BOND POLLS 2016: The Top 10 JAMES BOND-007 Film Ranking Contest (Results: winner!, on page 60)

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  • Posts: 6,432
    It's been a fun poll maybe there should be a similar poll for the title tracks...
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Its just casino and majestys to duke out for the top this will be fun
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    The two films where Bond faces the greatest heartbreaks with the two women who meant the most to him. It's fitting that they're at the top, in a way. Tracy and Vesper embarrass all the rest.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    It's been a fun poll maybe there should be a similar poll for the title tracks...

    @fire and ice yeah like a music edition like score and theme song and cues listings for bond
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It'd be cool to do a Bond actor version where we ranking from 1 to 6 our favorite 007s, with the points are awarded thusly:

    #1 Bond actor- 12 points
    #2 Bond actor- 10 points
    #3 Bond actor- 8 points
    #4 Bond actor- 6 points
    #5 Bond actor- 4 points
    #6 Bond actor- 2 points
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    It'd be cool to do a Bond actor version where we ranking from 1 to 6 our favorite 007s, with the points are awarded thusly:

    #1 Bond actor- 12 points
    #2 Bond actor- 10 points
    #3 Bond actor- 8 points
    #4 Bond actor- 6 points
    #5 Bond actor- 4 points
    #6 Bond actor- 2 points

    It would be interesting but the results wouldn't be too hard to guess.

    Me? I like all of them and can't rank them

  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
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    So, Connery not at the top, which, even though he's not the top of my ranking, surprises me. That's the beauty of this poll. However, top 3 for FRWL is not to be sniffed at. A great movie.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    Interesting that FRWL is not second, or first. It rarely gets any significant criticisms. It could be that FRWL is a timeless classic that is best viewed sparingly, much like drinking an expensive wine, whereas OHMSS is still expensive but has a bigger scope (in terms of the action, cinematography, score, etc)

    I also notice FRWL is one of the least viewed films this year so voters may have a recency bias towards OHMSS (but I also notice CR doesn't have as many views either)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    All the best Bond films for me are ones I don't watch endlessly. I savor every watch I give them and don't overdo it.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    bondjames wrote: »
    To not have King Connery on top of a Bond film poll on a Bond fan site is a little disconcerting, but times are changing it would seem.

    To have a bodybuilding bouncer, who is established pretty much as an anti-Bond, at the top spot is equally disconcerting.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Anti-Bond. How very amusing.
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    Looks like my hunch is coming through! 1)OHMSS 2) CR 3) FRWL. I do hope if OHMSS does get top spot (And I think it deserves it!) that there isn't going to be a backlash against it! For those who claim SF is universally liked by everyone, I think that mantle belongs to CR! I know people who weren't fans of a Bond movie, yet went to CR, and loved it!
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited October 2016 Posts: 13,978
    Considering how EON went out of their way to make the rebooted Bond different, removing too many of the elements that make up a Bond film, anti-Bond is very fitting.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Considering how EON went out of their way to make the rebooted Bond different, removing too many of the elements that make up a Bond film, anti-Bond is very apt.

    Everything that is great about early Bond (DN, FRWL) is in CR or the Craig era as a whole. If anti-Bond means dispensing with tension killing one-liners, over the top and overly-convenient gadgets and all the other ways the series grew to be a self parody, then I'm happy Craig's era is "anti-Bond." The Bond franchise I love is the way it was in DN and FRWL before camp took over and robbed the character of identity. Now we're finally getting back to Bond as he should be in modernity.

    I should think you'd enjoy some of Craig's Bond, Major, considering the films are like the Dalton era sans the bad one-liners that sink the tone, but with an upgrade in the filmmaking department, especially in regards to cinematography and casts.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Major, like yesterday when a couple of posters were throwing mud at BB, seemingly with no facts, but loaded with a lot of hostility, I am interested to know how EoN went out of their way to remove too many classic 007 elements in CR?

    As @OBrady has, again, so eloquently stated, if one liners and timely gadgets are your thing, fine, but, since you seem to be a fan of a more stripped down, more Fleming 007, I find your comment rather curious.

    As I life long fan (I'm 43 years young), whose father gave him a healthy education in Connery and Fleming, I was blown away by CR and returned to watch it in the theatre five times (something I had not done for a Bond film since TLD).
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited October 2016 Posts: 13,978
    Everything that is great about early Bond (DN, FRWL) is in CR or the Craig era as a whole. If anti-Bond means dispensing with tension killing one-liners, over the top and overly-convenient gadgets and all the other ways the series grew to be a self parody, then I'm happy Craig's era is "anti-Bond." The Bond franchise I love is the way it was in DN and FRWL before camp took over and robbed the character of identity. Now we're finally getting back to Bond as he should be in modernity.

    With all respect, I would disagree. There is a world of difference between the likes of FRWL and the Craig era, certainly up to SF. The former was a spy thriller with class. Featuring a Bond who could be trusted to just get on with his job. No trust issues, no overwrought drama. The films were content with being spy thrillers. The later has a Bond whose depiction is all over the map. The films themselves, come off as if EON are too embarrassed to make James Bond films. The reason for not putting the full gunbarrel at the beginning of each film, doesn't make sense. Each f the four films could have the gunbarrel, and still open up on each first shot.

    As for robbing the identity, CR and QOS did that far worse than any previous films. Especially when not just the tone, but Bond himself, feels more like Jason Bourne than James Bond.
    I should think you'd enjoy some of Craig's Bond, Major, considering the films are like the Dalton era sans the bad one-liners that sink the tone, but with an upgrade in the filmmaking department, especially in regards to cinematography and casts.

    Even with it's faults, I enjoyed Spectre (that is the first time I have genuinely felt that Craig is playing James Bond*). But I don't want Craig, or the next actor, to be like Dalton, because, for better or worse, there won't be another Timothy Dalton.

    Oh, and I think the Craig era is no slouch when it comes to bad one-liners. What was it that Bond said in CR "Yes, considerably." Though, i'll admit that "that last, nearly killed me" was a good one. I don't think that there were any bad one-liners in the Dalton era, because they cut the quota of them. I don't like the winking fish at the end of LTK, though, but that is only a few seconds, and it's at the end.

    *The first time I saw SP, I realised that I was grinning to myself like a loon, when Bond climbs out onto the balcony, with the Bond theme playing. Yes, this was what I wanted back in 2006.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited October 2016 Posts: 2,252
    Considering how EON went out of their way to make the rebooted Bond different, removing too many of the elements that make up a Bond film, anti-Bond is very apt.

    Everything that is great about early Bond (DN, FRWL) is in CR or the Craig era as a whole. If anti-Bond means dispensing with tension killing one-liners, over the top and overly-convenient gadgets and all the other ways the series grew to be a self parody, then I'm happy Craig's era is "anti-Bond." The Bond franchise I love is the way it was in DN and FRWL before camp took over and robbed the character of identity. Now we're finally getting back to Bond as he should be in modernity.

    I should think you'd enjoy some of Craig's Bond, Major, considering the films are like the Dalton era sans the bad one-liners that sink the tone, but with an upgrade in the filmmaking department, especially in regards to cinematography and casts.

    There's a lot of things I don't like about the Craig era. But what it does right, it does so masterfully.

  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    I don't think that there were any bad one-liners in the Dalton era, because they cut the quota of them.

    Not bad[/u], just severely misplaced. Lines suited for Moore rather than Dalton ("Salt Corrosion" - a good line, just not suiting Dalton)

  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited October 2016 Posts: 2,252
    I don't think that there were any bad one-liners in the Dalton era, because they cut the quota of them.

    Not bad, just severely misplaced. Lines suited for Moore rather than Dalton ("Salt Corrosion" - a good line, just not suiting Dalton)

  • Posts: 19,339
    Ow...just seen this..FRWL in 3rd place ?!

    Gutted...i do love the 3 remaining films but i thought OHMSS would be 3rd...FRWL was my 10 pointer...so i have my 8 and 12 pointers left then...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited October 2016 Posts: 28,694
    The one-liners are best, when they have to be there, as dry responses from Bond that feel like black comedy. Connery's films nailed this before the deliveries grew into real groaners as the series went past its spy thriller roots.

    The Craig era, when it has the one-liners, are played dryly, which sells them better, especially since they are often laced with black comedy as in the likes of DN and FRWL, but even sparser in number, so that no tension is killed. There are moments where too much Moore styled one-liners pop in, like the SF casino scene, but thankfully they are small and quickly passed over and extremely minor in the grand scheme of the series. SP was a return to the CR and QoS black comedy, after I think Mendes and Craig saw in SF that the more groan inducing one-liners just didn't play.


    Besides this, my defense of Craig's era is firm. I don't agree with everything that's been done, but on the wide whole I adore them and what they have been willing to explore with Bond. He no longer feels like a boring superhero, and the films aren't like watching video games, which the Brosnan era morphed into over time for me, or the too-jokey Moore era.

    Craig's era has great instances of Fleming in him as well as the best of cinematic Bond before all the camp set in, the man we see in DN and FRWL that is a straight up animalistic predator. A call back to Connery, long overdue.
  • Posts: 11,119
    The one-liners are best, when they have to be there, as dry responses from Bond that feel like black comedy. Connery's films nailed this before the deliveries grew into real groaners as the series went past its spy thriller roots.

    The Craig era, when it has the one-liners, are played dryly, which sells them better, especially since they are often laced with black comedy as in the likes of DN and FRWL, but even sparser in number, so that no tension is killed. There are moments where too much Moore styled one-liners pop in, like the SF casino scene, but thankfully they are small and quickly passed over and extremely minor in the grand scheme of the series. SP was a return to the CR and QoS black comedy, after I think Mendes and Craig saw in SF that the more groan inducing one-liners just didn't play.


    Besides this, my defense of Craig's era is firm. I don't agree with everything that's been done, but on the wide whole I adore them and what they have been willing to explore with Bond. He no longer feels like a boring superhero, and the films aren't like watching video games, which the Brosnan era morphed into over time for me, or the too-jokey Moore era.

    Craig's era has great instances of Fleming in him as well as the best of cinematic Bond before all the camp set in, the man we see in DN and FRWL that is a straight up animalistic predator. A call back to Connery, long overdue.

    =D>
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    The term anti-Bond might at first seem a bit harsh, but it is very fitting.

    Let's be honest here, Craig wouldn't have stood a chance if CR hadn't been the movie it is.
    Craig is the weak link in the film, he only gets elevated thanks to a brilliant ensemble cast, that quite frankly, is playing him to the wall in most scenes.

    He got lucky, I said this long ago and I still believe it's true. It took four! movies to make him a proper cinematic Bond that finally resembles the way Brosnan, Dalton, Moore, Lazenby and Connery portrait the character.
  • Posts: 11,119
    The term anti-Bond might at first seem a bit harsh, but it is very fitting.

    Let's be honest here, Craig wouldn't have stood a chance if CR hadn't been the movie it is.
    Craig is the weak link in the film, he only gets elevated thanks to a brilliant ensemble cast, that quite frankly, is playing him to the wall in most scenes.

    He got lucky, I said this long ago and I still believe it's true. It took four! movies to make him a proper cinematic Bond that finally resembles the way Brosnan, Dalton, Moore, Lazenby and Connery portrait the character.

    You blatantly imply a lot. Saying that Craig is the weakest link in CR is one of the most absurd reactions I've heard from you.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @MajorDSmythe

    In SP Craig does for the first time play Bond.

    I had the same reaction as you seeing SP at the cinema.
    After the PTS I was so pumped, like I have never been since GoldenEye.

    I was lucky to experience the Swiss Premier of Spectre. The reaction of the audience spoke volumes.
    The overall verdict was clear. Finally we have another proper Bond movie. Craig finally resembles the cinematic character that was missing since Brosnan stopped being Bond.

    One of the reasons that SPECTRE immediately jumped to the top of my ranking might be that the last three Bond movies barely resembled Bond at all.
    While CR is one of the great films, it failed to do the ultimate trick to become the best ever by incorporating the illogical "Bond begins" crap.
    QOS back then was hardly seen as a Bond movie at all.
    SF was the perfect storm. In that year anything would have been a success.

    At last Bond is back 100% in 2015, and I can only hope we will get another one in 2018.
  • Posts: 19,339
    The term anti-Bond might at first seem a bit harsh, but it is very fitting.

    Let's be honest here, Craig wouldn't have stood a chance if CR hadn't been the movie it is.
    Craig is the weak link in the film, he only gets elevated thanks to a brilliant ensemble cast, that quite frankly, is playing him to the wall in most scenes.

    He got lucky, I said this long ago and I still believe it's true. It took four! movies to make him a proper cinematic Bond that finally resembles the way Brosnan, Dalton, Moore, Lazenby and Connery portrait the character.

    Woah Jason,i like you buddy,but to state that DC was the weak link in CR is madness....he was perfect in that film..they were made for eachother.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited October 2016 Posts: 9,020
    @barryt007

    ;)

    I like you too, a lot, even if you find TLD so meh, in fact it's part of your charm :D

    I never warmed up to Craig until Spectre, it's no secret. He still is my No 5 actor overall, and poor Laz only is 6th because one movie is not enough to judge him properly.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    The term anti-Bond might at first seem a bit harsh, but it is very fitting.

    Let's be honest here, Craig wouldn't have stood a chance if CR hadn't been the movie it is.
    Craig is the weak link in the film, he only gets elevated thanks to a brilliant ensemble cast, that quite frankly, is playing him to the wall in most scenes.

    He got lucky, I said this long ago and I still believe it's true. It took four! movies to make him a proper cinematic Bond that finally resembles the way Brosnan, Dalton, Moore, Lazenby and Connery portrait the character.

    Sorry to rain on your parade but that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this site.

    So it's all down to the supporting cast that Craig gives such an assured and game changing performance as Bond? Do me a favour.

    In actual fact not only was his performance in CS outstanding, in my opinion he gave an even better one in QoS.

    Craig is a very good actor as we've seen in so many other performances in film and TV and his 007 replacement will have to really step up to the plate if they're to be as successful as Craig.

    'Luck' has nothing to do with it.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    It's just my opinion.
    And it's as ridiculous as saying Craig gave a game changing performance.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I would say the majority of film goers in '06 thought the same: DC was a game changer in the role.

    It's your opinion, @BondJason, and, as frustrating as it is to hear it, must be respected.

    I was in the camp that thought it was such a piece of fine acting, he should have been nominated for an Oscar that year (the BAFTA's did reward him such a nomination). My opinion was that he so radically made a character we all thought we knew, and made it that much more layered, nuanced, three dimensional, that he changed the game.

    And yes, I'm also of the belief that the next 007 actor better grow some big balls and swing for the fences. He's going to need it to make us forget about what Craig has done in, and for, the role.
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