BOND POLLS 2016: The Top 10 JAMES BOND-007 Film Ranking Contest (Results: winner!, on page 60)

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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I love Roger, but I genuinely never cared for FYEO. I'll be surprised if SP doesn't show up next.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    SP is due I guess, especially when I see that the more fun films already all have gone.
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    I guessed it would be OP, FYEO and then SP. Looks that way now.

    Harder to predict after that.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    As others have noted, I still think OP, FYEO & LALD aren't in a lot of voter's top 10 lists (I see them just outside for many, including myself).

    If one is only allotting points to a voter 'top 10' and then skewing the result with the ranking score from 12 (for #1 placed film) downwards to 1 (for #10 placed film), then it will necessarily negatively impact those films just sitting outside people's top ten, which would have placed better had the sample included a ranking of all 24 (or 26) films, with a score allocated to all films. It will also benefit polarizing films, by counting them when they are considered top 10 by some voters but ignoring when they are not by other voters.

    So it skews two ways. Firstly by allotting a higher score to higher placed films and secondly by not including a sample size which incorporates all the films as choices.

    Once this is all said and done, I'd be interested in comparing with the top 10 from the Bond movie ranking thread list, which includes all the films.

    I am also curious now. Although I do think your reasoning has more influence on the outcome of the -roughly- 20th to 13th placed films. Those films that are more or less in the middle.

    Another thing, this poll forces people to come up with a TOP 10. It's for many people more difficult yes, but by doing so you're perhaps focused on the qualities of each film instead of sheer favouritism.

    It's also easier to continuously adjusting an entire TOP 26, since most of them are made by die-hard fans. Whereas in here also a fair amount of new forummembers have voted.

    By the way @BondJames? Why didn't you vote for 'fun' in this poll ;-)?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2016 Posts: 23,883
    By the way @BondJames? Why didn't you vote for 'fun' in this poll ;-)?
    What do you mean? I'm having fun, but don't want folks to misunderstand the potential impact of the ranking methodology on the results, especially since we are all fans of different films here.

    Moreover, isn't this the thread where we had parents and cousins voting as well? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for that, but I'd also be interested in a reduction of the results down to the core posters who have been here posting for the past few months as that would perhaps be a more representative sample.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    By the way @BondJames? Why didn't you vote for 'fun' in this poll ;-)?
    What do you mean? I'm having fun, but don't want folks to misunderstand the potential impact of the ranking methodology on the results, especially since we are all fans of different films here.

    Moreover, isn't this the thread where we had parents and cousins voting as well? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for that, but I'd also be interested in a reduction of the results down to the core posters who have been here posting for the past few months as that would perhaps be a more representative sample.

    I just thought maybe you wanted to vote in the poll as well :-).

    *EDIT*: You did vote! Sorry @BondJames hehe.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    By the way @BondJames? Why didn't you vote for 'fun' in this poll ;-)?
    What do you mean? I'm having fun, but don't want folks to misunderstand the potential impact of the ranking methodology on the results, especially since we are all fans of different films here.

    Moreover, isn't this the thread where we had parents and cousins voting as well? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for that, but I'd also be interested in a reduction of the results down to the core posters who have been here posting for the past few months as that would perhaps be a more representative sample.

    I just thought maybe you wanted to vote in the poll as well :-).
    I did vote. Am I not in your results? I thought I saw me.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    bondjames wrote: »
    By the way @BondJames? Why didn't you vote for 'fun' in this poll ;-)?
    What do you mean? I'm having fun, but don't want folks to misunderstand the potential impact of the ranking methodology on the results, especially since we are all fans of different films here.

    Moreover, isn't this the thread where we had parents and cousins voting as well? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for that, but I'd also be interested in a reduction of the results down to the core posters who have been here posting for the past few months as that would perhaps be a more representative sample.

    A good point, I don't recognise many of the names in the statistics. One time posters it seems, which is a bit suspicious.
    It should have been limited to members of the forum, maybe even only regular members, but that would have been hard to see through.

    As Gert is showing us the complete excel you can do the maths omitting those you think shouldn't have been counted :)
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    It does feel that a lot of the fans involved in ranking threads are Fleming purists or proponents of serious bond over campy bond, which would explain Dalton's two still alive, QoS higher than expected ranking, and FYEO being 2nd best Moore result. (Not criticising as TLD is ranked #2 or #3 for me, merely observing!)

    Totally agree with this.

    TSWLM will be the highest 'campy' bond? If it wasn't for GE Brosnan wouldn't be anywhere near even the top half of Bond films on this measure!
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    By the way @BondJames? Why didn't you vote for 'fun' in this poll ;-)?
    What do you mean? I'm having fun, but don't want folks to misunderstand the potential impact of the ranking methodology on the results, especially since we are all fans of different films here.

    Moreover, isn't this the thread where we had parents and cousins voting as well? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for that, but I'd also be interested in a reduction of the results down to the core posters who have been here posting for the past few months as that would perhaps be a more representative sample.

    A good point, I don't recognise many of the names in the statistics. One time posters it seems, which is a bit suspicious.
    It should have been limited to members of the forum, maybe even only regular members, but that would have been hard to see through.

    As Gert is showing us the complete excel you can do the maths omitting those you think shouldn't have been counted :)

    Everyone has different goals with topics like these. Mine was to see what happens if a lot of unique people vote in a poll like this. And getting 120 unique voters to vote in here is quite a daunting task I might say. Not to mention the fact that most of them are already fainting by the prospect of posting a 'huge' TOP 10 instead of just one's best/favourite Bond film.

    The big majority of them are more frequent posters. And in all honesty, I think it's a good thing that perhaps because of this topic some new people are drawn to this forums as well no? Or are we really that adament to turn it into a Skulls & Bones Club :-).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Nobody wants a Skulls and Bones. It's just that when we have a ranking mechanism that produces a 'skew' due to the top ten feature and also the scoring methodology, then one would like it to be representative of the views we see expressed here by regular members.

    New members are of course welcome, but if they rank a particular film high, then it will of course impact the results in unpredictable ways.

    Anyway, I apologize for mentioning this. You have done a great job compiling everything and should be congratulated. Well done.
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    Thanks @BondJames. Maybe you can organize a new poll one of these days, and then for TOP 26 rankings. You seem a perfectionist as well :-).
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    If nothing else @Gustav_Graves - this has been the most suspenseful thread. And also all the chat make it a popular one. Anything that fires up the populace is generally good! Congrats on making it intriguing with the results - although I think these middle films are the ones where the surprises have been.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    I keep getting surprised by SP's remainder in the game given the large contingent of detractors for this film. The supporters are strong with this one! Completely agree with @Major_Boothroyd, congrats again @Gustav_Graves for creating a suspenseful game. Experiments like this are what helps us get through these long gaps between new Bond films!

    My updated next 5 prediction:

    12.) SP
    11.) LTK
    10.) GE
    9.) TLD
    8.) SF
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @MooseWithFleas

    I could live very well with that prediction coming true. I'm just afraid SF will end up much higher and DN will be outside the Top 10.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Too many purists for that to happen IMO @BondJasonBond006, I think DN finishes at your username number :)
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    what makes someone a core member?
    I don't know much about others, but I read everything here, I just don't write much because English is not my first language and my writing skills are pretty much limited. :D
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2016 Posts: 23,883
    @Rossi, your English is just fine to me. I don't think there's anything such as a core member, since some like you don't post much but have been members for a long time and are just as important to the team.

    However, if someone joins just for the sake of voting in the poll, then perhaps there is a slight weighting impact.

    Regardless, with 100+ votes in the tally, perhaps it is fairly representative of opinions around here. The only way to know for sure is to benchmark the results against the other thread (Bond Ranking).
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    Had hoped for a top 10 spot for FYEO.
    Suprised SP is still in the game.
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    Thank you, @bondjames. I still have much to improve.
    I assure you, my Portuguese is way better :D
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    Perhaps SP being recent and fresh in the memory that has contributed to its higher position. I take SP for what it is though it would be around 15 - 20 in my rankings (nearer 20).
  • OP out already? Terrible.
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    Rossi wrote: »
    Thank you, @bondjames. I still have much to improve.
    I assure you, my Portuguese is way better :D

    You too are very welcome here @Rossi :-). And that goes for many other forummembers who merely read the topics intensively and do not wish to post a lot. Hopefully, posting your TOP 10 in here lowers the threshold for you to post more often. And don't worry about your English ;-).
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    OP out already? Terrible.

    A scandal actually.
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    OP out already? Terrible.

    A scandal actually.

    Come onnn, why using such grotesque words :-)?

    Still in the running are 12 other good to magnificent Bond films. In alphabetical order:

    --> "Casino Royale"
    --> "Doctor No"
    --> "From Russia With Love"
    --> "GoldenEye"
    --> "Goldfinger"
    --> "Licence To Kill"
    --> "On Her Majesty's Secret Service"
    --> "Skyfall"
    --> "SPECTRE"
    --> "The Living Daylights"
    --> "The Spy Who Loved Me"
    --> "Thunderball"

    Regarding "Octopussy", I know as of recent the film gets some positive reviews again on the MI6-forums. But I think in general, outside this forum, regardless what I think of it, the movie isn't remembered well or reviewed positively. So in that light, a 14th place is a jolly good placing for OP. Even better than LALD:
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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I refuse to accept the outcome of this election, it's obviously rigged by Dalton and Lazenby fans :P
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    About the topic of new members voting: I, for example, am reading here for a long time but just started posting maybe a few weeks ago. I doubt it's many people who just join a forum to post in a poll about 007 and not get involved otherwise, or ?! I would assume more read-only guests (as I've been for at least a year) placed their vote.

    About SP: I do understand why many people rank it so high - because there are many really great elements in it. But for me the last third (combined with the awful title song and sequence) just kills the movie with all it's great stuff ... for me - resulting in a low(er) rating than other films. But I think that's the thing - many don't think that stuff (which they mostly address themselves) is so overwhelmingly bad (like I rate it) but consider it rather as little flaws at max. So I kinda understand why SP is still in the game.

    I would like to compare it to TB: It's ranking at #2 for me, yet I read a lot of opinions of this movie which rank it quite low due to things that don't drag the movie at all for me but for them. I think people ranking TB low and finding it a drag or flawed are seeing it like I see SP where the flaws overshadow the rest.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited October 2016 Posts: 28,694
    TB is DN on steroids. How one can't like that, I'll have no idea. When others start going to sleep as Bond and the agents battle underwater with Largo's boys, my heart pumps as I see an amazing battle unfold with Bond and his colleagues giving their all in a moment of cinematic artistry.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    TB is DN on steroids. How one can't like that, I'll have no idea. When others start going to sleep as Bond and the agents battle underwater with Largo's boys, my heart pumps as I see an amazing battle unfold with Bond and his colleagues giving their all in a moment of cinematic artistry.
    Well said and totally agree
  • Posts: 11,119
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    About the topic of new members voting: I, for example, am reading here for a long time but just started posting maybe a few weeks ago. I doubt it's many people who just join a forum to post in a poll about 007 and not get involved otherwise, or ?! I would assume more read-only guests (as I've been for at least a year) placed their vote.

    Perhaps. But at least this topic triggers people to actually post more often? I mean, it's good to know that there are people out here who suddenly become more vocal in this particular topic :-).
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