Anthony Horowitz's Bond novel - Forever and a Day

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  • edited June 2018 Posts: 4,622
    BMWTREKPSE wrote: »
    Benson is some of my favorite Bond writing. I really really enjoy it. I have some more books (Fleming) not shown in this picture.
    Good man! Glad to see I’m not alone in liking Benson, as he does have some of my favourite Bond stories as well.

    I can't say Benson wrote any of my favourites, but I'm not a harsh critic. I'll say his 6 original books were all readable enough. They statisfied my Bond appetites at the time. Mind you, expectations weren't super high, as we readers by this time,were well conditioned to the only good-to-adequate offerings of Gardner. Quite readable mind you IMO, but nothing from the Gardner catalogue really jumps out at me.
    I appreciate his efforts though.

    I have read all the continuation novels.
    I've enjoyed them all, well enough.
    The notable exception though being Carte Blanche, which was wrong on so many levels.
    @PussyNoMore 's progression of the 4 celebrity-author offerings does resonate.
    Horowitz has resurrected things.

    My favourite continuation offering is the Pearson book and then I jump ahead to the Moneypenny Diaries trilogy, and the recent 4-book run of Steve Cole Young Bonds, which have our hero more developed and recognizable than the earlier Higson books.

    = On another note it does seem the only available copies of the new book here in the colonies, are via mail from England.
    It doesn't seem anything will be available in Canada until November.
    As I mentioned though, Amazon does have the affiliation with Blackwell's of Oxford.
    I like Blackwell's shipping. You get a nice letter with the book plus one of their official bookmarks

    I do like receiving my first edition Bond hardcovers, signed and from an official English bookseller, rather than something issued here later.
    The Waterstones edition would be best, with the added Fleming material, but I do like Blackwells.
    Looking forward to getting another collectible bookmark, and hopefully another signed edition.
  • Agent_99 wrote: »
    Either, Faulks went down the pub and all his literati mates had a huge belly laugh at his expense because he was writing a Bond book. He couldn't hack it so he raced home and sabotaged the manuscript.

    Must have been it. This is the man who said asking him to write Bond was like asking someone who writes complex symphonic music if they would like to write a three-minute pop song - which led me, for one, to read his offering in a less generous mood than I might otherwise have done.

    (Birdsong doesn't deserve all the plaudits it got either, IMHO.)

    I think the explanation is simpler. Faulks read how Fleming wrote his novels in a relatively short time. He "adapted" the technique and thought that was all it took.

    Fleming did write in a relatively short amount of time. He had worked at Reuters, a news service, where you learn to write fast.

    However, that applied to Fleming's *first drafts.* Once he was back in London from Jamaica, he rewrote, revised, etc. I've seen some of his manuscripts. Fleming wrote revisions in long hand.

    Speculation: Faulks thought he "wrote like Fleming did" for first drafts and thought that was all there was to it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Amis, Gardner, Faulks, Deaver, Horowitz-none of them reach Fleming s ankles. Only Wood did that. Haven t read any of the others, so cannot comment.
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    There is a great panel discussion about FAAD on a Spybrary.com podcast that is well worth a listen. They do a great ‘spoiler free’ assessment of the book.
    Spybrary is a great site and has become PussyNoMore’s go to destination for spy literature appreciation and news.
  • edited June 2018 Posts: 17,756
    There is a great panel discussion about FAAD on a Spybrary.com podcast that is well worth a listen. They do a great ‘spoiler free’ assessment of the book.
    Spybrary is a great site and has become PussyNoMore’s go to destination for spy literature appreciation and news.

    Never heard about that site/podcast before. Thanks for sharing!
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    I also recommend the Spybrary podcast - I'm actually listening to one at this moment!
  • BMWTREKPSEBMWTREKPSE Colorado
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    I would love a 'grafic novel' version of this book. If there are any artist here, let's see your FAAD works!
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    Speculation: Faulks thought he "wrote like Fleming did" for first drafts and thought that was all there was to it.

    PussyNoMore thinks that at heart Faulks found this Bond stuff intellectually a bit silly but he didn’t find the cheque silly at all.
    In truth, as the ghosts who haunt this cyber hall know, to walk in another man’s footsteps for 200+ pages without slipping whilst, at the same time, being creative and original in terms of plot, requires enormous concentration. You have to be a writer who is also a fan to want to do it. You also have to keep your own ego under control.
    The Pussy says the ghosts know because one slip regarding tone or Bond lore and they will rightly pull you up on it.
    In PussyNoMore’s not so humble opinion, Faulks was a Bond writer who was not a fan. Boyd was a fan but let his own ego run riot by trying to turn Bond into a Le Carre/Graham Greene type character.
    Happily Horowitz is a writer who is also a genuine fan who does his damnedest to deliver in the style of Fleming.

  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    There is a great panel discussion about FAAD on a Spybrary.com podcast that is well worth a listen. They do a great ‘spoiler free’ assessment of the book.
    Spybrary is a great site and has become PussyNoMore’s go to destination for spy literature appreciation and news.

    Thanks, enjoyed listening to that.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Having just finished FAAD, I really enjoyed it... I didn't LOVE it like I was hoping to, but I did really like it. My hopes were CR/FRWL level high so that's tough to deliver on. It was on par with TM, in some ways a little better.

    I hope and expect Fleming estate to ask him for a third and at this point, might contract for two or three... I also hope it's not a three year wait. He's very prolific, so if asked, that wouldn't be a problem.
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    ... I also hope it's not a three year wait. He's very prolific, so if asked, that wouldn't be a problem.

    PussyNoMore agrees with the good Doctor. A three year wait is to be avoided at all costs.
    Horowitz continuing is very desirable but, if for whatever reason that doesn't work, The Pussy is very relaxed about Charlie Higson sharpening his pencil.
    He did a great job on 'Young Bond'.

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    BMWTREKPSE wrote: »
    After a 2 week shipping delay my copy Of 'Forever And A Day' finally arrived!

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    Very nice collection there. Where did you pick up that copy of Colonel Sun?
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    It’s the first edition?
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    ... I also hope it's not a three year wait. He's very prolific, so if asked, that wouldn't be a problem.

    PussyNoMore agrees with the good Doctor. A three year wait is to be avoided at all costs.
    Horowitz continuing is very desirable but, if for whatever reason that doesn't work, The Pussy is very relaxed about Charlie Higson sharpening his pencil.
    He did a great job on 'Young Bond'.

    I've never read Higson... I can't say I like the idea of young Bond stories in the first place, but I'm glad to hear they're well written... I may have to break down and give one a shot.
  • BMWTREKPSEBMWTREKPSE Colorado
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    ... I also hope it's not a three year wait. He's very prolific, so if asked, that wouldn't be a problem.

    PussyNoMore agrees with the good Doctor. A three year wait is to be avoided at all costs.
    Horowitz continuing is very desirable but, if for whatever reason that doesn't work, The Pussy is very relaxed about Charlie Higson sharpening his pencil.
    He did a great job on 'Young Bond'.

    I've never read Higson... I can't say I like the idea of young Bond stories in the first place, but I'm glad to hear they're well written... I may have to break down and give one a shot.

    I have read 4 of the Young Bond books and I will admit, I don't LOVE them. I read them to get my Bond fix, but it doesn't quite do it for me. Some of the stories are OK but at times I feel they are a bit too 'tweeny' for my liking.

    I don't want to break your spirits, check them our if you are interested, but they aren't my favorite.
  • BMWTREKPSEBMWTREKPSE Colorado
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    vzok wrote: »
    BMWTREKPSE wrote: »
    After a 2 week shipping delay my copy Of 'Forever And A Day' finally arrived!

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    Very nice collection there. Where did you pick up that copy of Colonel Sun?

    Thank you! I found it at a used book store for $5.99. Pretty good find!!

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  • Posts: 4,622
    My Blackwell's of Oxford copy of FAAD arrived today. Quick delivery from Jolly Old. Less than a week.
    Alas, it is not a signed copy. They did ship signed copies of the recent 4-title run of Steve Cole Young Bonds.

    But they did send nice thank-you letter on official letterhead. Very English!
    And, joy!!! Another Blackwell's official Vintage Edition bookmark.
    "originally designed and distributed between 1887-1918"
    Another treasured keepsake.
    Blackwells is on Broad Street in Oxford, part of Trinity College.
    To know that my copy has such famous origins, and that it was handled by actual Oxford booksellers is awe-inspiring.
    I may employ reading gloves.
    Let the adventure begin.
    Chapter One: Killing By Numbers

    Timmer is hunkered down
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Does it include the photocopied Fleming in the back?

    No, I think that's a Waterstones exclusive!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    timmer wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Does it include the photocopied Fleming in the back?

    No, I think that's a Waterstones exclusive!

    So completely worthless, then.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Way to be a douche
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    Way to be a douche

    Very meta.
  • BMWTREKPSEBMWTREKPSE Colorado
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  • edited June 2018 Posts: 4,622
    timmer wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Does it include the photocopied Fleming in the back?

    No, I think that's a Waterstones exclusive!

    So completely worthless, then.

    Yes, but about half the price of shipping a Waterstones edition.
    Also I do like dealing with Blackwell's and having official English print editions at good price.
    Until recently my entire Bond HC collection were pretty much Canadian print editions.

    But yes it's the Waterstones editions that have the value appreciation potential.
    You collectors
    Keep them mint!

    Maybe next time I'll splurge.
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    BMWTREKPSE wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »

    Thank you! I found it at a used book store for $5.99. Pretty good find!!

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    Love the Dali influence on the cover. My copy doesn't look as good, though :

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    BMWTREKPSE wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    BMWTREKPSE wrote: »
    After a 2 week shipping delay my copy Of 'Forever And A Day' finally arrived!

    7KcKxcZ.jpg

    Very nice collection there. Where did you pick up that copy of Colonel Sun?

    Thank you! I found it at a used book store for $5.99. Pretty good find!!

    6gKqaKW.jpg
    MJjhXBj.jpg
    rQvYDTq.jpg
    9mjw519.jpg
    EatmlyP.jpg
    EOB5Tc8.jpg
    tTzCRTI.jpg

    Fabulous artwork. Tom Adams did a fabulous job. It is extremely Daliesque and was a great development after Chopping. PussyNoMore loves it to bits and is lucky enough to have a JC first edition that is in pristine condition. He guards it with his life.
    Whatever happend to great cover art ?

  • Posts: 520
    timmer wrote: »
    timmer wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Does it include the photocopied Fleming in the back?

    No, I think that's a Waterstones exclusive!

    So completely worthless, then.

    Yes, but about half the price of shipping a Waterstones edition.
    Also I do like dealing with Blackwell's and having official English print editions at good price.
    Until recently my entire Bond HC collection were pretty much Canadian print editions.

    But yes it's the Waterstones editions that have the value appreciation potential.
    You collectors
    Keep them mint!

    Maybe next time I'll splurge.

    Worry not timmer. You have done just fine.
    The only one that will appreciate significantly is the Goldsboro numbered and signed editions.
    The Waterstone's edition is way too widely printed to have value. It was a very significant run.
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    Ah yes, the Goldsboro editions.

    Meantime, I consider the Blackwell's replica vintage bookmark to be priceless! :)
  • BMWTREKPSEBMWTREKPSE Colorado
    edited June 2018 Posts: 105
    BMWTREKPSE wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    BMWTREKPSE wrote: »
    After a 2 week shipping delay my copy Of 'Forever And A Day' finally arrived!

    7KcKxcZ.jpg

    Very nice collection there. Where did you pick up that copy of Colonel Sun?

    Thank you! I found it at a used book store for $5.99. Pretty good find!!

    6gKqaKW.jpg
    MJjhXBj.jpg
    rQvYDTq.jpg
    9mjw519.jpg
    EatmlyP.jpg
    EOB5Tc8.jpg
    tTzCRTI.jpg

    Fabulous artwork. Tom Adams did a fabulous job. It is extremely Daliesque and was a great development after Chopping. PussyNoMore loves it to bits and is lucky enough to have a JC first edition that is in pristine condition. He guards it with his life.
    Whatever happend to great cover art ?

    Nice Pussy! Can you post pictures? @PussyNoMore
  • edited June 2018 Posts: 623
    timmer wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Does it include the photocopied Fleming in the back?

    No, I think that's a Waterstones exclusive!

    So completely worthless, then.


    It's a first edition Bond hardback. And a good one, at that!

    Enjoy, timmer!

  • Posts: 4,622
    It's worth exactly 18.99 English pound symbol.
    Says so right on it. I love that's it got official English pricing on it.
    If a Canadian printing ever emerges, phttt. No thanks. Authentic English first editions only, thank you.
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