Anthony Horowitz's Bond novel - Forever and a Day

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  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    You can preorder a signed copy from Waterstones, as well as the standard version:

    https://www.waterstones.com/book/forever-and-a-day/anthony-horowitz/9781785174438

    I'm holding off for now in the hope that Horowitz does a reading/signing I can get to...
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    Thanks for that, Agent 99. I like it that you can pick them up from your local Waterstones. Ordered!
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    Apparently no full script at the end of the Waterstone edition :
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    Thanks for the update! Guess it’s safe to order the autographed version?
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    How many editions can we expect of the book? I was quick to pre-order the "standard" edition of Trigger Mortis, but would probably have gone for a different edition had I known beforehand.
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    How many editions can we expect of the book? I was quick to pre-order the "standard" edition of Trigger Mortis, but would probably have gone for a different edition had I known beforehand.

    Definitely the question du jour ?
    PussyNoMore is keeping his powder dry until more details emerge.
    The signed Waterstone's edition is probably done with a stamp. Better to wait as Agent_99 advised for notification of events.
    PussyNoMore sadly doubts that there will be a Bentley edition. With a May launch, it would probably have been publicised by now.
    It is a little unbelievable that they aren't doing something special for the prequel of CR but the machinations of publishers never ceases to amaze Pussy. They all seem to be fully payed up members of the fire, steady, aim marketing club.
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    How many editions can we expect of the book? I was quick to pre-order the "standard" edition of Trigger Mortis, but would probably have gone for a different edition had I known beforehand.

    Definitely the question du jour ?
    PussyNoMore is keeping his powder dry until more details emerge.
    The signed Waterstone's edition is probably done with a stamp. Better to wait as Agent_99 advised for notification of events.
    PussyNoMore sadly doubts that there will be a Bentley edition. With a May launch, it would probably have been publicised by now.
    It is a little unbelievable that they aren't doing something special for the prequel of CR but the machinations of publishers never ceases to amaze Pussy. They all seem to be fully payed up members of the fire, steady, aim marketing club.

    Hm… this is a tricky one. Won't be able to make any signings unless Horowitz go on a signing tour in Norway or something, haha! The signed Waterstone's edition might be the one, then - stamp or no stamp. Still interested to see if another edition comes along.

    Have to agree with the marketing. A CR prequel is a marketing highlight just waiting to be explored. We will probably see more of it when the book is published, but so far, very little coverage.
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    I'd be surprised if Waterstones were advertising falsely signed editions. Is it usual to have these 'stamped' then? Seems a bit underhand to me.
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    I'd be surprised if Waterstones were advertising falsely signed editions. Is it usual to have these 'stamped' then? Seems a bit underhand to me.

    There is a technique that was used for the Le Carre launch whereby the authors signature is replicated. Is it the authors signature - yes. Are they individually signed - no.
    It is becoming quite a common part of Waterstone's campaigns. They are not contravening the advertising standards but are you getting an
    individually signed copy - no.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    I'd be surprised if Waterstones were advertising falsely signed editions. Is it usual to have these 'stamped' then? Seems a bit underhand to me.

    There is a technique that was used for the Le Carre launch whereby the authors signature is replicated. Is it the authors signature - yes. Are they individually signed - no.
    It is becoming quite a common part of Waterstone's campaigns. They are not contravening the advertising standards but are you getting an
    individually signed copy - no.

    It sounds like misrepresentation to me. One to avoid.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    I'd be surprised if Waterstones were advertising falsely signed editions. Is it usual to have these 'stamped' then? Seems a bit underhand to me.

    There is a technique that was used for the Le Carre launch whereby the authors signature is replicated. Is it the authors signature - yes. Are they individually signed - no.
    It is becoming quite a common part of Waterstone's campaigns. They are not contravening the advertising standards but are you getting an
    individually signed copy - no.

    It sounds like misrepresentation to me. One to avoid.

    PussyNoMore understands why you might say this Dragonpol but we have to be clear how we express ourselves regarding this technique.
    Signed they are - every copy bares the author’s signature. Individually signed is something different.
    As Pussy said above, he first encounted it at the Southbank Le Carre evening when every delegate got a copy of his latest pre-signed.
    When Pussy compared the books he noted that they were signed in exactly the same place in exactly the same way. Now maybe Mr Le Carre is unerringly accurate with the repetition and location of his signature ?
    PussyNoMore thinks it’s down to each individual to make their own minds up.

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    I'm missing something here. They're either signed by the author, or not. How can it 'bare the author's signature' if he hasn't signed it?
    I'm not even that bothered about autographs, but if I buy a 'signed edition' of the book, I'd have expected the author to have had his pen on it. Otherwise, that's got to be misrepresentation, surely?
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    I'm missing something here. They're either signed by the author, or not. How can it 'bare the author's signature' if he hasn't signed it?
    I'm not even that bothered about autographs, but if I buy a 'signed edition' of the book, I'd have expected the author to have had his pen on it. Otherwise, that's got to be misrepresentation, surely?
    The book can bare the author’s signature without him having signed each individual copy.
    If you want an individually signed copy, go to an event, buy from an authors website or go to a bookstore like Hatchards.
    The give away is obviously when the signature is completely uniform, is in exactly the same place on each copy and doesn’t smudge.
    PussyNoMore hasn’t seen the Waterstone’s FA&D and therefore can’t comment but Horowitz is a high volume author so it might be best if fans conduct their own investigation.
    How people feel about the practice varies.
    For some they are quite content to have the signature regardless of how it gets there.
    For others they want to know that the author has had his pen on it.
    Others, like PussyNoMore want a dedication and a live signing - there will doubtless be an opportunity to do this at least in London.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    So, all in all, what Horowitz stated with his tweet is that the Waterstone edition won't contain Fleming's original script?
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 859
    Exactcly, and he add : "There might be an edition with the full material. the book hasn't been printed yet" in a Tweet answer : https://twitter.com/CJBFrance/with_replies
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Then, I'll wait for the edition that will include Fleming's script.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 623
    shamanimal wrote: »
    I'm missing something here. They're either signed by the author, or not. How can it 'bare the author's signature' if he hasn't signed it?
    I'm not even that bothered about autographs, but if I buy a 'signed edition' of the book, I'd have expected the author to have had his pen on it. Otherwise, that's got to be misrepresentation, surely?
    The book can bare the author’s signature without him having signed each individual copy.
    If you want an individually signed copy, go to an event, buy from an authors website or go to a bookstore like Hatchards.

    So you think they use a stamp, is that what you're saying? He doesn't sign the books, they get someone to sit there with a pile of them, and a stamp? And the proof of this is the signature is the same in all the books, in the same place?

    I'm sorry I'm labouring the point, but I've just ordered a signed edition of the book and I don't want to be a mug.
    For some they are quite content to have the signature regardless of how it gets there.
    For others they want to know that the author has had his pen on it.
    Others, like PussyNoMore want a dedication and a live signing - there will doubtless be an opportunity to do this at least in London.

    See, here's where it becomes confusing. 'Have the signature' means the book is physically signed. Do you mean some people are quite content to have a stamp of his signature?


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    shamanimal wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    I'm missing something here. They're either signed by the author, or not. How can it 'bare the author's signature' if he hasn't signed it?
    I'm not even that bothered about autographs, but if I buy a 'signed edition' of the book, I'd have expected the author to have had his pen on it. Otherwise, that's got to be misrepresentation, surely?
    The book can bare the author’s signature without him having signed each individual copy.
    If you want an individually signed copy, go to an event, buy from an authors website or go to a bookstore like Hatchards.

    So you think they use a stamp, is that what you're saying? He doesn't sign the books, they get someone to sit there with a pile of them, and a stamp? And the proof of this is the signature is the same in all the books, in the same place?

    I'm sorry I'm labouring the point, but I've just ordered a signed edition of the book and I don't want to be a mug.
    For some they are quite content to have the signature regardless of how it gets there.
    For others they want to know that the author has had his pen on it.
    Others, like PussyNoMore want a dedication and a live signing - there will doubtless be an opportunity to do this at least in London.

    See, here's where it becomes confusing. 'Have the signature' means the book is physically signed. Do you mean some people are quite content to have a stamp of his signature?


    Shamanimal, PussyNoMore has not seen this particular book so can’t comment.
    What he is saying is that if a fan wants an ‘individually signed’ book this route may disappoint.
    PussyNoMore thinks this is clear.

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    Then, I'll wait for the edition that will include Fleming's script.
    With Trigger Mortis, it was Goldsboro books who launched the numbered special edition.

  • edited March 2018 Posts: 623
    The signed Waterstone's edition is probably done with a stamp.
    Shamanimal, PussyNoMore has not seen this particular book so can’t comment.

    Thanks for the response anyway. I'll email Waterstones and see what they say.
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    Jeez! Now I wan't the edition that includes Fleming's script! Hm… looks like there's no other way than to get more than one edition; one with a signature, stamp or whatever, and then another one which hopefully includes the complete script.

    Hope they announce all in time for the release, so you can just order what editions you want, without worrying about there being another edition released later on.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 623
    The Trigger Mortis version with the black cover and Fleming script was available in Waterstones for some months after being published. I still have a spare copy, they were half price! I remember there being a table full of them.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Knowing me, I'll probably buy a copy of just about every edition going. I'm like that. It's a disease of sorts.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 17,756
    shamanimal wrote: »
    The Trigger Mortis version with the black cover and Fleming script was available in Waterstones for some months after being published. I still have a spare copy, they were half price! I remember there being a table full of them.

    Guess if there's a special edition of Forever and a Day, it will be available for some time, even with the «special edition» tag.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Knowing me, I'll probably buy a copy of just about every edition going. I'm like that. It's a disease of sorts.

    Already tempting to buy more than one edition, that's for sure. Will probably get two.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    The Trigger Mortis version with the black cover and Fleming script was available in Waterstones for some months after being published. I still have a spare copy, they were half price! I remember there being a table full of them.

    That's the one I have. Please keep us posted if you locate this new one with the added content; I have to order mine form overseas.

    +1
    Availability of the different editions will be the issue here, as well. Do hope they'll be easy to get; they should be, but you never know.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 623
    There were problems with overseas aficionados getting the special edition. Some of us bought extra copies to send overseas. That's how I still have a spare copy. I'm hoping, if Horowitz does some signings, to get one of the special editions of TM signed. That would be a cool collectable.
    I think this thread is as good a place as any for getting the latest news.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Knowing me, I'll probably buy a copy of just about every edition going. I'm like that. It's a disease of sorts.

    One more edition of Casino Royale and I'll be in double figures. It absolutely is an illness.
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    PussyNoMore has discovered that a limited, numbered edition, signed and with sprayed edges is being offered, for order now and with June delivery, by Goldsboro Books on their web site.
    It’s guaranteed first edition, first run and includes Fleming’s ‘Original Material’.
    Unfortunately, the cover art remains the same but for collectors and those that can’t attend a Horowitz signing this looks like the best option for collectors.
    The Pussy has parted with his hard earned wonga.
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    Waterstones got back to me on the stamp/signature thing, and said they'd never knowingly offer something as signed, that wasn't a real signature. So although we can never be 100% on a posted signature, I think buyers from Waterstones can be confident their signatures aren't stamps.
    The Goldsboro version is also numbered at only 750, I believe.
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    Waterstones got back to me on the stamp/signature thing, and said they'd never knowingly offer something as signed, that wasn't a real signature. So although we can never be 100% on a posted signature, I think buyers from Waterstones can be confident their signatures aren't stamps.
    The Goldsboro version is also numbered at only 750, I believe.

    PussyNoMore thinks that shamanimal is in danger of dancing on the head of a pin with this one.
    The Pussy visited his local Waterstones last week, wearing his Columbo mack and did some detective work.
    They were stocking a number of 'signed' editions and in every instance, the author's signature was in the same place on every copy - the signatures also proved to be smudge proof.
    Now either this is a miracle of accuracy on a par with Bond and his PPK or there is a technical aspect to this.
    Hardbacks are a challenge for retailers. Waterstone's want to differentiate themselves with this and certainly they aren't doing anything illegal. The vast majority of consumers probably aren't concerned about this at all. They probably think the author's signature is the author's signature no matter how it gets there.
    Pussy has another view, he is a collector and a sucker for authenticity. Goldsboro's numbering system guarantees it as does Hatchards which, although owned by Waterstones has a different policy regarding this matter.
    The Goldsboro signed and numbered special edition of TM sells today for about £200. The most that Pussy has seen the Waterstone's signed special edition with Fleming content up for is £60 with most going for considerably less.
    Pussy has bought a Goldsboro and will also buy another at the launch event (all assuming there is one) and have Horowitz dedicate it to Pussy Galore's biggest fan !
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