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BOND POLLS 2016: The Top 10 JAMES BOND-007 Film Ranking Contest (Results: winner!, on page 60)

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  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Thunderfinger strikes again......
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    @stag, with all due respect, your opinion of Brosnan never being able to be or convey Bond doesn't really hold up if you haven't put in the actual work to see just what his entire catalogue of films are like. Without seeing GE, TND and TWINE, your observations hold no weight in discourse, because you largely have nothing to pull on.

    That'd be like me making a judgement on the Connery era by only seeing DAF. It just doesn't work that way. This whole experience doesn't need to be dramatic. You sit down, watch the films, and that's it; it won't kill you and afterwards I'm sure you could even say that your time has been wasted for far worse things in the past.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @stag, with all due respect, your opinion of Brosnan never being able to be or convey Bond doesn't really hold up if you haven't put in the actual work to see just what his entire catalogue of films are like. Without seeing GE, TND and TWINE, your observations hold no weight in discourse, because you largely have nothing to pull on.

    That'd be like me making a judgement on the Connery era by only seeing DAF. It just doesn't work that way. This whole experience doesn't need to be dramatic. You sit down, watch the films, and that's it; it won't kill you and afterwards I'm sure you could even say that your time has been wasted for far worse things in the past.

    My thoughts exactly...even to just watch them from a critique point of view,to be able to hold discussions about Brosnan's era on forums like here,where 99% of the members can quote any Bond film and know them inside out but still love them.

    You cant comment on Bond until you KNOW Bond....in all his 6 guises so far...they all have merits and detriments but personally i dont care...Its James Bond 007...my hero and my country's fictional national hero..end of.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,256
    The reason I can't vote is because I can't put together a TOP 10 list let alone organize it. Are we for example talking about favourite films, including guilty pleasures, or the films we think are the best? In the former case, MR and DAD might end up surprising high on my list, whereas in the latter, they won't be heard of.

    I generally consider GE to be my favourite Bond film, along with CR, though I wonder if both aren't bettered by FRWL. It's just impossible for me to rank them. I need a system, as provided by @royale65 in his wonderful 'rate the various ... ' thread.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    You're too kind @DarthDimi
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
    edited August 2016 Posts: 1,053
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @stag, with all due respect, your opinion of Brosnan never being able to be or convey Bond doesn't really hold up if you haven't put in the actual work to see just what his entire catalogue of films are like. Without seeing GE, TND and TWINE, your observations hold no weight in discourse, because you largely have nothing to pull on.

    That'd be like me making a judgement on the Connery era by only seeing DAF. It just doesn't work that way. This whole experience doesn't need to be dramatic. You sit down, watch the films, and that's it; it won't kill you and afterwards I'm sure you could even say that your time has been wasted for far worse things in the past.

    As I pointed out it is my opinion. I give it & I don't expect anyone else to subscribe to it. As for the only watching the one film - everyone here only saw one Bond film starring George Lazenby - & from that I'm confident that we all have made an informed decision as to his ability to portray 007?

    I also pointed out that I will make the effort to watch Brosnan's films when they appear on TV.

    I wonder how many people have read all the Bond books (including the continuation novels)? If anyone has chosen not because they dislike the authors style or take on the subject does that bar them from being called a Bond fan or indeed from having an opinion on that particular facet of Bond?
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    stag wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @stag, with all due respect, your opinion of Brosnan never being able to be or convey Bond doesn't really hold up if you haven't put in the actual work to see just what his entire catalogue of films are like. Without seeing GE, TND and TWINE, your observations hold no weight in discourse, because you largely have nothing to pull on.

    That'd be like me making a judgement on the Connery era by only seeing DAF. It just doesn't work that way. This whole experience doesn't need to be dramatic. You sit down, watch the films, and that's it; it won't kill you and afterwards I'm sure you could even say that your time has been wasted for far worse things in the past.

    As I pointed out it is my opinion. I give it & I don't expect anyone else to subscribe to it. As for the only watching the one film - everyone here only saw one Bond film starring George Lazenby - & from that I'm confident that we all have made an informed decision as to his ability to portray 007?

    I also pointed out that I will make the effort to watch Brosnan's films when they appear on TV.

    I wonder how many people have read all the Bond books (including the continuation novels)? If anyone has chosen not because they dislike the authors style or take on the subject does that bar them from being called a Bond fan or indeed from having an opinion on that particular facet of Bond?

    Fair point ,stag,...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    @stag, Lazenby made one film, so all you can do is watch that one film. Brosnan made four, but you've only seen his worst. I don't see how that argument is viable for you to make...

    There's plenty here who haven't read the Fleming novels, myself included, as books take a greater investment of time than a two hour film. Because I lack the breadth of knowledge on Fleming, I don't elect to act like I know the books backwards and forwards, and you'll find that I've not engaged in the literary threads in anything resembling a considerable degree because of that. It's not my place, as I lack much of anything to pull from beyond the first three books. It doesn't make anyone less of a fan for Christ's sake.

    The general rule here is to only speak on what you know, and if you don't know it, don't speak on it. You think there's no way Brosnan is a good Bond, which you can't know because you haven't experienced his entire era yet to see what he has to offer. That would be like me calling Fleming a pants writer because I didn't enjoy Live and Let Die without reading anything else from his Bond catalogue (he's actually one of my favorite scribes, to be clear). It's not a viable opinion to carry, that's all.

    You'll watch Brosnan's films in good time, just as I'll read the rest of Fleming in time. It's not a big deal, I'm just pointing out that making jumping assumptions of Brosnan in the role without experiencing the era in full doesn't hold up to scrutiny, even if you feel that way after you've done the ground work to get to that observation.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    12 POINTS: From Russia with love
    10 POINTS: OHMSS
    08 POINTS: For your eyes only
    07 POINTS: Dr. No
    06 POINTS: Moonraker
    05 POINTS: Goldeneye
    04 POINTS: Goldfinger
    03 POINTS: Octopussy
    02 POINTS: Thunderball
    01 POINTS: Casino Royale
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
    Posts: 1,053
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @stag, Lazenby made one film, so all you can do is watch that one film. Brosnan made four, but you've only seen his worst. I don't see how that argument is viable for you to make...

    There's plenty here who haven't read the Fleming novels, myself included, as books take a greater investment of time than a two hour film. Because I lack the breadth of knowledge on Fleming, I don't elect to act like I know the books backwards and forwards, and you'll find that I've not engaged in the literary threads in anything resembling a considerable degree because of that. It's not my place, as I lack much of anything to pull from beyond the first three books. It doesn't make anyone less of a fan for Christ's sake.

    The general rule here is to only speak on what you know, and if you don't know it, don't speak on it. You think there's no way Brosnan is a good Bond, which you can't know because you haven't experienced his entire era yet to see what he has to offer. That would be like me calling Fleming a pants writer because I didn't enjoy Live and Let Die without reading anything else from his Bond catalogue (he's actually one of my favorite scribes, to be clear). It's not a viable opinion to carry, that's all.

    You'll watch Brosnan's films in good time, just as I'll read the rest of Fleming in time. It's not a big deal, I'm just pointing out that making jumping assumptions of Brosnan in the role without experiencing the era in full doesn't hold up to scrutiny, even if you feel that way after you've done the ground work to get to that observation.

    I'm only guessing here but I think I may be correct in saying that When people saw the first Connery/Moore/Dalton/Brosnan/Craig films (whatever that film was) they were confident enough in their own opinion to make an informed choice as to whether or not they thought the actor in question was suitable or not for the role? While I can't speak for others I know my own mind well enough to know what I like & I don't like.

    You said It doesn't make anyone less of a fan for Christ's sake. I was referring to another comment (quote): "You cant comment on Bond until you KNOW Bond..." If that's the case then we could take the view that anyone who hasn't read all the books/listened to the radio plays/seen all the films can't comment because unless you have done so you don't know Bond? As we all know there are several degrees of separation between the literary (Fleming's) Bond & the celluloid version. Anyway I'm not speaking about Bond in the wider context but Brosnan's interpretation.

    You wrote: The general rule here is to only speak on what you know, and if you don't know it, don't speak on it. Exactly. I am giving my opinion & I know my opinion because I know my own mind & therefore can speak with confidence about it. I haven't gone into detail about the Brosnan films because I have little experience of them outside DAD & excerpts of the others I have seen. Lack of provision for counterpointing on a discussion forum rather defeats the object of the whole exercise no?

  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited August 2016 Posts: 11,119
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    The reason I can't vote is because I can't put together a TOP 10 list let alone organize it. Are we for example talking about favourite films, including guilty pleasures, or the films we think are the best? In the former case, MR and DAD might end up surprising high on my list, whereas in the latter, they won't be heard of.

    I generally consider GE to be my favourite Bond film, along with CR, though I wonder if both aren't bettered by FRWL. It's just impossible for me to rank them. I need a system, as provided by @royale65 in his wonderful 'rate the various ... ' thread.

    I think you make such a simple task way too complicated for yourself @DarthDimi ;-). The poll clearly states "What do you think is the Best James Bond Film?". During your ranking, you can add all of your personal nuances, by for instance looking at guilty pleasures or best acting achievements or funniest film. But one aspect doesn't mean it cancels out another aspect. The 'sum of your thoughts' should result in the question: "Does this film has all the aspects to be my Best James Bond Film.....and then does this film has all the aspects to become my 2nd Best James Bond Film...? Etc, etc, etc" :-).

    Also, consider this as a 'funny game' in which you force yourself to be your own devil's advocate. It's not a matter of life and death :-P. It's only a matter of ranking. Movie critics do it as well :-). Or do you fear that, if you finalize a TOP 10 ranking, you're...cursing the franchise :-P?

    If I'm not mistakes, the official website of our forums, http://www.MI6-HQ.com also uses the Fan Verdict Poll: https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/movies/fans.php3. And in the end, that results in an overall ranking as well (Although I'm surprised the poll doesn't dig very deep in certain technical skills of filmmaking, like 'Best Screenplay', 'Best Story' or 'Best Acting Ensemble'). So that's the purpose of this poll: Decide at this moment in time Which James Bond Film is your Best when looking at the coherent total package, the final product.

    Anyway, to give you an idea how the current ranking looks like after 52 voters have casted their results. Currently, one James Bond Film seems to be walking away with the Gold Medal again, whereas the fight for 2nd place is still on. Also, there's a big fight going on for the last spot in the TOP 10, the 10th place:

    TOP 10:
    #01 placed Bond Film --> 398 POINTS
    #01 placed Bond Film --> 358 POINTS
    #03 placed Bond Film --> 355 POINTS
    #04 placed Bond Film --> 253 POINTS
    #05 placed Bond Film --> 208 POINTS
    #06 placed Bond Film --> 194 POINTS
    #07 placed Bond Film --> 170 POINTS
    #08 placed Bond Film --> 131 POINTS
    #09 placed Bond Film --> 129 POINTS
    #10 placed Bond Film --> 109 POINTS

    BOTTOM 5:
    #22 placed Bond Film --> 019 POINTS
    #22 placed Bond Film --> 018 POINTS
    #24 placed Bond Film --> 008 POINTS
    #24 placed Bond Film --> 000 POINTS
    #24 placed Bond Film --> 000 POINTS[/quote]
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    12 POINTS: CR
    10 POINTS: OHMSS
    08 POINTS: FRWL
    07 POINTS: SKYFALL
    06 POINTS: THUNDERBALL
    05 POINTS: SPECTRE
    04 POINTS: GOLDFINGER
    03 POINTS: DR. NO
    02 POINTS: OCTOPUSSY
    01 POINTS: THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    peter wrote: »
    12 POINTS: CR
    10 POINTS: OHMSS
    08 POINTS: FRWL
    07 POINTS: SKYFALL
    06 POINTS: THUNDERBALL
    05 POINTS: SPECTRE
    04 POINTS: GOLDFINGER
    03 POINTS: DR. NO
    02 POINTS: OCTOPUSSY
    01 POINTS: THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS

    Thanks for the votes @peter. You're are the 53rd voter :-).
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    Posts: 1,130
    stag wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @stag, Lazenby made one film, so all you can do is watch that one film. Brosnan made four, but you've only seen his worst. I don't see how that argument is viable for you to make...

    There's plenty here who haven't read the Fleming novels, myself included, as books take a greater investment of time than a two hour film. Because I lack the breadth of knowledge on Fleming, I don't elect to act like I know the books backwards and forwards, and you'll find that I've not engaged in the literary threads in anything resembling a considerable degree because of that. It's not my place, as I lack much of anything to pull from beyond the first three books. It doesn't make anyone less of a fan for Christ's sake.

    The general rule here is to only speak on what you know, and if you don't know it, don't speak on it. You think there's no way Brosnan is a good Bond, which you can't know because you haven't experienced his entire era yet to see what he has to offer. That would be like me calling Fleming a pants writer because I didn't enjoy Live and Let Die without reading anything else from his Bond catalogue (he's actually one of my favorite scribes, to be clear). It's not a viable opinion to carry, that's all.

    You'll watch Brosnan's films in good time, just as I'll read the rest of Fleming in time. It's not a big deal, I'm just pointing out that making jumping assumptions of Brosnan in the role without experiencing the era in full doesn't hold up to scrutiny, even if you feel that way after you've done the ground work to get to that observation.

    I'm only guessing here but I think I may be correct in saying that When people saw the first Connery/Moore/Dalton/Brosnan/Craig films (whatever that film was) they were confident enough in their own opinion to make an informed choice as to whether or not they thought the actor in question was suitable or not for the role? While I can't speak for others I know my own mind well enough to know what I like & I don't like.

    You said It doesn't make anyone less of a fan for Christ's sake. I was referring to another comment (quote): "You cant comment on Bond until you KNOW Bond..." If that's the case then we could take the view that anyone who hasn't read all the books/listened to the radio plays/seen all the films can't comment because unless you have done so you don't know Bond? As we all know there are several degrees of separation between the literary (Fleming's) Bond & the celluloid version. Anyway I'm not speaking about Bond in the wider context but Brosnan's interpretation.

    You wrote: The general rule here is to only speak on what you know, and if you don't know it, don't speak on it. Exactly. I am giving my opinion & I know my opinion because I know my own mind & therefore can speak with confidence about it. I haven't gone into detail about the Brosnan films because I have little experience of them outside DAD & excerpts of the others I have seen. Lack of provision for counterpointing on a discussion forum rather defeats the object of the whole exercise no?


    Id say both of you are right

    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 i agree with you that You can get a better picture of the actor's portrayal when you watch his whole tenure as Bond since the performances changed with time and the tone of their respective films.
    So our first impression can get better while watching more, for example i first hatted Craig but as the films advanced i liked him much better

    However @stag you are right that other times our first impression is the right one.

    i did love Pierce when I watched him the very fisrt time in Die Another Day his style did click with me.
    He looked so confident made me believe women were crazy about him and its funny even though it was my very first Bond flick I didn't mind the CGI Tsunami wave, i just gave for granted the fantasy almost unbelievable moments were part of Bond.

    I was like well Bond has to escape some way from the icaurous, i was just wondering how would it happen so i smiled when found his to do so surfing.

    But with Moore i just didn't like him in Live and let die and felt ohh ok he will be my least favorite Bond i still watched the others but never got so much into him.

    So yes our judgment of a Bond actor can be made with just one film bit could change while watching the whole tenure.
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    Agreed @Szonana. I'm just expressing my own personal opinion. I wish I could get over my own prejudices surrounding Brosnan but I thought he was an awful choice at the time & my feelings haven't changed. As said I am prepared to watch the films when they appear on TV but hold little hope that I will be converted.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    Posts: 1,130
    stag wrote: »
    Agreed @Szonana. I'm just expressing my own personal opinion. I wish I could get over my own prejudices surrounding Brosnan but I thought he was an awful choice at the time & my feelings haven't changed. As said I am prepared to watch the films when they appear on TV but hold little hope that I will be converted.

    It's too bad we can't agree on our opinion about Pierce but i guess at the end is who clicked eith us and who didn't and what we look for the most in Bond.

    I care more for the Ladies man side of the character and the fantasy aspects but i can appreciate good action as well.

    Moore in theory should be on my top 3 but his humor was too slapstick and he just didn't attract me, ive always said how the attractiveness has a huge weight on Bond actors preference.
    But im sure attractivness has 0 importance with the msle fans.

    And i bet its the same way with the Bond girls but in reverse.

    The female fans we care more for how much they shone performance wise and how interesting were the characters and how glamourous they looked.

    While here boys respond more on how attractive they found them.





  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    @stag, my apologies if I came on strong in some of my retorts to you. This is all a rather silly business; you watch them if you want, when you want, and all the rest. Didn't mean to climb down your throat, if I did.
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
    Posts: 1,053
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @stag, my apologies if I came on strong in some of my retorts to you. This is all a rather silly business; you watch them if you want, when you want, and all the rest. Didn't mean to climb down your throat, if I did.

    Absolutely no offence taken thus no apologies necessary, but thanks anyway. We all have our own opinions & indeed I invite yours over at my new thread.

    Just one last thing about Brosnan. I spent much of my working life rubbing shoulders with some truly dangerous men, as a result I developed a sixth sense for those who should be taken seriously & I think this is one of the reasons Brosnan could never convince me. I know they are all acting but some can convince better than others.

  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    @stag, interesting comment about your sixth sense. I'd love to hear you rank the 007 actors in order of convincing danger (and a little blurb on why or why not the actor did or did not make the cut).

    P
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    @gustav_graves: thank you for keeping interesting threads alive-- you've obviously a passionate Bond fan

    P
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited August 2016 Posts: 19,339
    peter wrote: »
    @gustav_graves: thank you for keeping interesting threads alive-- you've obviously a passionate Bond fan

    P
    He is one of the 'Originals' like me who are still here from the original thread KTBEU(keeping the British end up)...not many of us left but we did a good job transferring all the old thread over , well we brought good members like you in.

  • timmertimmer
    Posts: 4,622
    Birdleson wrote: »
    For me personally, the Fleming novels and short stories trump all. Those are the core.
    Yes, Fleming is the root, the reason for it all, the base, the foundation for it all.
    The films are better appreciated with a grounding in Fleming.
    I saw my first Bond film, at 12, was immediately hooked and managed to have all films watched and all Fleming's read by age 15, and I thought that was slagging it., but I had little cash, and couldn't find all the Flemings in the couple of bookstores I had access too. I had to borrow some from other kids parents who had them lying around. Every time I got paws on a fresh Fleming, it was almost euphoric, like launching a great adventure. Sometimes I would study and reflect on the cover blurbs, so as to be best prepared for the thrills to come.
    @Obrady Get reading!!! It's time best spent. Your Bond IQ will grow exponentially. Suddenly scenes in the films will resonate like never before from a newly discovered Fleming lens.
    I would suggest taking break from board and devoting your Bond time to reading the sacred scrolls
    @stag I don't think your opinion of Broz as Bond will change by watching all his films, but they are still exciting Bond films They all at least have the gun barrel at start of film. Get watching

    Have a contest with @obrady See who can get their homework done first, and report back.


  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    @barryt007, thank you and I enjoy the perspective on this site immensely.

    P
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    peter wrote: »
    @barryt007, thank you and I enjoy the perspective on this site immensely.

    P

    Thanks @Peter :-). I'm usually at my best....and perhaps nicest, if I create my own topics. When it comes to politics I can be quite an a-hole :(.

    Anyway, if you know some other people who like to vote in the poll? Please forward them to here.
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
    Posts: 1,817
    12 POINTS: GoldenEye
    10 POINTS: Casino Royale
    08 POINTS: Goldfinger
    07 POINTS: The Living Daylights
    06 POINTS: The Spy Who Loved Me
    05 POINTS: Octopussy
    04 POINTS: From Russia with Love
    03 POINTS: Licence to Kill
    02 POINTS: The World Is Not Enough
    01 POINTS: Skyfall
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    @barryt007, thank you and I enjoy the perspective on this site immensely.

    P
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited August 2016 Posts: 11,119
    By jolly, 54 voters already. One question, should the results of this poll deserve an article on the general website MI6-HQ.com? Or is that asking a bit too much....

    In the end, I will post the results in ascending order, from 26th place slowly upwards to the bronze, silver and gold medalists. One result per post (perhaps one result per day ;-)? )
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
    edited August 2016 Posts: 1,817
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    By jolly, 54 voters already. One question, should the results of this poll deserve an article on the general website MI6-HQ.com? Or is that asking a bit too much....

    In the end, I will post the results in ascending order, from 26th place slowly upwards to the bronze, silver and gold medalists. One result per post (perhaps one result per day ;-)? )

    Very suspenseful! :p
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    How long will the poll remain open?
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    pachazo wrote: »
    How long will the poll remain open?

    I was thinking to shorten the deadline to the 1st week of October, since so many people vote.

    What is your TOP 10 @pachazo?
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