Blofeld : Did you want him to escape from Bond,in the helicopter ? And what next ? (SP)

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  • edited February 2017 Posts: 4,603
    How about:

    "This time!....he's simply following orders"

    in that low 80s movie trailer voice.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    No no no...not another personal story...Bond isnt about that ,and they have to pull away from that now ....

    They are all personal, but some more than others, and the balance has definitely shifted.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    patb wrote: »
    How about:

    "This time!....he's simply following orders"

    in that low 80s movie trailer voice.

    (Dramatic music playing)

    Deep voice narrator:
    "In a world...

    ...where every movie has some convoluted personal backstory...

    ...one man is just a professional doing his job."
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    If Waltz is back, it pretty much has to be personal.
  • Posts: 19,339
    That's what concerns me...having to wait 3-4 years for another personal storyline...meh.
  • Posts: 4,044
    This time it's personal, but a long time ago so you'll have forgotten it all.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    The stuff in London should not have happened at all. Blofeld should have been 'presumed dead', which of course would not have been in the case, Bond sent to assassinate C, and then Bond has sex with Madeleine.

    Sounds good to me; this is tight, true to classic Bond and better than what was done,

  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Have a massive base for Blofeld and massive battle and massive explosion
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    talos7 wrote: »
    The stuff in London should not have happened at all. Blofeld should have been 'presumed dead', which of course would not have been in the case, Bond sent to assassinate C, and then Bond has sex with Madeleine.

    Sounds good to me; this is tight, true to classic Bond and better than what was done,

    Yes, I like this a lot better too.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    edited February 2017 Posts: 3,000
    Delete. Double post.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    edited February 2017 Posts: 3,000
    Here is my idea for how SP could have been fixed;

    Bond's apartment The entire step-brother concept would be completely scrapped. MP could still bring Bond remnants from skyfall, but these wouldn't be significant to the plot in any way. There would be no mention of Oberhauser. Blofeld would simply be Blofeld.

    Spectre meeting Blofeld would say; "Welcome, Mr. Bond. Our little game has been going on for some time. What took you so long?"

    Car chase Bond's car would be fully stocked with ammunition, and may include additional weapons such as missiles. There would be more enemy cars in the case, with Hinx lagging slightly behind. Hinx would get in his car in a calm, menacing manner, confident that he could catch up to Bond. Bond would exhaust his bullets and explosives on the other vehicles before Hinx catches up, leaving the rest of the chase to go as it did in the film, including the part with the Fiat, which I love. The music gag, however, would be omitted. There would be no phone call between MP and Bond during the car chase. As it is necessary to the plot that this exchange take place by phone (so it can be tapped), it could occur at a different, less ridiculous time. Mr. White would still be mentioned, but Craig would not say, "Mr. White! Of course!" That line was bad. There would, of course, be no mention of Oberhauser.

    Blofeld's base Blofeld would be sitting next to a tech who would operate the drill. Instead of Blofeld saying that the drill would affect Bond's balance, only to have him show no evidence of this later, he could say that the drill would cause something like, "Some mild nausea and burning nerve sensations." After the final drill intended to wipe Bond's memory, just before Madeleine throws the watch, the tech would say to Blofeld, "We may have missed." The ensuing escape would involve a cat and mouse chase through the facility, both inside the buildings and outside, and would have a more drawn-out, challenging gun fight. The ending explosion would remain unchanged.

    MI6 escape The events in MI6 would be unchanged, however, the Bond theme would blast as the boat shot out from underneath the collapsing building. Bond would begin unloading the Sig's clip into the chopper. The following conversation would take place in the helicopter:

    Pilot: "We need to fly higher."

    Blofeld: "No! We have to stay below the radar ceiling. Do you want the entire RAF after us?" (A convenient way of explaining why they were flying so low, and why they had to follow the Thames; it was the most open space for low altitude fight.)

    Pilot: "He's shooting at us sir!"

    Blofeld: "It's just a damn pistol! Calm down. It won't do anything and he knows that. He's just desperate."

    As the chopper flies off and Bond's pistol run out, the boat coasts to a stop and everything goes quiet. Bond, visibly angry, watches Blofeld's helicopter disappear.


    Epilogue in Bond's apartment As suggested by @jake24 a while back, the ending of the novel Solo could be adapted. I have my own spin on it. The scene opens with Bond and Madeleine in bed;

    Madeleine: "I do hope they're not getting along too bad without you."

    Bond: "I don't really care. Blofeld is their problem; MI6 has taken enough of my time. I plan to spend it with you now. Besides, they couldn't have been too upset about my leaving; they let me keep the DB5."

    Madeleine (with a chuckle): "What is it with you and that stupid old car?"

    Bond: "It's the second most beautiful thing in my life." The two kiss.

    As they begin to drift off to sleep, Bond wakes up thinking he hears something outside. He alerts Madeleine, grabs his Walther, slips on his suit jacket, and heads outside. Madeleine watches him from the window. Bond creeps his way around the perimeter of the building, eventually making his way back around front. He lowers his weapon realizing nothing is there, and notices Madeleine in the window.

    Bond: "False alarm. Don't worry. I'm just going to check to make sure I remembered to lock the car. Go back to sleep." She returns to bed.

    Bond pauses for a moment, standing still. Obviously contemplating something. He pulls his keys from his jacket pocket, walks over to the DB5, gets in, starts it, and drives off into the night. End film.




    Alternate MI6 bathosub escape This one is inspired by a comment from @Wiz several months ago.

    As Bond is chasing after Blofeld's chopper, he grabs an AR-15 from the boat's weapons stash (it is an official MI6 vehicle, you'd think it would have something on board). He begins firing at the base of the rotors.

    Pilot: "We need to fly higher."

    Blofeld: "No! We have to stay below the radar ceiling. Do you want the entire RAF after us?"

    Pilot: "He's shooting at us sir!"

    Blofeld: "Then fly faster Damnit!"


    Bond's bullets hit their mark. There is a small explosion at the top of the chopper, and it plummets into the water. The boat speeds towards the crash-site, which is a decent distance ahead due to the helicopter's high speed.

    Meanwhile, we see a shot from under the water. The compartment Blofeld was in breaks away from the rest of the chopper. We see inside, steering controls pop out in front of Blofeld. As Bond and Madeleine approach, Blofeld's bathosub breaches with a splash. He speeds past Bond on the surface, giving him a smirk as he passes, just before diving back under the water.

    Campy, but fun as heck.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Spectre meeting Blofeld would say; "Welcome, Mr. Bond. Our little game has been going on for some time. What took you so long?"

    Yes! posted this in another thread but it fits here.

    I would have preferred had there been no connection between Bond And Blofeld other than one that evolved starting with the events of Casino Royale; Then, at some point in SPECTRE Blofeld would have said something to the effect:

    'You were nothing to me, quite by accident you kept getting in my way; you became a distraction but now Mr. Bond I'm afraid you've become a threat. Over these years, without even trying, I became the author of all your pain and now I shall put you out of my misery.'

    Or something like that

  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Spectre meeting Blofeld would say; "Welcome, Mr. Bond. Our little game has been going on for some time. What took you so long?"

    Yes! posted this in another thread but it fits here.

    I would have preferred had there been no connection between Bond And Blofeld other than one that evolved starting with the events of Casino Royale; Then, at some point in SPECTRE Blofeld would have said something to the effect:

    'You were nothing to me, quite by accident you kept getting in my way; you became a distraction but now Mr. Bond I'm afraid you've become a threat. Over these years, without even trying, I became the author of all your pain and now I shall put you out of my misery.'

    Or something like that

    I like this. It would fit very well in place of the "author of pain" dialogue in Blofeld's base.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Well done both of you,much much better and satisfying then the actual mess EON put out there.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Well done both of you,much much better and satisfying then the actual mess EON put out there.

    Thank you! The thing that bothers me about SP, more than anything else, is how it is so close to being very good but falls short due to some stupid decisions. While I do like it a lot, I think it could have been top 5 material for me if they had just fixed the ending alone.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Its the ending that gets me annoyed,right from the Scooby Doo MI6 gang driving around,to Bond shooting down the helicopter with his cap-gun,to the DB5 being used yet again !
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    The Thames/Westminster bridge stuff is superb, but Moneypenny, Q, and Tanner have no reason for being there.
  • pking_3pking_3 Punting under the Bridge of Sighs
    edited February 2017 Posts: 33
    I like to peruse this video to remind myself what a 380 ppk can do at a distance seemingly farther than what was shown in Spectre. (Angles are a bit tricky but it seems to be the width of the Thames, which is 230 yards at the tower bridge, is similar to the space between Bond and Blofeld.) And I imagine that the unarmored turbine of a commercial helicopter engine would not take well to an 85 foot-lb impact (after dissipation), though that is admittedly uninformed speculation.

    Basically, the whinge seems to be that some seemingly don't want to see James Bond, of all characters, make a merely implausible shot when in third-reel magic mode...and after choosing to watch James Bond, knowing he traditionally does such stuff, particularly at this point in the plot.

    Prerogatives are personal things.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 4,603
    Re the pistol shot, I think (especially within the remit of the Craig era) that one has to draw a line between "best of the best" (in this case, the best shot), rather than "superhuman",
    taking down the chopper by hitting the rear exhaust port is a superhuman shot IMHO rather than a great shot. When the writers have to rely on Bond performing superhuman tasks, its not a good sign.
    Bond is meant to be human, not a member of The Avengers.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    For me it's not so much the implausibly of the shot, but the fact that it was so anticlimactic. You could give Bond a 50 cal sniper rifle in that scene, and while it would become plausible, it would still be boring.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 19,339
    It was very anti-climatic....they should have just used Blofeld's crater lair more ,put in a dinner and dialogue and then later in another scene built the tension to verbal sparring between Bond and Blofeld and then a big climactic battle,with Blofeld escaping...London didnt need to be used,Vauxhall Cross didnt need to blow up,and the MI6 Scooby Doo gang didnt need to parade around London in their 'Not a Mystery-Machine'.

    It's not rocket science,its the Bond formula that everyone loves.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    It was very anti-climatic....they should have just used Blofeld's crater lair more ,put in a dinner and dialogue and then later in another scene built the tension to verbal sparring between Bond and Blofeld and then a big climactic battle,with Blofeld escaping...London didnt need to be used,Vauxhall Cross didnt need to blow up,and the MI6 Scooby Doo gang didnt need to parade around London in their 'Not a Mystery-Machine'.

    It's not rocket science,its the Bond formula that everyone loves.

    Sounds like a cross between the climaxes of Dr. No and YOLT.
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    Arnt they all ? ...you think it would be worse than we actually got ?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Yeah that was weird when he was crawling and bond was in that abandoned mi6 building and then it crashed down I would have rather it ended in morroco
  • Posts: 19,339
    Yeah that was weird when he was crawling and bond was in that abandoned mi6 building and then it crashed down I would have rather it ended in morroco

    Definately..Blofeld ,as a character,deserved better than that.

  • For me it's not so much the implausibly of the shot, but the fact that it was so anticlimactic. You could give Bond a 50 cal sniper rifle in that scene, and while it would become plausible, it would still be boring.

    This is very true.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    50 cal sniper rifle? Done!
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  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    50 cal sniper rifle? Done!
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    They're going to settle the score once and for all;
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  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    It was probably the weakest climax of the entire series.
  • It's really something how many relatively simple fixes I've read on here that would have made SP a better film.
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