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That'd be like me making a judgement on the Connery era by only seeing DAF. It just doesn't work that way. This whole experience doesn't need to be dramatic. You sit down, watch the films, and that's it; it won't kill you and afterwards I'm sure you could even say that your time has been wasted for far worse things in the past.
My thoughts exactly...even to just watch them from a critique point of view,to be able to hold discussions about Brosnan's era on forums like here,where 99% of the members can quote any Bond film and know them inside out but still love them.
You cant comment on Bond until you KNOW Bond....in all his 6 guises so far...they all have merits and detriments but personally i dont care...Its James Bond 007...my hero and my country's fictional national hero..end of.
I generally consider GE to be my favourite Bond film, along with CR, though I wonder if both aren't bettered by FRWL. It's just impossible for me to rank them. I need a system, as provided by @royale65 in his wonderful 'rate the various ... ' thread.
As I pointed out it is my opinion. I give it & I don't expect anyone else to subscribe to it. As for the only watching the one film - everyone here only saw one Bond film starring George Lazenby - & from that I'm confident that we all have made an informed decision as to his ability to portray 007?
I also pointed out that I will make the effort to watch Brosnan's films when they appear on TV.
I wonder how many people have read all the Bond books (including the continuation novels)? If anyone has chosen not because they dislike the authors style or take on the subject does that bar them from being called a Bond fan or indeed from having an opinion on that particular facet of Bond?
Fair point ,stag,...
There's plenty here who haven't read the Fleming novels, myself included, as books take a greater investment of time than a two hour film. Because I lack the breadth of knowledge on Fleming, I don't elect to act like I know the books backwards and forwards, and you'll find that I've not engaged in the literary threads in anything resembling a considerable degree because of that. It's not my place, as I lack much of anything to pull from beyond the first three books. It doesn't make anyone less of a fan for Christ's sake.
The general rule here is to only speak on what you know, and if you don't know it, don't speak on it. You think there's no way Brosnan is a good Bond, which you can't know because you haven't experienced his entire era yet to see what he has to offer. That would be like me calling Fleming a pants writer because I didn't enjoy Live and Let Die without reading anything else from his Bond catalogue (he's actually one of my favorite scribes, to be clear). It's not a viable opinion to carry, that's all.
You'll watch Brosnan's films in good time, just as I'll read the rest of Fleming in time. It's not a big deal, I'm just pointing out that making jumping assumptions of Brosnan in the role without experiencing the era in full doesn't hold up to scrutiny, even if you feel that way after you've done the ground work to get to that observation.
10 POINTS: OHMSS
08 POINTS: For your eyes only
07 POINTS: Dr. No
06 POINTS: Moonraker
05 POINTS: Goldeneye
04 POINTS: Goldfinger
03 POINTS: Octopussy
02 POINTS: Thunderball
01 POINTS: Casino Royale
I'm only guessing here but I think I may be correct in saying that When people saw the first Connery/Moore/Dalton/Brosnan/Craig films (whatever that film was) they were confident enough in their own opinion to make an informed choice as to whether or not they thought the actor in question was suitable or not for the role? While I can't speak for others I know my own mind well enough to know what I like & I don't like.
You said It doesn't make anyone less of a fan for Christ's sake. I was referring to another comment (quote): "You cant comment on Bond until you KNOW Bond..." If that's the case then we could take the view that anyone who hasn't read all the books/listened to the radio plays/seen all the films can't comment because unless you have done so you don't know Bond? As we all know there are several degrees of separation between the literary (Fleming's) Bond & the celluloid version. Anyway I'm not speaking about Bond in the wider context but Brosnan's interpretation.
You wrote: The general rule here is to only speak on what you know, and if you don't know it, don't speak on it. Exactly. I am giving my opinion & I know my opinion because I know my own mind & therefore can speak with confidence about it. I haven't gone into detail about the Brosnan films because I have little experience of them outside DAD & excerpts of the others I have seen. Lack of provision for counterpointing on a discussion forum rather defeats the object of the whole exercise no?
I think you make such a simple task way too complicated for yourself @DarthDimi ;-). The poll clearly states "What do you think is the Best James Bond Film?". During your ranking, you can add all of your personal nuances, by for instance looking at guilty pleasures or best acting achievements or funniest film. But one aspect doesn't mean it cancels out another aspect. The 'sum of your thoughts' should result in the question: "Does this film has all the aspects to be my Best James Bond Film.....and then does this film has all the aspects to become my 2nd Best James Bond Film...? Etc, etc, etc" :-).
Also, consider this as a 'funny game' in which you force yourself to be your own devil's advocate. It's not a matter of life and death :-P. It's only a matter of ranking. Movie critics do it as well :-). Or do you fear that, if you finalize a TOP 10 ranking, you're...cursing the franchise :-P?
If I'm not mistakes, the official website of our forums, http://www.MI6-HQ.com also uses the Fan Verdict Poll: https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/movies/fans.php3. And in the end, that results in an overall ranking as well (Although I'm surprised the poll doesn't dig very deep in certain technical skills of filmmaking, like 'Best Screenplay', 'Best Story' or 'Best Acting Ensemble'). So that's the purpose of this poll: Decide at this moment in time Which James Bond Film is your Best when looking at the coherent total package, the final product.
Anyway, to give you an idea how the current ranking looks like after 52 voters have casted their results. Currently, one James Bond Film seems to be walking away with the Gold Medal again, whereas the fight for 2nd place is still on. Also, there's a big fight going on for the last spot in the TOP 10, the 10th place:
TOP 10:
#01 placed Bond Film --> 398 POINTS
#01 placed Bond Film --> 358 POINTS
#03 placed Bond Film --> 355 POINTS
#04 placed Bond Film --> 253 POINTS
#05 placed Bond Film --> 208 POINTS
#06 placed Bond Film --> 194 POINTS
#07 placed Bond Film --> 170 POINTS
#08 placed Bond Film --> 131 POINTS
#09 placed Bond Film --> 129 POINTS
#10 placed Bond Film --> 109 POINTS
BOTTOM 5:
#22 placed Bond Film --> 019 POINTS
#22 placed Bond Film --> 018 POINTS
#24 placed Bond Film --> 008 POINTS
#24 placed Bond Film --> 000 POINTS
#24 placed Bond Film --> 000 POINTS[/quote]
10 POINTS: OHMSS
08 POINTS: FRWL
07 POINTS: SKYFALL
06 POINTS: THUNDERBALL
05 POINTS: SPECTRE
04 POINTS: GOLDFINGER
03 POINTS: DR. NO
02 POINTS: OCTOPUSSY
01 POINTS: THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
Thanks for the votes @peter. You're are the 53rd voter :-).
Id say both of you are right
@0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 i agree with you that You can get a better picture of the actor's portrayal when you watch his whole tenure as Bond since the performances changed with time and the tone of their respective films.
So our first impression can get better while watching more, for example i first hatted Craig but as the films advanced i liked him much better
However @stag you are right that other times our first impression is the right one.
i did love Pierce when I watched him the very fisrt time in Die Another Day his style did click with me.
He looked so confident made me believe women were crazy about him and its funny even though it was my very first Bond flick I didn't mind the CGI Tsunami wave, i just gave for granted the fantasy almost unbelievable moments were part of Bond.
I was like well Bond has to escape some way from the icaurous, i was just wondering how would it happen so i smiled when found his to do so surfing.
But with Moore i just didn't like him in Live and let die and felt ohh ok he will be my least favorite Bond i still watched the others but never got so much into him.
So yes our judgment of a Bond actor can be made with just one film bit could change while watching the whole tenure.
It's too bad we can't agree on our opinion about Pierce but i guess at the end is who clicked eith us and who didn't and what we look for the most in Bond.
I care more for the Ladies man side of the character and the fantasy aspects but i can appreciate good action as well.
Moore in theory should be on my top 3 but his humor was too slapstick and he just didn't attract me, ive always said how the attractiveness has a huge weight on Bond actors preference.
But im sure attractivness has 0 importance with the msle fans.
And i bet its the same way with the Bond girls but in reverse.
The female fans we care more for how much they shone performance wise and how interesting were the characters and how glamourous they looked.
While here boys respond more on how attractive they found them.
Absolutely no offence taken thus no apologies necessary, but thanks anyway. We all have our own opinions & indeed I invite yours over at my new thread.
Just one last thing about Brosnan. I spent much of my working life rubbing shoulders with some truly dangerous men, as a result I developed a sixth sense for those who should be taken seriously & I think this is one of the reasons Brosnan could never convince me. I know they are all acting but some can convince better than others.
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The films are better appreciated with a grounding in Fleming.
I saw my first Bond film, at 12, was immediately hooked and managed to have all films watched and all Fleming's read by age 15, and I thought that was slagging it., but I had little cash, and couldn't find all the Flemings in the couple of bookstores I had access too. I had to borrow some from other kids parents who had them lying around. Every time I got paws on a fresh Fleming, it was almost euphoric, like launching a great adventure. Sometimes I would study and reflect on the cover blurbs, so as to be best prepared for the thrills to come.
@Obrady Get reading!!! It's time best spent. Your Bond IQ will grow exponentially. Suddenly scenes in the films will resonate like never before from a newly discovered Fleming lens.
I would suggest taking break from board and devoting your Bond time to reading the sacred scrolls
@stag I don't think your opinion of Broz as Bond will change by watching all his films, but they are still exciting Bond films They all at least have the gun barrel at start of film. Get watching
Have a contest with @obrady See who can get their homework done first, and report back.
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Thanks @Peter :-). I'm usually at my best....and perhaps nicest, if I create my own topics. When it comes to politics I can be quite an a-hole :(.
Anyway, if you know some other people who like to vote in the poll? Please forward them to here.
10 POINTS: Casino Royale
08 POINTS: Goldfinger
07 POINTS: The Living Daylights
06 POINTS: The Spy Who Loved Me
05 POINTS: Octopussy
04 POINTS: From Russia with Love
03 POINTS: Licence to Kill
02 POINTS: The World Is Not Enough
01 POINTS: Skyfall
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In the end, I will post the results in ascending order, from 26th place slowly upwards to the bronze, silver and gold medalists. One result per post (perhaps one result per day ;-)? )
Very suspenseful! :p
I was thinking to shorten the deadline to the 1st week of October, since so many people vote.
What is your TOP 10 @pachazo?