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Anthony Horowitz's Bond novel - Forever and a Day

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  • moneyofpropre2moneyofpropre2 France
    edited January 2017 Posts: 859
    Incomprehensible, this should have benn inlude in every editions (especially when you promote your're books with a fucking "with original material by Ian Fleming" in the cover). I say it here : If anyone can provide a scan/photos of the seven page, I'm ready to give him a little something worth in PM.
  • kenhelmkenhelm
    Posts: 19
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Yes, released by Orion books. I think that it was a limited print. Luckily for me, being in the US, Mrcoggins had reserved two copies.
    Could you tell us the ISBN of this particular edition?
  • PussyNoMorePussyNoMore
    Posts: 520
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Waterstones is I guess the name of the subsidiary publisher.

    Yes, a copy of Fleming's script 'Murder On Wheels' is included in the first edition 'Waterstones Exclusive'.
    PussyNoMore got one on the launch evening signed by Horowitz.
    PussyNoMore can't understand why IFP doesn't do something special for the aficionados when it comes to first/special editions?
    Surely if they took advance orders via their own web site it would allow the publisher to print to order and do something really incredible like the Bentley 'Casino Royale' edition.
    The marketing of the books is all a bit fire, steady aim. Shame really.


  • shamanimalshamanimal
    edited January 2017 Posts: 623
    I've got two copies of the special edition. At one point, I was looking at a whole stack of them in Waterstones, and I thought 'I should buy these up as an investment'. But I didn't, because I thought it'd be a shame if some Bond fans came in the shop and wouldn't get their books because I was being greedy.
    Which makes me sound like a really nice guy - but I must admit - I still sometimes wish I'd have scooped up ten copies. I'd have got my £150 back many-fold in a few years time.
  • shamanimalshamanimal
    Posts: 623
    I just had a look at my Trigger Mortis special edition, and it was half price!

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    I reckon it was less than a tenner then. I bet they're collectible already.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
    Posts: 3,144
    PussyNoMore wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Waterstones is I guess the name of the subsidiary publisher.

    Yes, a copy of Fleming's script 'Murder On Wheels' is included in the first edition 'Waterstones Exclusive'.
    PussyNoMore got one on the launch evening signed by Horowitz.
    PussyNoMore can't understand why IFP doesn't do something special for the aficionados when it comes to first/special editions?
    Surely if they took advance orders via their own web site it would allow the publisher to print to order and do something really incredible like the Bentley 'Casino Royale' edition.
    The marketing of the books is all a bit fire, steady aim. Shame really.


    As did I at the launch in piccadilly think I may well of seen you PNM
  • PussyNoMorePussyNoMore
    Posts: 520
    The Book Bond is claiming that Deaver was approached to do a second Bond novel.
    Evidently he refused because he didn't like the creative oversight or the financial split.
    If true, PussyNoMore thinks we've had a lucky escape. No fan could have taken any more of his tosh!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    PussyNoMore wrote: »
    The Book Bond is claiming that Deaver was approached to do a second Bond novel.
    Evidently he refused because he didn't like the creative oversight or the financial split.
    If true, PussyNoMore thinks we've had a lucky escape. No fan could have taken any more of his tosh!
    We dodged a bullet there, indeed.

    I mean, Carte Blanche had some interesting concepts, but his sensitive nonsensical persona he injected to his metrosexual Bond is something we don't need in our spy.

    But, that said, I prefer Deaver over Boyd any day.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    I recently discovered that I had somehow missed Carte Blanche, so now I have a copy from a charity shop.

    And, suddenly, a great deal of apprehension about actually reading it.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    PussyNoMore wrote: »
    The Book Bond is claiming that Deaver was approached to do a second Bond novel.
    Evidently he refused because he didn't like the creative oversight or the financial split.
    If true, PussyNoMore thinks we've had a lucky escape. No fan could have taken any more of his tosh!

    Yes, saw that this morning in my email subscription feed. Interesting news.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    I am sad Deaver didn't continue as I found solo bad and Trigger Mortis just ok half way through my reread of Carte Blanche and I am enjoying it far more then either book
  • PussyNoMorePussyNoMore
    Posts: 520
    Agent_99 wrote: »
    I recently discovered that I had somehow missed Carte Blanche, so now I have a copy from a charity shop.

    And, suddenly, a great deal of apprehension about actually reading it.

    Think of it from a positive perspective, you did something good and gave money to a worthy. cause and thus far you haven't wasted your time reading it.You can return it and let some other poor unsuspecting individual take the pain.

    PussyNoMore was not so lucky. He payed the full hardback cover price on the day it was published and the completist in him obliged him to read it from cover to cover. It was worse than Benson and we are not talking about Hedges.

    How IFP could consider commissioning another outing with this politically correct, Oakley Sunglasses wearing piece of Americana has PussyNoMore scratching his well coiffured head.

    Happily we have the new one from our man Horowitz to look forward to.

  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    PussyNoMore wrote: »
    PussyNoMore was not so lucky. He payed the full hardback cover price on the day it was published and the completist in him obliged him to read it from cover to cover. It was worse than Benson and we are not talking about Hedges.

    Ouch!

    I almost picked up one of Benson's novels in my local charity shop on Saturday, before remembering that I had in fact donated it the previous week. So that was a pretty forgettable experience.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I hope once again they release a special edition that includes Fleming's original treatment. Thanks to @Mrcoggins I have the one for TRIGGER MORTIS, with Fleming's MURDER ON WHEELS included. I never thought that I would find unread Fleming Bond, but here it is. Even if it's only seven pages.

    +1. I have it too.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    PussyNoMore wrote: »
    PussyNoMore was not so lucky. He payed the full hardback cover price on the day it was published and the completist in him obliged him to read it from cover to cover. It was worse than Benson and we are not talking about Hedges.

    Ouch!

    I almost picked up one of Benson's novels in my local charity shop on Saturday, before remembering that I had in fact donated it the previous week. So that was a pretty forgettable experience.

    Ha ha, which one was it?

    I'm too much of a fanatic to give anyway Bond lit away!
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    jeez it seems all my favorite authors are being thrown in the garbage lol if I had to rank them

    1. Fleming (the man wasn't prefect but he invented the character the world and did an amazing job)
    2. Benson (I once talked to the author on Facebook only to find he was a straight a Jackass but oh well loved all his books)
    3. Amis (colonel sun is just THAT good)
    4. Deaver (really enjoying the reread of Carte Blanche
    5. Gardner (one novel Win Lose or Die was great the rest of his series I have read so far come off just ok)
    6. Horrowitz (Trigger is ok not great not bad just ok)
    7. Faulks (I threw the book across the room it was sop bad)
    8. Boyd (GOOD GOD solo was so boring)

    I haven't read either of Wood's novelizations Pearson's book or the young bond books/moneypenny diaries (though I own one of the latter) Currently I am on a reread of Carte Blanche and enjoying it of course it's not perfect but I find it far more enjoyable then either book that came after (yes I put Carte Blanche over Trigger Mortis)

    I will pick up Horrowitz second book day of likely as at least his last book was vaguely enjoyable in parts (but if we get more of Bond and his women drama that amounts to nothing for the first half of the book I am done)

    I do wish Deaver did a series of Modern Bonds or maybe Daniel Silva (his last name is the same as one of the more loved villains in recent years he HAS to write a bond novel lol) I realize I am in the minority here (this love of keeping bond in the 50's when even Fleming had Bond change to the times instead of staying stagnant is ridiculous to say the least but sigh)
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Dragonpol wrote: »

    Ha ha, which one was it?

    I'm too much of a fanatic to give anyway Bond lit away!

    I can't remember :P No, it was The Man with the Red Tattoo.

    I'm normally the same as you about hanging on to Bond, but I make occasional exceptions. If the cover design had been remotely attractive, I might have hung on to it...
  • timmertimmer
    edited April 2017 Posts: 4,622
    I would love to see some modern Bond lit, stories set in the present, but absolutely not from Deaver.
    He actually did give Bond a pc bent. It was frightening. Very odd to read, plus he obsessed with twists and turns, like he was writing a whodunnit.
    The finish was awful with it's tedious reveals.
    CB is the worst Bond book ever.
    All the others have some merit at least,even Faulks and Cole, but Deaver's effort is bonfire material.

    Because of CB I could never bring myself to read anything else by this author.

    But we are in good hands now with Horowitz handling adult Bond, and Steve Cole putting out very readable Young Bonds.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    timmer wrote: »
    Very odd to read, plus he obsessed with twists and turns, like he was writing a whodunnit.
    The finish was awful with it's tedious reveals.

    Yeah, that was my impression of CB: endless twists upon twists, and the worst of it was that most of the time the reveals proved the least exciting option. Like when
    you thought Severine was involved in some plot to annihilate millions and it turns out he just likes to creep out over dead people in a museum or whatever it was.
    As you say, it just grew tedious, this constant reader manipulation with no reward. Is this seriously how the guy writes his own mysteries? To top it all off there was nothing engrossing or appealing about the prose either. No artistry in the crafting of a sentence or the selection of words. Boyd—for all of how boring Solo became in Washington D.C.—at least managed to write his prose like someone who enjoys literature. Unfortunately (or fortunately?), my paperback copy of CB became hopelessly water-damaged and I have no intention of shilling out the six or seven bucks to replace it.

    I'm looking forward to Horowitz's next novel. His first was a pretty promising combination of quality prose and exciting narrative. That said, I don't think I was as wowed by Trigger Mortis as many were. It was quite lacking in the originality department between our Colonel Sun-inspired villain, Jason Sin, and the Gardner-esque set pieces like the German castle and the underground train finale; even the motel shootout felt like a page taken from Gardner. Hopefully Horowitz keeps up the quality of his prose for his sophomore effort while branching into less been there, done that territory.
  • PussyNoMorePussyNoMore
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    Although PussyNoMore can agree that there was some box ticking with TM and it May not of scaled the heights of Amis's CS, it was a great effort and way ahead of the other pretenders.
    Horowitz has shown that he is capable of wonderful things.
    For many Holmes fans (PussyNoMore included) he scored a ten with 'House Of Silk'. It was seriously good and up there with 'The Hound Of The Baskerviilles'.
    In PussyNoMore's not so humble opinion, TM was maybe Horowitz's Goldfinger and his next one could be his FRWL.
    If the rumour is correct and next years effort will be a prequel to CR (something that he let slip in an early interview) then this would take him onto original turf and allow him to really stretch out.
    We know that he is concerned to give his Bond books the 'elan' of the modern thriller and in his head, this could mean, 'action'. If so, maybe this is the mistake because this is the domain of the movies rather than the books.
    Make it dark would be PussyNoMore's advice - CR type dark. More Benzedrine for Mr Bond and no condoms please we are not politically correct metrosexuals!
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    i never finished CARTE BLANCHE - not because of quality, just not had time or a desire to finish it (i am difficult when it comes to reading books).. but i do remember thinking that for a 21st Century Bond, set in the contemporary obviously, that it wasn't that bad... the beginning was good, as was the bit with him escaping the controlled demolition of an old building (a bit that i believed was lifted for the ending of SP), and also him tracking a supposed bomb threat through the Dubai streets.... the only part i didn't care for was his whole ruse of pretending to be this other person - and that disguise came with a backup (fake) office incase the villain decided to check up on him randomly... eh, that was a bit much.. but everything up to that point was pretty good..

    IMO, i would like to see new Bond novels set in there here and now, rather than back during the cold war... i mean christ - we are almost reaching a new watershed mark when it comes to nuclear provocation in today's political climate - what better time to need James Bond than now.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    i never finished CARTE BLANCHE - not because of quality, just not had time or a desire to finish it (i am difficult when it comes to reading books).. but i do remember thinking that for a 21st Century Bond, set in the contemporary obviously, that it wasn't that bad... the beginning was good, as was the bit with him escaping the controlled demolition of an old building (a bit that i believed was lifted for the ending of SP), and also him tracking a supposed bomb threat through the Dubai streets.... the only part i didn't care for was his whole ruse of pretending to be this other person - and that disguise came with a backup (fake) office incase the villain decided to check up on him randomly... eh, that was a bit much.. but everything up to that point was pretty good..

    IMO, i would like to see new Bond novels set in there here and now, rather than back during the cold war... i mean christ - we are almost reaching a new watershed mark when it comes to nuclear provocation in today's political climate - what better time to need James Bond than now.

    Wasn't that Solo? Or is that something that was in both?
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    it could be both.. havent picked up Solo yet... i just remember him having this cover name / occupation of a salesman of sorts (i think - a business man at the very least, its been a while since i read the book).. anyway, the villain gets suspicious of Bond, and checks up at his supposed place of business, when he arrives - Bond's fellow agents, are all dressed up as office workers, helping to make Bond look legit enough until the villain leaves...... it just seemed like a bit too much.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    edited April 2017 Posts: 6,844
    HASEROT wrote: »
    it could be both.. havent picked up Solo yet... i just remember him having this cover name / occupation of a salesman of sorts (i think - a business man at the very least, its been a while since i read the book).. anyway, the villain gets suspicious of Bond, and checks up at his supposed place of business, when he arrives - Bond's fellow agents, are all dressed up as office workers, helping to make Bond look legit enough until the villain leaves...... it just seemed like a bit too much.

    Hmm, I guess I don't remember either Carte Blanche or Solo too well. I seem to recall Bond renting a room or an office from which to spy on a building across the way, and then using some kind of cover/alias to enter said building in Solo. Could be misremembering, but I thought that's what you were referring to. I don't recall the salesman stuff in CB, but I believe it. That was a pretty long book.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    I honestly can't remember much about Devil May Care, Carte Blance or Solo. They all must have been pretty forgettable.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    as I am rereading this yes Bond pretends to be Eugene Allen I believe so he get close to Hydt...


    again the reread is really fun
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited April 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Devil May Care could've easily narrated itself without including Bond. That's what I remember my impression of it being. The only thing I liked about it was the inclusion of a female 00. Didn't like the Afghanistan setting at all, but that's least of the problems.

    Solo bored me to death I gave the book away as soon as I finished it.

    Carte Blanche, as I said, had interesting concepts but Bond was characterized way too wrongfully. Deaver did say back then it wasn't going to be Fleming's Bond, but he gave the spy an interpretation that I couldn't bear. A Bond you'd see played by David Beckham to suit his needs and persona. Glad he didn't do any further. But, the Steele Cartridge epilogue was a great one with Bond's mother turning out to be a spy-hunter killed by the Soviets to stop her from exposing KGB moles within the MI-6.

    Trigger Mortis was okay. I'm with @Risico007 on this one. It's great and all, but tad too overglorified. Nevertheless, I like Horowitz and I'm glad he's coming back. After all, TM was just the start.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    ^ Well, that's always something!
  • BounineBounine
    edited December 2017 Posts: 2,599
    First draft finished!



    Merry Christmas and a Happy literary 007 2018!

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