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BOND POLLS 2016: The Top 10 JAMES BOND-007 Film Ranking Contest (Results: winner!, on page 60)

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  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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  • vzokvzok
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    Octopussy....Octopussy
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Well i expect TSWLM to be Moores highest rated, but I am surprised FYEO beat OP, after the new found love for the latter on here lately!
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    They just played 'All Time High' on the radio! Just as i was sending above sentence!
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    In defence of Mr Moore: I personally think OP is the best Moore flick after FYEO. Why?

    --> In essence I still think it's one of those rare Cold War spy thrillers. Checkpoint Charlie, East-Berlin, basement of the Hermitage, a US Airbase in Germany, the locations and settings are so lovely political. Which is quite rare in a Bond film (Apart from the recent Craig films and perhaps FRWL).

    --> I think OP really is the only Moore film in which I see Moore's Bond in a realistic and believable love relationship. The chemistry between Maud and Roger is entirely convincing. And it's perhaps the only Moore film in which you can see Moore's Bond getting romantically and intimately involved with a woman that appears to be more of his own age.

    --> The plot of jewelry smuggling is like a smoke screen for the bigger scheme of detonating an atomic bomb on a US airbase. I just love it!

    --> The stakes are incredibly high in this film. Ask yourself what would have happened if Bond didn't succeed in stopping the timer of that bomb. On top of that, that final 'chase bomb sequence' is entirely thrilling, and it reminds me of the 'chase bomb sequence' in the first half of CR.

    --> India is simply one of the most beautiful locations ever in a Bond film.

    --> Together with FYEO, I found Moore's portrayal actually very good in OP as well. The moment when he gets serious towards General Orlov is quite believable. On top of that, General Orlov's ranting "The West is decadent! And divided" is still very much a realistic credo of today's politics. Bravo!
  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
    edited October 2016 Posts: 4,151
    Oooh, the first one of my top 10 to go. I'll admit, I thought it may up higher as it seems to have a lot of love in the community. I currently have it at number 7. I certainly feel that it's a better movie thn FYEO.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Most interesting, most saddening.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Shark_0f_Largo wrote: »
    Oooh, the first one of my top 10 to go. I'll admit, I thought it may up higher as it seems to have a lot of love in the community. I currently have it at number 7. I certainly feel that it's a better movie thn FYEO.
    I have it at 8 currently, and it's been as high as 7. Great Bond film and a blast from start to finish in my view.

    The one I differ with the community the most on is SP. I can't even remember where I have it, but it's a few points away from the bottom. I'm not surprised it's doing better over here. We're still only one year after its release and so the thrill is probably alive and strong with those who found it palatable.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    I am surprised SP hasn't appeared yet, considering the bashing it gets around here! I still love it, and I havent watched in a while (Bank Holiday coming up, I may watch it then!). I've seen it at least a dozen times or more, and i still enjoy it! Am really curious now to see what position it finishes at! OP was top ten for me too, so disappointed to see its position here! Its getting quite tense now as the top ten approaches!
    If OHMSS or CR get number one spot I'll be more than happy!
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I am surprised SP hasn't appeared yet, considering the bashing it gets around here! I still love it, and I havent watched in a while (Bank Holiday coming up, I may watch it then!). I've seen it at least a dozen times or more, and i still enjoy it! Am really curious now to see what position it finishes at! OP was top ten for me too, so disappointed to see its position here! Its getting quite tense now as the top ten approaches!
    If OHMSS or CR get number one spot I'll be more than happy!

    Well, that's a very good remark (I highlighted it). I mean, it was always my general idea that the true 'SP-haters' are the most verbal forummembers and post the most about the 'flaws' of the film. Yet, it doesn't explain why it isn't mentioned in the Bottom 5. Even if some firmly believe it's Bottom 5 material, then you can't just explaining the ranking of SP because "the film is still fresh in people's mind". Then apparently, the film is really an 'above average' towards 'OK' film, and certainly not a 'grose pile of s##t' :-).
  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Shark_0f_Largo wrote: »
    Oooh, the first one of my top 10 to go. I'll admit, I thought it may up higher as it seems to have a lot of love in the community. I currently have it at number 7. I certainly feel that it's a better movie thn FYEO.
    I have it at 8 currently, and it's been as high as 7. Great Bond film and a blast from start to finish in my view.

    The one I differ with the community the most on is SP. I can't even remember where I have it, but it's a few points away from the bottom. I'm not surprised it's doing better over here. We're still only one year after its release and so the thrill is probably alive and strong with those who found it palatable.

    I actually have SP in my top ten. Initially it was top 5 I think but dropped to number 8.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    FYEO or SP next.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    SP was bound to do better under these scoring rules due to its polarizing nature (which the scoring mechanism benefits) and on account of it being freshest in people's minds (as the most recent entry).
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    bondjames wrote: »
    SP was bound to do better under these scoring rules due to its polarizing nature (which the scoring mechanism benefits)

    I will give you some proof tonight that your reasoning is rather flawed :-).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    SP was bound to do better under these scoring rules due to its polarizing nature (which the scoring mechanism benefits)

    I will give you some proof tonight that your reasoning is rather flawed :-).
    Why am I not surprised. Looking forward to your reasoning for these results.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I am surprised SP hasn't appeared yet, considering the bashing it gets around here! I still love it, and I havent watched in a while (Bank Holiday coming up, I may watch it then!). I've seen it at least a dozen times or more, and i still enjoy it! Am really curious now to see what position it finishes at! OP was top ten for me too, so disappointed to see its position here! Its getting quite tense now as the top ten approaches!
    If OHMSS or CR get number one spot I'll be more than happy!

    Well, that's a very good remark (I highlighted it). I mean, it was always my general idea that the true 'SP-haters' are the most verbal forummembers and post the most about the 'flaws' of the film. Yet, it doesn't explain why it isn't mentioned in the Bottom 5. Even if some firmly believe it's Bottom 5 material, then you can't just explaining the ranking of SP because "the film is still fresh in people's mind". Then apparently, the film is really an 'above average' towards 'OK' film, and certainly not a 'grose pile of s##t' :-).
    That's very interesting, @Gustav_Graves. Are the haters the most verbal? Could be...

    I´m a little surprised about how high the "unusual-Bond" QOS is. I guess it was an "initiatory" Bond for the younger forum members and has a lot of love around here...
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Well I wouldn't be one of the younger members.I've loved QoS since my second viewing! I understand what Gustav _Graves is saying re SP, i dont recall seeing it too much in peoples top ten, so am a little surprised its 'doing so well'! By the way, well done Gustav on your work on this poll! First class!
  • RossiRossi
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    Number eight and #9 of my TOP10 were sadly eliminated (that is, The Man with the Golden Gun and You Only Live Twice - the latter being the only Lewis Gilbert film that I adore, as I can't stand The Spy who Loved Me).

    On the other hand, It's awesome that both Timothy Dalton films are still not declassified. :D
  • vzokvzok
    edited October 2016 Posts: 4,044
    @Gustav

    When all the placings have been revealed, will it be possible to do some sort of a comparison with our league table here and the one that came from the Bond Rankings thread where everyone listed 1-24 of the Bond movies?
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    It does feel that a lot of the fans involved in ranking threads are Fleming purists or proponents of serious bond over campy bond, which would explain Dalton's two still alive, QoS higher than expected ranking, and FYEO being 2nd best Moore result. (Not criticising as TLD is ranked #2 or #3 for me, merely observing!)
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    edited October 2016 Posts: 3,336
    OP is my #17 so it was about time to go, but i still like it though.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Octopussy 11/23 (11/24)
    Sometimes rated 10 and then Tmwtgg is 11.
    For this game 9/10.

    Octopussy will possible a big source for next Bond movie or Bond 26.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    In response to @BondJames, I made a short comparison of this poll's 'TOP 10 Points System' and another 'TOP 26 Points System' and I applied it to the 2014 Eurovision Song Contest 100% Jury Results of the Grand Final:

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    As you can see, there are barely differences in the final ranking. And if there are ranking differences, then it still is the question what the 11th until 26th spot of Best Bond Films of every individual forummember would be. It could very well be that for instance TWINE will still gather a lot of points in the 11th-to-15th-spot-range. And LALD could suddenly stop getting points in that same field.

    There is a separate Bond movie ranking topic, but that poll keeps changing constantly and is by no means a 'poll set in a certain moment of time'. People can keep correcting/changing their rankings, which is part of the fun of that topic.

    Anyway, both topics have their charm hehe ;-).
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    @Gustav_Graves it's admirable the work you put into threads like this, where do you find the time?
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,119
    A short overview of the results so far:

    Start Countdown: The ruthless BOTTOM 5:
    #26 placed Bond Film, 000 points --> "CASINO ROYALE" (1967, non-EON film)
    #25 placed Bond Film, 006 points --> "NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN" (1983, non-EON film)
    #24 placed Bond Film, 025 points --> "DIE ANOTHER DAY" (2002)
    #23 placed Bond Film, 049 points --> "THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN" (1974)
    #22 placed Bond Film, 049 points --> "A VIEW TO A KILL" (1985)

    Start of TOP 21, the really average ones:
    #21 placed Bond Film, 060 points --> "DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER" (1971)
    #20 placed Bond Film, 080 points --> "TOMORROW NEVER DIES" (1997)
    #19 placed Bond Film, 095 points --> "MOONRAKER" (1979)
    #18 placed Bond Film, 109 points --> "YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE" (1967)
    #17 placed Bond Film, 135 points --> "THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH" (1999)
    #16 placed Bond Film, 146 points --> "LIVE AND LET DIE" (1973)[/color]

    Start of TOP 15, the OK ones:
    #15 placed Bond Film, 157 points --> "QUANTUM OF SOLACE" (2008)
    #14 placed Bond Film, 196 points --> "OCTOPUSSY (1983)
    #13 placed Bond Film --> October 19th, 09:00 PM GMT+1
    #12 placed Bond Film --> October 20th, 02:00 PM GMT+1
    #11 placed Bond Film --> October 20th, 09:00 PM GMT+1[/color]

    Start of TOP 10, the good ones:
    #10 placed Bond Film --> October 21st, 02:00 PM GMT+1
    #09 placed Bond Film --> October 21st, 09:00 PM GMT+1
    #08 placed Bond Film --> October 22nd, 02:00 PM GMT+1
    #07 placed Bond Film --> October 22nd, 09:00 PM GMT+1
    #06 placed Bond Film --> October 23rd, 02:00 PM GMT+1

    Start of TOP 5 & winner reveal, the masterpieces:
    #05 placed Bond Film --> October 23rd, 09:00 PM GMT+1
    #04 placed Bond Film --> October 24th, 02:00 PM GMT+1
    #03 placed Bond Film, BRONZE --> October 24th, 09:00 PM GMT+1
    #02 placed Bond Film, SILVER --> October 25th, 09:00 PM GMT+1
    #01 placed Bond Film, GOLD --> October 25th, 09:00 PM GMT+1


    Amyway, here's the 13th placed film. Sorry for the slight delay guys & gals ;-):
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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    ohhh....Roger Moore really gets a beating here. I'm shocked.
  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
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    Ouch, another low rating for another Moore Bond movie. FYEO seemed to have had a lot of love on here at one point, which seems to have dwindled slightly.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Shark_0f_Largo wrote: »
    Ouch, another low rating for another Moore Bond movie. FYEO seemed to have had a lot of love on here at one point, which seems to have dwindled slightly.

    But....13th place to me is a rather good placing no? Considering the 12 other movies that are still in the running.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2016 Posts: 23,883
    As others have noted, I still think OP, FYEO & LALD aren't in a lot of voter's top 10 lists (I see them just outside for many, including myself).

    If one is only allotting points to a voter 'top 10' and then skewing the result with the ranking score from 12 (for #1 placed film) downwards to 1 (for #10 placed film), then it will necessarily negatively impact those films just sitting outside people's top ten, which would have placed better had the sample included a ranking of all 24 (or 26) films, with a score allocated to all films. It will also benefit polarizing films, by counting them when they are considered top 10 by some voters but ignoring when they are not by other voters.

    So it skews two ways. Firstly by allotting a higher score to higher placed films and secondly by not including a sample size which incorporates all the films as choices.

    Once this is all said and done, I'd be interested in comparing with the top 10 from the Bond movie ranking thread list, which includes all the films.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited October 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Sorry to say, but 6 out of 7 movies didn't make the upper half of the ranking.
    That's an undeserved blow to Rog.
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