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Now, How is the authoritarian 'left' different than the authoritarian 'right'? Or Is it?
I'm not seeing a clear difference except for on abortion & gays...
http://factmyth.com/understanding-the-american-political-left-and-right/
Ita amazing, how you turn out to be knowledgeable and intelligent with Turner out of the game in this topic. I always thought, you were and were just playing with us. Maybe you don't even care about the guy and just use him to raise some hell, eh? ;)
I simply meant that after reading your post I understand your point of view.
I must say I agree. It's news to me that someone other than a mod can lay down rules. I thought we set our own parameters and, so long as the subject in hand was adhered to (the title suggests a wide ranging discussion anyway) and decency maintained we were free to speak?
There's nothing to stop him closing this one a whim too if he feels so inclined or if he doesn't like the direction it's going in, despite some active participants asking him not to. If anyone is concerned about that as I am, you may want to think about whether you should waste your time and effort posting here.
Feel free to let me know if any of you want to start another political discussion thread which we can be assured won't be closed. I'll certainly participate actively in that one, as I did the original American Election thread (but as I said, I will continue to quote from that original thread when the subject matter pertains to discussion that we were having there before it was shut down).
Has anybody read, that Bernie Sanders will help Trump going after the kartell, in cheaper medication and higher costs for companies going abroad etc? I only have German links.
http://www.msn.com/de-de/nachrichten/politik/bernie-sanders-bläst-zum-klassenkampf/ar-AAkvXwY?li=BBqg6Q9
I've seen this sort of thing on another forum so can confirm what you are saying is accurate. In that instance someone opened a political discussion thread and laid down a set of rules thus giving him the ability to steer the direction of the 'discussion' (though it wasn't really a discussion) to suit his own agenda.
Just for clarities sake let me set my own stall out. I am a proud Brexiteer who actively campaigned during the referendum campaign. IMHO the best thing Trump has done - even before he has come into office - is to send the ruling EU elite into panic mode.
What transpires in Italy next month and France, Germany and Holland next year will make for interesting debate indeed.
I recall your comments on the Brexit thread and am glad it worked out as you wanted. The intricacies of navigating the exit is going to be tricky, and fraught with political risks. I have confidence May can pull it off however, and Trump's win will give her cover.
I look forward to discussing with you and others, and hope we can do it openly without any impingement by mods or thread owners. My preference would be on another thread as the credibility of this one is questionable at the outset, but if it must be here, then so be it.
Very much agreed and I sure hope, Germany is smart enough to send Merkel, where she belongs, which is NOT as head of our country. Trump is a sign and I just love the panic mode, he send them into. They will try to hinder him - even coming into office - with all their strength and maybe they succeed, BUT, what he stands for, which is voting AGAINST, what the Americans were told, cannot be undone, same for the Brits. They were the first to stand up against the plan to unite us all furthermore, so an even smaller group has ALL the power. They are trying get that water in one hand, that money doesn't exist anymore and many things more, Oh, lets talk about chips. That's real nice one. All of that and many more such plans, being in the making BTW, totally give them the control over about everything and leaves us with no rights AT ALL!
...and don't even start with conspiracy theories, because that would really how naive you are.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-asia-trade-idUSKBN13F01G
Agreed. It's just not possible.
Wish it was but it's not going to happen.
You can re name it whatever you want but this will not work, you'll get your typical republican bashers.
Some of you don't seem to get my sense of humour, and that's okay. I started this thread, but the thread is not mine. It's everybody's here. When I act bossy, it's usually with my tongue in my cheek (Yeah, I'm a cheeky bastid).
All that to say, take this thread wherever you all want to, just please do it with intelligence and remember we're only sharing/challenging opinions here and not saving/destroying the world or anything.
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+1 on all points. No one was getting heated, either here or in the other one (which was closed without explanation and for no good reason) and to suggest that members cannot engage in debate on important issues without resorting to insults is in itself an insult. I really expected better here and am disappointed not to see it. With this in mind I too withdraw from this thread. Just to add however that to allow this thread (or indeed any threads) to be 'managed' by anyone but a mod is not a good idea.
I suppose the removal of Germanlady and now myself from this thread may be seen as a victory for some however that same 'victory' is Pyrrhic in its nature.
Meanwhile - and because of what has been said - this thread will either wither on the vine or deteriorate into a mutual appreciation society.
Roger and out.
One thing Obama did improve on from the Bush era was normalisation of relations with Iran. I truly hope that the Trump administration keeps this progress in motion. This could be problematic with Trump's anti-Muslim rhetoric over the campaign. And as relations with Russia improve I expect that relations with largely Muslim countries will decline. Especially in light of the 'Muslim database' becoming a talking point. Something that Trump proudly proposed then seem to backtrack on - as is his wont.
Sorry to seem so not-optimistic...
@DarthDimi, it may be 'political nonsense' to some, but not all members. Some of us know how to have respectful discussions on topics that interest us, including politics, and have demonstrated that on numerous occasions on numerous threads. You've already indicated that it's not your cup of tea and I respect that. I would appreciate you explaining to me why you allowed this thread moderator to close the prior thread (you can PM me if you'd like). I would have hoped that you would have considered the interests and comments of other members on that thread who were contributing in good faith. He may have created it, but others kept it alive.
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So no more hippie-song vids and pictures of girls.
Damn!
Much depends on the Republicans keeping the house. If they can - then they will be able to enact their agenda. For the most part the make up of his team are tactical decisions - Romney would be a good move because, wildly, he would be seen as moderate. Pence's appointment has always been to placate the evangelical faction. Gingrich would be good because he is as Republican establishment as it gets - so he would be a good filter for the 'drain Washington' mission. Mattis seems like a safe bet for def sec. However Pompeo to lead the CIA is more likely to meet with questions when needing senate confirmation. Especially considering his stance on torture. But he has Trump's backing on this who doesn't think waterboarding is strong enough and wants tougher methods in place.
But Trump will have his own appointments to keep him isolated - these are Bannon and Kushner. Now, just as matter of common sense a leader needs to surround himself with a mixture of people but he needs loyal members who will have his back and I believe Kushner, and to a lesser extent Bannon (who like Trump is at his heart a capitalist opportunist), represent the best people to protect Trump's interests.
I think one thing I do like is the concept that the president should stand as a moral or ethical figure has well and truly vanished. That much is clear. So I hope the idea of that is eradicated for good, because it was a bogus construct in the first place, considering the contradictory and sometimes bigoted character of former presidents. At least with Trump this lie has been laid bare.
Good analysis above that, BTW.