Anthony Horowitz's Bond novel - Forever and a Day

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  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Reading Trigger Mortis *felt* like Fleming and that's what I am looking for. I liked the novel a lot - the best continuation novel since Colonel Sun. And I am sure Horowitz will base everything on Fleming alone and ignoring everything else ... which is a good thing.
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    I loved Trigger Mortis - great decision to set it back in the 50s and felt, to a degree, Fleming-esque. A small quibble - I think he was guilty a bit of telling rather than showing, particularly with Bond and his attitude to women and settling down - I would prefer his antipathy to settling down and living with a woman to be shown rather than told - Fleming does this magnificently.
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    I wonder of Mr Horowitz takes the trouble to look at fan sites such as MI6 to get a measure of what core literary Bond fans think about his work and where he should be going with his next book?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    stag wrote: »
    I wonder of Mr Horowitz takes the trouble to look at fan sites such as MI6 to get a measure of what core literary Bond fans think about his work and where he should be going with his next book?

    I'm sure that he might. I think that Charlie Higson said that he looked in at CBn when SilverFin was announced/released. The temptation would be there for Mr Horowitz to do so also, although I suppose a general readership/Bond film audience is kept in mind too by the author/publishers/IFP.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Never read TM, was it good?
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    Never read TM, was it good?
    Have you read any of the books?
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    I must reiterate that aside for the scenery description lacking a little which is the same in Coles's books, Trigger Morris was a great Bond continuation novel. :)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    In descriptive sense, no one has ever come close to Fleming and no one will. Contemporary writers have no experience in that department which is one of the reasons there will never be another Agatha Christie, Conan Doyle or Raymond Chandler. But, that said, good storytelling regardless of where your specialty lies in, saves the problem of not being critically panned due to poor imitations of an old writer. Sebastian Faulks, for instance.

    Insert your own specialty into the narrative, tell a good story and that's a success in my honest opinion. It's one of the reasons Anthony Horowitz is one hell of a writer and Trigger Mortis indeed was a fascinating novel to read and enjoy.
  • In descriptive sense, no one has ever come close to Fleming and no one will.
    I know where you are coming from but I'm not sure I.
    The spy genre is populated with great descriptive powers - Le Carre, Philip Kerr and Alan Furst to name but three.
    For me, what set Fleming apart was the combination of his descriptive powers and narrative pace. Writers who are good at describing things can often deliver a slow pace - Le Carre being a case in point.
    Fleming uniquely delivered great descriptive prose but in novels that moved like a rocket.
    IMO Horowitz got the pace right in TM and now needs to focus more on the descriptive element. If he can do that he will really deliver something special.

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    I agree Horowitz got the pace right. Bought TM last year but haven't had a chance to read it until recently when I read it on a transatlantic flight - the 8 hour flight flew by!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I didn't say he didn't get the pace right. He did. And he didn't try to imitate Fleming, which is good. He did his own thing while remaining in the original timeline as well as keeping the characters intact to their source material. That's why Trigger Mortis is great.

    As for Le Carre and the others, let's not forget they come from an era that's in the past, not the present. Haven't read Kerr's work, but I am sure he isn't anything like the Fleming/Le Carre era writers are. I could be wrong big time!
  • Looking ahead it will be interesting to see if the return of the UK publishing rights to Jonathan Cape will give us some decent cover art and a really great collector's edition.

    So fare the recent adult UK continuation hardback novels, with the notable exception of SOLO, have been something of a dog's dinner. DMC & CB were lacklustre and frankly I would have thought the TM artwork more appropriate for a children's novel.

    It was interesting that SOLO came from JC and although I didn't care for what lay between the covers, I thought that Suzanne Dean did a pretty impressive job and I found her design very reminiscent of the late, great Raymond Hawkey's work. Hopefully this means that a return to JC will herald so real creative attention.

    Personally what I would love to see is a return to the halcyon days of oil painted cover art
    and I'd like to see them commission somebody like Gerry Wadsworth (JamesBondArt.Com). He has done some amazing stuff.

    Hopefully they will be inspired by the recent Folio editions of CR & FRWL.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Brian Berley would be a great choice for the next cover IMHO .
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    It would be good if they released Per Fine Ounce. I'm not sure about the whole story behind this but if the novel is unfinished it'd be good if Horowitz would flesh it out and turn it into a full length novel.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Bounine wrote: »
    It would be good if they released Per Fine Ounce. I'm not sure about the whole story behind this but if the novel is unfinished it'd be good if Horowitz would flesh it out and turn it into a full length novel.

    Peter Vollmer already did this in a way with his Per Fine Ounce although of course James Bond does not appear in terms novel for obvious copyright reasons.
  • Dragonpol wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    It would be good if they released Per Fine Ounce. I'm not sure about the whole story behind this but if the novel is unfinished it'd be good if Horowitz would flesh it out and turn it into a full length novel.

    Peter Vollmer already did this in a way with his Per Fine Ounce although of course James Bond does not appear in terms novel for obvious copyright reasons.

    Sorry, PussyNoMore can't vote for this one.
    'Per Fine Ounce' was a synopsis for a Bond novel originally penned by Geoffrey Jenkins (author of the fabulous 'A Twist Of Sand' ) in the '50s as a type of tribute to his friend Ian Fleming with whom he'd worked at 'The Sunday Times'.
    A year after Ian's death, Jenkins did a deal with Gildrose (Fleming's copyright holders) to turn his synopsis into a continuation novel. His completed manuscript was rejected by them and subsequently lost.
    Peter Vollmer, with the agreement of Jenkins' estate used the title and one of Jenkins' characters (not Bond) for his own book.
    Unfortunately the novel he produced - which PussyNoMore has read - can best be described as decidedly mediocre.
    Horowitz's own work, as he has already proved with 'Trigger Mortis' is in a different league altogether and I'm quite sure he doesn't need any sort of inspiration from 'Per Fine Ounce'.
    One thing that can be recommended out of all of this is that every Bond literary aficionado should read ' A Twist Of Sand'. It's an absolute classic.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    It would be good if they released Per Fine Ounce. I'm not sure about the whole story behind this but if the novel is unfinished it'd be good if Horowitz would flesh it out and turn it into a full length novel.

    Peter Vollmer already did this in a way with his Per Fine Ounce although of course James Bond does not appear in terms novel for obvious copyright reasons.

    Sorry, PussyNoMore can't vote for this one.
    'Per Fine Ounce' was a synopsis for a Bond novel originally penned by Geoffrey Jenkins (author of the fabulous 'A Twist Of Sand' ) in the '50s as a type of tribute to his friend Ian Fleming with whom he'd worked at 'The Sunday Times'.
    A year after Ian's death, Jenkins did a deal with Gildrose (Fleming's copyright holders) to turn his synopsis into a continuation novel. His completed manuscript was rejected by them and subsequently lost.
    Peter Vollmer, with the agreement of Jenkins' estate used the title and one of Jenkins' characters (not Bond) for his own book.
    Unfortunately the novel he produced - which PussyNoMore has read - can best be described as decidedly mediocre.
    Horowitz's own work, as he has already proved with 'Trigger Mortis' is in a different league altogether and I'm quite sure he doesn't need any sort of inspiration from 'Per Fine Ounce'.
    One thing that can be recommended out of all of this is that every Bond literary aficionado should read ' A Twist Of Sand'. It's an absolute classic.

    Yes, I have a copy of the Peter Vollmer novel (but have not read it) and have heard that it's not very good at all. Obviously, I'd much prefer the full PFO Geoffrey Jenkins novel published at some stage instead though I am very doubtful about this ever happening sadly, not least because it is lost...
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 859
    Honestly guys : Vollmer's Per Fine Ounce > Horowitz Trigger Mortis.
    The first one is a good surprise, the other disappointing the reader by some points.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/literary-anthony-horowitz-confirms-more-unpublished-ian-fleming-material?t=&s=&id=04195

    According to the article, "Once again Horowitz's book will be based in the 1960s and will feature previously unpublished material by Ian Fleming.", except Trigger Mortis was not set in the 1960s and it makes me wonder whether Horowitz's second book will actually be based in the 1960s or, as another user reported, will be a prequel to Casino Royale.

    "Ian Fleming had written five story outlines for a television series that was never made. It was never made because the film rights were sold and the films were so huge there was, of course, no need for a TV series. Fleming himself used some of these stories he had outlined in the 'For Your Eyes Only' collection of short stories. But there were five others that were discovered quite recently in a 'bottom drawer,' one of which was to do with motor racing which is what I used for 'Trigger Mortis'. There are four more, and I'm going to use one of them, I haven't decided which yet, as an opening chapter or second chapter in the new book."

    This is interesting. I hope we'll eventually get five Bond books by Horowitz, each one based on Fleming's unused stories.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Walecs wrote: »
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/literary-anthony-horowitz-confirms-more-unpublished-ian-fleming-material?t=&s=&id=04195

    According to the article, "Once again Horowitz's book will be based in the 1960s and will feature previously unpublished material by Ian Fleming.", except Trigger Mortis was not set in the 1960s and it makes me wonder whether Horowitz's second book will actually be based in the 1960s or, as another user reported, will be a prequel to Casino Royale.

    "Ian Fleming had written five story outlines for a television series that was never made. It was never made because the film rights were sold and the films were so huge there was, of course, no need for a TV series. Fleming himself used some of these stories he had outlined in the 'For Your Eyes Only' collection of short stories. But there were five others that were discovered quite recently in a 'bottom drawer,' one of which was to do with motor racing which is what I used for 'Trigger Mortis'. There are four more, and I'm going to use one of them, I haven't decided which yet, as an opening chapter or second chapter in the new book."

    This is interesting. I hope we'll eventually get five Bond books by Horowitz, each one based on Fleming's unused stories.

    Me too. That was be a dream come true, and the added Fleming content is just the icing on the cake.
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    By all means, let's make room for more elimination threads and continue to pretend this site isn't flooded with pointless and redundant discussions. Here's one: Why does Moore wear the same bell bottom pants in all of the gun barrel sequences, especially since fashion passed?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    By all means, let's make room for more elimination threads and continue to pretend this site isn't flooded with pointless and redundant discussions. Here's one: Why does Moore wear the same bell bottom pants in all of the gun barrel sequences, especially since fashion passed?

    Not sure what this has top do with this thread.

    On the Moore gunbarrel point, I've noticed that too. I guess the answer is they never renewed it past 1977.
  • edited December 2016 Posts: 4,622
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    It would be good if they released Per Fine Ounce. I'm not sure about the whole story behind this but if the novel is unfinished it'd be good if Horowitz would flesh it out and turn it into a full length novel.

    Peter Vollmer already did this in a way with his Per Fine Ounce although of course James Bond does not appear in terms novel for obvious copyright reasons.

    Sorry, PussyNoMore can't vote for this one.
    'Per Fine Ounce' was a synopsis for a Bond novel originally penned by Geoffrey Jenkins (author of the fabulous 'A Twist Of Sand' ) in the '50s as a type of tribute to his friend Ian Fleming with whom he'd worked at 'The Sunday Times'.
    A year after Ian's death, Jenkins did a deal with Gildrose (Fleming's copyright holders) to turn his synopsis into a continuation novel. His completed manuscript was rejected by them and subsequently lost.
    Peter Vollmer, with the agreement of Jenkins' estate used the title and one of Jenkins' characters (not Bond) for his own book.
    Unfortunately the novel he produced - which PussyNoMore has read - can best be described as decidedly mediocre.
    Horowitz's own work, as he has already proved with 'Trigger Mortis' is in a different league altogether and I'm quite sure he doesn't need any sort of inspiration from 'Per Fine Ounce'.
    One thing that can be recommended out of all of this is that every Bond literary aficionado should read ' A Twist Of Sand'. It's an absolute classic.
    "A Twist of Sand" is on my to-read list, in fact at top, only because @pussy recommends it to Bond lit readers.

    The blurb published by Horowitz re more unused Fleming bottom-drawer material is encouraging.
    Looking forward to the new book.
    Bond lit is in good hands. Along with Horowitz impending work, Cole is cranking out very readable Young Bonds.
    What I would also like is for Eon to hire someone to maybe push out some current-time Bond books, and get back to novelizing screenplays, which stopped with DAD.
    The more Bond lit the merrier. I will happily buy and display on shelf.
    I have the Higson hardcovers in a neat little row, the MP Diaries (only one HC) lined up next, followed by the 4 celebrity-author HC's, followed by the two Cole HC's.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    In a reply on Twitter, Anthony Horowitz said the book will be released in October 2018.

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  • GettlerGettler USA
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    Quite the wait, but it shall be worth it.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Good job Red Snow!

    Now that we have a more precise release date, surely, we should get more teases from Anthony about the plot soon?
  • Something to tide us over to Bond 25 in 2019!
  • RC7RC7
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    Something to tide us over to Bond 25 in 2019!

    You say that...
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    If its comes out and 2020, and it's shit, I'll boycotting future movies :P
  • Wow, was that U.K. only—the special edition?
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