BOND POLLS 2016: The Top 10 JAMES BOND-007 Film Ranking Contest (Results: winner!, on page 60)

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  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Looking at the top voted films, I think it shows that if you stick with Fleming you can't go far wrong.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited October 2016 Posts: 28,694
    It's also no mistake that so many of the top 10 are included amongst the best of Bond in relation to casts, artistry of the crew members and the impact of the films on the world of cinema and pop culture.

    Casino Royale, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, From Russia with Love and Dr. No are as perfect as Bond films can get in every way, Goldfinger paved the way for Bondmania and changed cinema culture forever, Thunderball is the first proper blockbuster Bond, The Spy Who Loved Me has some of the most amazing location shooting in any film I've seen period, The Living Daylights is a hardcore Cold War spy film that released just as that period in history was near its demise, and Skyfall and Goldeneye are often represented as some of the best modern Bonds in relation to their casts, the former becoming a great cultural film that celebrates Bond and his "Britishness" in his 50th year, while the latter jump-started the series after it went comatose.

    All viable movies, and all crucial parts of Bond's development over the course of the franchise's history. They each deserve their places in the top 10, and while there's great films amongst the remaining 14, the group we have in the high echelon are there because they are more crucial than the others for why Bond is still around, and why he changed cinema history forever.
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    @MajorDSmythe

    In SP Craig does for the first time play Bond.

    I had the same reaction as you seeing SP at the cinema.
    After the PTS I was so pumped, like I have never been since GoldenEye.

    I was lucky to experience the Swiss Premier of Spectre. The reaction of the audience spoke volumes.
    The overall verdict was clear. Finally we have another proper Bond movie. Craig finally resembles the cinematic character that was missing since Brosnan stopped being Bond.

    One of the reasons that SPECTRE immediately jumped to the top of my ranking might be that the last three Bond movies barely resembled Bond at all.
    While CR is one of the great films, it failed to do the ultimate trick to become the best ever by incorporating the illogical "Bond begins" crap.
    QOS back then was hardly seen as a Bond movie at all.
    SF was the perfect storm. In that year anything would have been a success.

    At last Bond is back 100% in 2015, and I can only hope we will get another one in 2018.

    Agree with everything you said here, especially the fact that Craig really played Bond for the first time in SP, definitely an updated and more serious interpretation, but still, for the first time, truly Bond.

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    @barryt007

    ;)

    I like you too, a lot, even if you find TLD so meh, in fact it's part of your charm :D

    I never warmed up to Craig until Spectre, it's no secret. He still is my No 5 actor overall, and poor Laz only is 6th because one movie is not enough to judge him properly.

    wow, i'm realizing we have a lot in common when it comes to Bond, I also rank Craig & Lazenby the same as you...

    1. Connery
    2. Dalton
    3. Brosnan
    4. Moore
    5. Craig
    6. Lazenby

    I should say though, that I also consider Craig to be the best actor to play Bond. I like him just fine as an actor, considering him a great actor. I just find him terribly miscast as Bond. I know that I hold a minority opinion.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @gklein, what does it mean for an actor to be "truly Bond" in your eyes?
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    @gklein, what does it mean for an actor to be "truly Bond" in your eyes?

    And how was SP a 'More serious interpretation' than CR ?

    Some of these Craig criticisms are quite laughable.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @gklein, what does it mean for an actor to be "truly Bond" in your eyes?

    And how was SP a 'More serious interpretation' than CR ?

    Some of these Craig criticisms are quite laughable.

    Then laugh and move on.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,016
    @gklein, what does it mean for an actor to be "truly Bond" in your eyes?

    And how was SP a 'More serious interpretation' than CR ?

    Some of these Craig criticisms are quite laughable.

    Then laugh and move on.

    I'm waiting for an answer to my question.

    If someone makes such an absurd comment at least back it up with an explanation
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    @gklein, what does it mean for an actor to be "truly Bond" in your eyes?

    In my eyes it means that he's smooth, confident, assured of himself, full of panache and not agonizing over personal demons.

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    In the end, a majority of 120 people spoke....and ranked all 26 Bond films from worst to best. Deal with it :-P. It shows that one's opinion becomes so......small and tiny when it's mixed with 119 other 'opinions'. One guy loves SF, the other girl loves DAD. But on the whole, one's love for DAD is obviously a huge outlier compared to one's love for SF :-).
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Good job!
  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
    edited October 2016 Posts: 4,151
    w2bond wrote: »
    I think I expected that, but have to say that is great to see OHMSS ranked so highly. I had an inkling the CR would finish top, as it seems to be more faithful to Fleming, however, I will have to take peoples words for that as I, rather ashamedly, haven't read much of the source material. So, congrats to CR but, also to all movies finishing as high as they did.
    w2bond wrote: »
    I'll add my own observations
    - Goldfinger is by far the most popular with the general public and critics (non Bond fans)
    - OHMSS, TLD and OP are viewed less favorably by the general public

    I completely agree with this. However, I will say that my 12 year old daughters favourite movie (and it's been like this since she was 10) is OHMSS. She has great taste does my daughter ;;) . But, yes, I completely agree with your comment.

    Inherited from her father no doubt :)


    Of course ;)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Just watched TND/DAD yesterday night.

    I will never understand why DAD is that hated. It's really just those ridiculous 12 seconds of CGI that has everyone's mind spinning.

    The first 70 minutes are simply stunning and near perfect. Brosnan is spectacular.
    The score is spectacular. So is the cinematography and the directing is far from the worst in the series, except the very few slo-mo second long moments.

    I can see though, that many will find the Ice Palace too fake looking and that the final fight in the plane seems to fall flat.

    As for TND, this will go up in the rankings once it escapes the difficult 10 to 20 year old spot. In another 10 years it will probably rank somewhere in the middle near Spectre and such fun pictures.

    Also Brosnan in general will be viewed much better in general (in the fan forums) once Craig is in the role of the predecessor.
    Out there, Brosnan is loved, always was, always will be. That's what I experience wherever I go and talk about Bond.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    The first half is great only to be ruined by the likes of the gene therapy bullcrap and Icarus, but the rest is good.
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    Just watched TND/DAD yesterday night.

    I will never understand why DAD is that hated. It's really just those ridiculous 12 seconds of CGI that has everyone's mind spinning.

    The first 70 minutes are simply stunning and near perfect. Brosnan is spectacular.
    The score is spectacular. So is the cinematography and the directing is far from the worst in the series, except the very few slo-mo second long moments.

    I can see though, that many will find the Ice Palace too fake looking and that the final fight in the plane seems to fall flat.

    As for TND, this will go up in the rankings once it escapes the difficult 10 to 20 year old spot. In another 10 years it will probably rank somewhere in the middle near Spectre and such fun pictures.

    Also Brosnan in general will be viewed much better in general (in the fan forums) once Craig is in the role of the predecessor.
    Out there, Brosnan is loved, always was, always will be. That's what I experience wherever I go and talk about Bond.

    You assume a lot :-)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Yes the gene therapy is the most idiotic plot item until Silva's hate for Bond's mother that is.

    It doesn't ruin the movie though. Icarus also is quite Bondian I'd say, but it has been there one too many so it falls flat.

    The end-fight in the plane is too similar to the stealth boat end-game, so it falls flat.

    But the rest (approx. 90% of the movie) is a joyride, pure fun with Brosnan celebrating his Bond.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Just watched TND/DAD yesterday night.

    I will never understand why DAD is that hated. It's really just those ridiculous 12 seconds of CGI that has everyone's mind spinning.

    The first 70 minutes are simply stunning and near perfect. Brosnan is spectacular.
    The score is spectacular. So is the cinematography and the directing is far from the worst in the series, except the very few slo-mo second long moments.

    I can see though, that many will find the Ice Palace too fake looking and that the final fight in the plane seems to fall flat.

    As for TND, this will go up in the rankings once it escapes the difficult 10 to 20 year old spot. In another 10 years it will probably rank somewhere in the middle near Spectre and such fun pictures.

    Also Brosnan in general will be viewed much better in general (in the fan forums) once Craig is in the role of the predecessor.
    Out there, Brosnan is loved, always was, always will be. That's what I experience wherever I go and talk about Bond.

    Since I saw it on opening day back in 1997, I have always enjoyed TND. It's great to look at, and is pure fun. DAD, the first half of the film is very good (other than the title track and Madonna cameo. The abandoned station for abandoned agents and the sleeper agent scenes are the highlights. The second half of the film descends into Bond for the MTV crowd.

    As for the results of the poll, a grudging congratulations to CR, it won over classics like FRWL, OHMSS & TLD (films that actually feel like Bond films).
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Time to congratulate @Gustav_Graves! Great thread and great fun =D>

    Amazing work with the statistics ^:)^
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    edited October 2016 Posts: 3,369
    I concur, bravo @Gustav_Graves! A lot of fun and miss the day to day tension already!
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    DAD is a fun comedy I enjoy it alot more than the dour TWINE

    CR is a worthy winner =D>
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited November 2016 Posts: 732
    Absolutely another "Thank you" to GG for the great work on the poll and it's statistics! It was great suspense and discussions around it - the slow reveal was a great thing!

    On DAD: I like the first half a lot - and I totally hate the second. But there is always at least one aspect I appreciate in any Bond movie - with the exception of CR'67 which I can't watch at all.
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    So DAD just has bad cgi? I beg to differ. Another tedious Vic Armstrong opening chase, lousy theme song, Bond in silly long hair and beard get up, Brossas bad acting trying to emulate tension in the handover (he hasn't a clue how to play it!), Bond stopping his heartrate, strolling into the hotel in pyjamas (please!!), Halle Berry-quite quite terrible, Toby Stephens sneering comic book villain, Madonnas cameo, Mr. Kil!!!,invisible car, the whole sequence in Iceland, Michael Madsens wish I was anywhere but here performance, Brossa back in combat gear, those awful flying contraptions Bond and Jinx are in, the disintegrating plane, the helicopters, Moneypenny with the glasses, loads of bad one-liners and dialogue! No, its definitely not just the bad cgi!
    Rant over, back to business, a great game and I agree CR a worthy winner!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    So DAD just has bad cgi? I beg to differ. Another tedious Vic Armstrong opening chase, lousy theme song, Bond in silly long hair and beard get up, Brossas bad acting trying to emulate tension in the handover (he hasn't a clue how to play it!), Bond stopping his heartrate, strolling into the hotel in pyjamas (please!!), Halle Berry-quite quite terrible, Toby Stephens sneering comic book villain, Madonnas cameo, Mr. Kil!!!,invisible car, the whole sequence in Iceland, Michael Madsens wish I was anywhere but here performance, Brossa back in combat gear, those awful flying contraptions Bond and Jinx are in, the disintegrating plane, the helicopters, Moneypenny with the glasses, loads of bad one-liners and dialogue! No, its definitely not just the bad cgi!
    Rant over, back to business, a great game and I agree CR a worthy winner!

    @Mathis1, I'd say that about covers it, yeah.

    If only Madsen had been allowed to cut an ear or two off to get some information out of Graves' goons. Now THAT would have improved the film immensely, with Arnold providing a track to the score that orchestrated "Stuck in the Middle with You" Barry style.
  • If there's 'suddenly' lots of love for DAD on this page and page 61, then why is DAD still firmly in the bottom of the ranking list :-)?
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    If there's 'suddenly' lots of love for DAD on this page and page 61, then why is DAD still firmly in the bottom of the ranking list :-)?

    That's why these rankings are great. It filters out overly emotional responses
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    If there's 'suddenly' lots of love for DAD on this page and page 61, then why is DAD still firmly in the bottom of the ranking list :-)?

    Prejudice
  • w2bond wrote: »
    If there's 'suddenly' lots of love for DAD on this page and page 61, then why is DAD still firmly in the bottom of the ranking list :-)?

    That's why these rankings are great. It filters out overly emotional responses

    Yep, it does. It basically 'teaches' people to think a bit more modest, to think that they are 'only' one voter out of 120. And once a few of these outliers are dissatisfied, then they forget that they basically were 'big outliers', far outside the average ranking and median :-).
  • If there's 'suddenly' lots of love for DAD on this page and page 61, then why is DAD still firmly in the bottom of the ranking list :-)?

    Prejudice

    No, no prejudice. But statistical propability :-). In this case........the fact that one who gives DAD 12 points is a huge 'outlier' and firmly outside the median.
  • JeffreyJeffrey The Netherlands
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    Thanks @Gustav_Graves. It was interesting and fun! :)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Everyone's opinion on a particular film is just as valid as anyone else's opinion, or even the opinion of the majority. Just because someone has an outlier view regarding a particular film doesn't make his/her opinion any less important. Sometimes an outlier today can become the prevailing view tomorrow. I'm sure that has happened with OHMSS over time. It's unlikely to happen with DAD, but nevertheless, I respect those who think highly of that film. Heck, I even respect TWINE lovers, although I'll admit that's a more difficult thing to do (scratches head incredulously).

    Thanks for your efforts in compiling and running this poll @Gustav_Graves. Good job.
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