Analyzing the Transition of Power After The U.S. Election and Beyond Into Future Global Politics

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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    And this just made me smile. When Trump visits the UK, wouldn't it be nice if ...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    The "terrorists" don't need to ever attack the U.S. again...all they needed was to create FEAR, and the U.S. would quickly come unglued and destroy itself from the inside.

    (And this very idea was why SF was such a great film. Silva had MI6 afraid to the point that even Q was freaking out: "He had it all planned.")
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Fear. They drive it, it serves them.

    Here is this. Just ... how graceless and tactless Trump can be.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited January 2017 Posts: 12,480
    So ... the State Department has been told by the Trump administration not to answer questions from Congress? This will not end well.
    (Or rather, good for us that it finally is coming to this ... forcing Congress to wake up and take action)


  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    A little I Love Lucy to make us smile ...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, the acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, has just been fired.
    Dana Boente, U.S. atty for Eastern District of Virginia has been named as her replacement.




    This one has the statement from the White House in it; scroll down ...


    I am glad she spoke up the way she did, though.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited January 2017 Posts: 12,480
    Hmmm. Things leaking, and it will soon be about the leakiest sieve ever, this administration. And it has been a little over a week. Just ... well, just think about that.

    This first link starts out saying, "House Rs have talked non-stop since Nov. 8 about reasserting their 'Article I authority.' Pretty sure this isn't what they had in mind:"


    more on this:






    Things are moving lightning fast now with Trump and Bannon. Wheels coming up, leaving the runway ...
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Yes, the acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, has just been fired.
    Dana Boente, U.S. atty for Eastern District of Virginia has been named as her replacement.




    This one has the statement from the White House in it; scroll down ...


    I am glad she spoke up the way she did, though.

    Note the statement: what a bunch of children running the White House.
  • Posts: 1,009
    latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-sykes-talk-radio-2017-story.html

    Look, as they say on TV Tropes (if you know that site, don't hesitat to ask me if you don't), a "heel realization". Now this guy is trying to atone for creating Trump voters. We've seen it on countless novels and movies, but this is real stuff!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    That is interesting, @bigladiesman, thanks. A strong conservative who took on Trump before the election and who lost his radio show conservative audience because of that, as well as some longtime associates. He stuck to what he felt was the right thing to do.

    This article says in part:
    Sykes, who broadcast for 23 years before ending his radio show, gained national notice in March when an unwitting Trump called into his radio program a week before the Republican primary. “Here in Wisconsin we value things like civility, decency and actual conservative principles,” Sykes said by way of welcome, implying Trump lacked all three.

    For the next 16 minutes, a polite but persistent Sykes prodded the GOP front-runner about his history of supporting Democrats, his disparagement of women and “playground” behavior. “Do you ever apologize?" Sykes asked, suggesting it was something “most real men” do.

    Trump responded with rare equanimity, and no apologies. Afterward, he derided Sykes as a “low life” and “whack job.”

    He lost the primary — a fact Sykes mentions with pride — but the setback barely slowed his march to the nomination. (Trump narrowly carried Wisconsin in November.)

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    “Basically the music score of my last six months was ‘We’re not listening to you again,’ ‘What’s up with you?’ ‘Betrayal,’” Sykes said with a small, mirthless laugh. “Some could have been trolls from Macedonia. Others were prominent Republican women from Waukesha I’ve known for 20 years.”

    His last show was Dec. 19, drawing a series of tributes, including Walker’s declaration of “Charlie Sykes Day” in Wisconsin. Ryan was among the luminaries calling in; the House speaker pointedly ignored the host’s jocular plea to prove him wrong about Trump.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Oh this is great! I did laugh. Take a look. ;)
    Scotland protesting in their own way, Wales, too (if you scroll down a bit) ...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Yes, the acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, has just been fired.
    Dana Boente, U.S. atty for Eastern District of Virginia has been named as her replacement.




    This one has the statement from the White House in it; scroll down ...


    I am glad she spoke up the way she did, though.

    Note the statement: what a bunch of children running the White House.

    Yes, @TripAces - but dangerous children, truly not knowing how to work within a govt structure and led by somebody who wants to burn everything down (that would be Bannon, not Trump). So Dana Boente saying that he will "defend and enforce the laws of our country..." that may well actually mean defying this Trump administration's directives, orders, and commands. If he puts our Constitution and our country first, before this administration. It sounds like he does not quite realize that it may come to that ...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    More info on possible additional "travel ban" orders.

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-immigration-20170130-story.html

    And Trump continues his harsh, negative (and not factual) rhetoric on our country and the world. His core base are happy with this (fulfilling, at least partially, his extreme statements during his campaign, his "promises"), and it is serving his current purposes. He will not change.

    Note: This says (towards the end) that Bannon & Miller have "nationalist" ideology. I have not read up on Miller. But Bannon is a white supremist, agitator, and self described Leninist. He pushes that ideology. So does Flynn. Nationalist sounds so much better, though.
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    In part says: (any bolding is mine, as usual)

    Trump’s top advisors on immigration, including chief strategist Steve Bannon and senior advisor Stephen Miller, see themselves as launching a radical experiment to fundamentally transform how the U.S. decides who is allowed into the country and to block a generation of people who, in their view, won’t assimilate into American society.


    That project may live or die in the next three months, as the Trump administration reviews whether and how to expand the visa ban and alter vetting procedures. White House aides are considering new, onerous security checks that could effectively limit travel into the U.S. by people from majority-Muslim countries to a trickle.

    The administration faced down another torrent of criticism Monday — from fellow Republicans on Capitol Hill, career diplomats, national security experts and world leaders — over the hasty rollout of the order, as well as the message it sent to both friends and adversaries in the war on terrorism. Though Trump’s ban does not affect all Muslims, as he promised during the campaign, many see it as religiously targeted.

    ***

    Spicer had little sympathy for dissenting diplomats, saying their disagreement with the policy calls “into question whether or not they should continue in that post or not.”

    ***

    "It’s self-evident that the coordination of this executive order was bungled, that that has had consequences, and we hope that in the future the White House will more proactively engage Congress and the agencies that are affected,” said one of the Republican leadership aides, granted anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

    The chief architects of Trump’s order, Bannon, Miller and National Security Advisor Michael T. Flynn, forged strong bonds during the presidential campaign.
    The trio, who make up part of Trump’s inner circle, have a dark view of refugee and immigration flows from majority-Muslim countries
    , believing that if large numbers of Muslims are allowed to enter the U.S., parts of American cities will begin to replicate disaffected and disenfranchised immigrant neighborhoods in France, Germany and Belgium that have been home to perpetrators of terrorist attacks in Europe in recent years.

    ***

    Counter-terrorism experts have long noted that Muslim immigrants in the U.S. are better assimilated and less likely to be radicalized than immigrants in many European cities.

    But the connection between immigration, security, economics and culture that defines the nationalist ideology of Bannon and Miller has become intertwined in Trump’s own rhetoric.

    “Our country needs strong borders and extreme vetting, NOW,” Trump tweeted over the weekend. “Look what is happening all over Europe and, indeed, the world — a horrible mess!”
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    The fun will commence when President Trump arrives here in the UK later this year?!!!! I would not want to be in his secret service detail!!! :-h
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Trump still has, I believe, his own privately hired security guards around him ... because he trusts them (think about that) ... then the Secret Service detail in addition to that (who must surely love having to deal with amateurs to protect our president).
    So I am buying extra popcorn for when Trump lands in the UK. The Scots and Welsh already coming up with some great zingers. ;) Yes, I am hoping for more of this:


    (I know it is a serious situation in the U.S., but we have to find humor at times; it helps.)
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    You know what the protection detail says when somebody takes a shot at Trump: "Duck Donald Duck".
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    ha! Yes, I had sort of heard that one.
    And everybody ducks. :)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited January 2017 Posts: 17,801
    As one who firmly believes this society will sooner or later HAVE to switch to the Socialist Guaranteed Income Standard (with a big heaping side of Capitalist perks & incentives), I have no problem with radically deconstructing & reshaping the society, economy & government. Call me a bit 'conservative' though if I feel that using the Fascist Dictator For Dummies handbook is not quite the best way to begin... :-O
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Re: Trump's Supreme Court choice.
    GOP completely blocked Obama's choice.
    So here we go ....
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    If the Democrats were smart, they'd wait until the next one to fight Trump on the Supreme Court. Let him have this one, as this is just really a status quo pick since he's just swapping one conservative for another. The balance of the court remains the same as it was, so to speak. Not fighting this one keeps Mitch McConnell's so-called "nuclear option" of getting rid of the filibuster off of the table, which is the only way the Democrats will be able to stop Trump from flipping the court against them when it comes time to fill the next vacancy, which will be the one that does flip the court.

    There are other fights that are more worth it right now, such as stopping Jeff Sessions from becoming the Attorney General or, as they should be beginning to explore, impeaching the "President".
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    But this one is further right than Scalia.
    Women's rights & more would be under greater threat with Gorsuch.
    See graph on this front page. https://www.nytimes.com/
    " ... would be a reliable conservative, “voting to limit gay rights, uphold restrictions on abortion and invalidate affirmative action programs.”

    So I think we should oppose (and yes, esp. because of the GOP not even considering Garland.) Still we are stuck with Trump and must consider each choice.. But I am considering what you've said, @dalton.

    Sessions - yes, that is very important to block and not confirm and needs to be on the front burner.

    I am truly not in the mind to give the GOP anything, any carrot. They will happily try to kill filabusters anyway at some point. This administration, with GOP still complicit so far, are giving the American people little in the way of moderation. Trump's executive orders are still just beginning of what Trump (Bannon & Miller) want to actually achieve.
  • Okay, again I have been kind of reading from afar avoiding posting on this topic. But let's start off by my saying that while I am not a Trump fan, I do find some of his ideas interesting, and I would like to analyze them in a professional and objective manner. In other words, in spite of some of the outrageous things he says, I hope to discuss some of his individual actions and ideas separate from the personality of Trump himself.

    I think a good place to start (and apologies if this has been discussed quite a bit before, but I want to add my feelings here) is the immigration debate. No one wants to see innocent people detained, but there is no indication this is a permanent ban. Out of 40 Muslim countries, only 7 have been temporarily banned from allowing people in here. I guess my question has less to do with whether this is right or wrong, but more about how you stop a threat of extremists, no matter how small the number, in a way that makes our country safer. Again, I'm not looking for name calling or degrading people because they may have the same questions I do. I sincerely think there is a threat, and yes we may disagree on the number, but if banning immigration is not the answer, then how do we make the US, and all countries safer?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I respectfully disagree with your take on the Muslim ban. There are plenty of articles, easy to find online, that explain this Executive Order - as well as links in this thread, I believe - and the already current vetting policy our country has.

    You can certainly state your opinion here, but I am not going to argue with you or go into detailed explanation just now. Others on this thread may happily do so; that is their choice.
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    I respectfully disagree with your take on the Muslim ban. There are plenty of articles, easy to find online, that explain this Executive Order - as well as links in this thread, I believe - and the already current vetting policy our country has.

    You can certainly state your opinion here, but I am not going to argue with you or go into detailed explanation just now. Others on this thread may happily do so; that is their choice.

    Thanks. I didn't say whether it was right or wrong, just that I believe there is a threat, and if temporarily banning immigration is not the answer, then what would be a more viable solution?

    I would be more than happy to look for the links in this thread. It's just at the moment I don't have time to go through 40 pages of posts. But I will look for other sources online in the meantime.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Systems and regulations should always be looked at for improvement. I am not against that. Our national security is of course extremely important. But so far, for me, the far majority Trump's ideas and policies are nothing that I can support. That has been true throughout his campaign and certainly now. I am actually glad that Gen. Mattis and Gen. Kelly are on board. How long they can remain, when they are already being cut out of the processes that they are so critical to be involved in, seems unclear. I hope they stay the course. We need them. Just my opinion.

    As you say "temporarily banning immigration" sounds like a step that may be helpful. But any ban or restriction would be a complex, multi layered task. I do not think there is a simple way to ban and get the desired results. I do not have answers at my fingertips, but I do think this current move by Trump is wrong and will do more damage than help.

    I think it is clear that Trump is hurrying to look like he is fulfilling his extreme campaign promises (the wall, banning muslims ...). What I think many people can agree on (whether you want something similar or not) is that this Executive Order was hastily, clumsily rolled out, poorly executed all the way around. There was unnecessary chaos and no answers given when local authorities tried to get answers from the federal govt this weekend.

    Overall, I feel that this Executive Order ("Muslim ban" which is how Guiliani himself says is how it was discussed in planning) simply misses the mark (any mark of being a real deterrant or beneficial) and is far more harmful than helpful. It endangers our allies and our own servicemen and servicewomen. It is unnecessarily separating families. It also feels totally unAmerican and unConstitutional to me.

    Here is just one small bit of info. There are links on just the last couple of pages (start on page 38 here) and this one; and other articles easy to find. Other members here can share their take on this order, and I hope they do. But that is how I feel about it.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/president-trumps-first-defeat-214707

    For the president, who limited his comments on the ban to his Saturday afternoon remarks, the optics were not good. One of the first people detained, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, was an Iraqi interpreter who served the U.S. military for over a decade. (“What I do for this country? They put the cuffs on,” a tearful Darweesh told reporters at JFK after his release.) One Iranian woman barred from the United States, Samira Asgari, was coming to Harvard Medical School to work on a cure for tuberculosis. (“I was pretty excited to join @soumya_boston's lab but denied boarding due to my Iranian nationality,” she tweeted. “Feeling safer?”) The media was flooded all day with tales of shocked families finding themselves locked out of the United States; if any of them were terrorists, they were awfully well-disguised.

    It’s too early to say how the politics of all this will play out, but as a sheer matter of governance, it augurs poorly. Other administrations might have carefully briefed reporters on the details of the new policy, prepared the public, put exemptions in place, clarified exactly who would be affected. They might have crafted an outreach strategy to key allies to explain the president’s reasoning and hear out any concerns. The Trump team seems to have done none of that.

    White House aides briefing the press on Saturday afternoon claimed they had worked for weeks with key officials in the relevant agencies, but there were few signs of that. The Department of Homeland Security first said the ban applied to green-card holders (i.e., permanent legal residents), then walked it back. Aides later said that green-card holders would have to submit to a consular interview before exiting the United States, but nobody has explained exactly how that works. And the top State Department official in charge of consular affairs, veteran Foreign Service officer Michele Bond, was fired last week.

    The Trump administration also seemed surprisingly unprepared to argue its case in court. During her hearing, Donnelly reportedly asked the government’s lawyers whether they considered whether those detained—about 200 people, in the ACLU’s estimation—would suffer harm if they were sent back to their home countries. When they didn’t come up with a convincing answer, she responded, "I think the government hasn't had a full chance to think about this."

    And if the ban was aimed at stopping terrorism, it was oddly off target. It curiously excluded the home countries of the 9/11 hijackers: Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Since 1990, of the 182 radical Islamic terrorists who plotted attacks in the United States or on inbound airplanes, just two entered the U.S. as refugees. Little wonder—since refugees are among the most carefully vetted immigrant groups, and the bulk of them are women and children.

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    I appreciate the info! I will look into this. Thanks!

    Edit: Well I must say what you wrote is certainly eye opening! It sounds like they are detaining the wrong people! And why only 200? I thought they were detaining tens of thousands. No rhyme or reason to who they are singling out. If this Harvard Medical School student is a terrorist, they FBI better have some slam dunk evidence she is! Ditto with one of our military veterans. Something tells me they don't though.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    If you check a few of the links on the previous few pages, you will have more info.
    I must leave work now; but thanks for commenting.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    This is the way the current president of the United States explains it:


    (note: Trump called it a "ban")
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