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  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    edited June 2018 Posts: 16,293
    I think Mathieu Amalric would make a great Renfield in an adaptation of DRACULA.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Although QOS is full of action scenes, I feel it plays more like a thriller.
    I agree, and that is one of its strongest elements. There is an almost 70's aspect to it (everyone has some baggage and nobody is perfect - it's difficult to separate the good from the bad). To a degree I think that may have hurt it at the box office. The relative simplicity of SF (revenge) in combination with its emotional heft perhaps is more in tune with what today's audience demands.

    QoS has a certain real world grit to it visually, and really benefits from the on-location shoots. This is something they'd better remember for B25. A far cry from the washed out (and somewhat cartoonesque) digitized fare they gave us in the last outing.

    Good point. I remember QOS being reasonably successful at the box office, but not very popular. I felt like one of the few fans who loved it. Had it been done now, audiences might have embraced it more.

    I remember critics whining that he doesn't have any catch phrases. Yawn.
    We don't need to hear "shaken not stirred" in EVERY film.

    I am curious what the deleted "Bond. James Bond" scene was like though.

  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Bond and Camille escape burning in flames.
    Greene stranded in the desert.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    And off Camille goes......................

    Damn.

    Very Gala Brand in that ending to me.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Now Bond confronts Vesper's a-hole boyfriend.

    I love this little scene as well.


    SIT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Craig looks intense.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    I really didn't understand back in 2008 why most of my friends hated this one.

    I thought Craig was bringing Fleming's Bond from the page the 21st century.

  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Damn. Back then I also thought we might stay on track for a new Craig Bond every 2 years. Meaning his 7th outing would have been this year.

    Sigh.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    GUNBARREL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    One thing I'll say about the gunbarrel, (unlike SKYFALL and SPECTRE), is that Arnold plays the correct section of the Bond theme to accompany the image.

    I also love the music that plays during the end credits.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2018 Posts: 23,883
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I really didn't understand back in 2008 why most of my friends hated this one.

    I thought Craig was bringing Fleming's Bond from the page the 21st century.
    His characterization is very good but I don't think the film, on first viewing at least, lived up to the tremendous promise of CR. It's really a film best enjoyed with repeated watches on the small screen, where all the editing frenetics can be taken in fully. I don't imagine that most viewers did that (and why should they really?), and consequently the film didn't get the appreciation it perhaps deserved.

    I personally thought that the Bourne elements (and I'm not talking about the editing now) were laid on way too thick for it to be an all out classic, particularly coming as it did so soon after the original trilogy had signed off on a high.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,293
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I really didn't understand back in 2008 why most of my friends hated this one.

    I thought Craig was bringing Fleming's Bond from the page the 21st century.
    His characterization is very good but I don't think the film, on first viewing at least, lived up to the tremendous promise of CR. It's really a film best enjoyed with repeated watches on the small screen, where all the editing frenetics can be taken in fully. I don't imagine that most viewers did that (and why should they really?), and consequently the film didn't get the appreciation it perhaps deserved.

    I personally thought that the Bourne elements (and I'm not talking about the editing now) were laid on way too thick for it to be an all out classic, particularly coming as it did so soon after the original trilogy had signed off on a high.

    True. Many were disappointed. Watching it tonight, I am glad it does feel so different to CASINO ROYALE, in spite of it being a direct follow up. It kind of has it's own vibe.
    I appreciate the under 2 hour run time. Similar to the very early films in that regard.

    I always felt had the GB opened the film, and the "Bond James Bond" scene been left in, we'd have a film that fits right in with classic Bond, in spite of the Bourne influences.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2018 Posts: 23,883
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I really didn't understand back in 2008 why most of my friends hated this one.

    I thought Craig was bringing Fleming's Bond from the page the 21st century.
    His characterization is very good but I don't think the film, on first viewing at least, lived up to the tremendous promise of CR. It's really a film best enjoyed with repeated watches on the small screen, where all the editing frenetics can be taken in fully. I don't imagine that most viewers did that (and why should they really?), and consequently the film didn't get the appreciation it perhaps deserved.

    I personally thought that the Bourne elements (and I'm not talking about the editing now) were laid on way too thick for it to be an all out classic, particularly coming as it did so soon after the original trilogy had signed off on a high.

    True. Many were disappointed. Watching it tonight, I am glad it does feel so different to CASINO ROYALE, in spite of it being a direct follow up. It kind of has it's own vibe.
    I appreciate the under 2 hour run time. Similar to the very early films in that regard.

    I always felt had the GB opened the film, and the "Bond James Bond" scene been left in, we'd have a film that fits right in with classic Bond, in spite of the Bourne influences.
    I agree. It certainly has its own flavour, as do all of the Craig entries. They have increasingly become a bit artsy since CR (and I expect his last to be the most imaginative in this respect). Despite the evident influence of the seminal Bourne films in QoS, it does evoke elements of the earliest Connery films, at least in its pared down no-nonsense simplicity.

    People have a go at Mendes for not using the GB in SF, but I think it's Forster who blew it the most here. As you said, they could have just opened the film through the GB and it would have looked just as good.

    I'm not aware of the eliminated "Bond, James Bond" scene, but think a bit more Bond theme inserted here and there would have certainly helped as well.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,293
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I really didn't understand back in 2008 why most of my friends hated this one.

    I thought Craig was bringing Fleming's Bond from the page the 21st century.
    His characterization is very good but I don't think the film, on first viewing at least, lived up to the tremendous promise of CR. It's really a film best enjoyed with repeated watches on the small screen, where all the editing frenetics can be taken in fully. I don't imagine that most viewers did that (and why should they really?), and consequently the film didn't get the appreciation it perhaps deserved.

    I personally thought that the Bourne elements (and I'm not talking about the editing now) were laid on way too thick for it to be an all out classic, particularly coming as it did so soon after the original trilogy had signed off on a high.

    True. Many were disappointed. Watching it tonight, I am glad it does feel so different to CASINO ROYALE, in spite of it being a direct follow up. It kind of has it's own vibe.
    I appreciate the under 2 hour run time. Similar to the very early films in that regard.

    I always felt had the GB opened the film, and the "Bond James Bond" scene been left in, we'd have a film that fits right in with classic Bond, in spite of the Bourne influences.
    I agree. It certainly has its own flavour, as do all of the Craig entries. They have increasingly become a bit artsy since CR (and I expect his last to be the most imaginative in this respect). Despite the evident influence of the seminal Bourne films in QoS, it does evoke elements of the earliest Connery films, at least in its pared down no-nonsense simplicity.

    People have a go at Mendes for not using the GB in SF, but I think it's Forster who blew it the most here. As you said, they could have just opened the film through the GB and it would have looked just as good.

    I'm not aware of the eliminated "Bond, James Bond" scene, but think a bit more Bond theme inserted here and there would have certainly helped as well.

    If I'm not mistaken, I believe there was a "Bond, James Bond" similar to the CR ending filmed but not used. Perhaps there's someone else on the boards here that may be able to chime in on this information?
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    You mean the original QOS ending? That’s when Bond kills White and does the classic line to Guy Haines. I wanted to see it for years but of course never happened.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,293
    FoxRox wrote: »
    You mean the original QOS ending? That’s when Bond kills White and does the classic line to Guy Haines. I wanted to see it for years but of course never happened.

    That's it!
    I'd love to see that.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,293
    CASINO ROYALE 06

    I love the black and white opening.
    When reading the book I pictured a film noir style, and this kind of emulates that for me.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Craig sitting to the far left of the screen is his intro. No build up like with Connery, Laze, Timmy or Pierce.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    The bathroom fight is still pretty gritty.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Yes. Considerably.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Blink and you miss it gun barrel.

    Still, I think it's Daniel's best pose. The blood is brighter on the blu ray than in the film.

    I had a musician buddy who knew Chris Cornell. I think he was a bit jealous Chris made it big during the Seattle grunge boom.

    He said Cornell was a nice guy.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    My favorite Craig song by a mile.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Of course! Mr White!!!

    That's getting old now.

    Speaking of noir, one of the things I love about CR is that many of the actors here would look right at home in an early 50s RKO noir. Especially Jesper here.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Mads remains my favorite Craig villain. Probably my favorite villain since Sanchez.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    It's damn hot out today and this week. Heat wave. I should get a shirt like Craig's here.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Holster the bloody weapon, Carter I need him alive!
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Bond climbs and ascends to the top of the crane.


    Great fight sequence here.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Had this been Pierce's 5th outing I picture the crane sequence and chase being the PTS.

    Pierce might have worn a beige linen suit, open neck shirt.

  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Pierce might have also done his pain face in several shots.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    and his grunt.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Daniel looks great here.
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