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http://www.npr.org/2016/08/31/491965912/5-things-to-know-about-obamas-enforcement-of-immigration-laws
As a businessman, it's possible he would be for it. Easier to keep track of people too. Yikes! I hope not.
I'd prefer if he uses smart blood.
Based on your posts on this thread and others, it's easy to conclude that you are one of them.
A helpful hint: don't ever refer to human beings as "illegals." They're immigrants and may be in the country illegally, but that doesn't make them "illegal" people. They're human beings. Your rampant racism, which you attempt to disguise, is disgusting.
Funny! Illegal alien is actually the correct term but I refuse to refer to any illegals or immigrants as an alien.
Where exactly are you from?
The Mexicans in my state even use the term "illegals", you act like I am using the "N" word. I don't really appreciate you calling me a racist. Are you saying I hate my family? Considering one of side of my family is half Mexican half white? A decent amount of my friends are black.. Are you saying I hate my friends and family? Pretty sure I don't!
Also pretty sure having a 4.0 in college government and political classes is not uneducated. Anyone who doesn't understand that we elect the people who decide the electoral vote is a dumb ass. Popular vote means absolutely nothing. I am assuming you are most likely 30+ so I am assuming you know this.
Thank you...
Irrelevant. Where exactly are you COMING from? Far more pertinent! Too many of Trump's positions encourage racism. Either you embrace the racism that Trump actively encourages (while pretending otherwise) or you reject it entirely, actively, and continually. Which side are you on? Like too many of Trump's supporters you talk the talk of one side while walking the walk of the other.
You mean like calling people racist, sexist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, violent and whatever else just because they voted Trump? Yes, let's try that.
Reading comprehension. You might want to try it some time.
The fact of the matter is that American Nazis and Ku Klux Klansmen are actively celebrating Trump's alleged victory (despite the fact the Hillary's vote total is now 2 million more than Donnie's, and rising.) As I stated earlier (and on another thread, so maybe it bears repeating here): Not all Trump supporters are racists, but all racists are Trump supporters.
But its not Nazis or the KKK that we have to worry about nowadays, is it?
And BLM didn't support Trump, and they're racist.
The classics never go out of style.
No it's a serious question I am curious!
Not hating.. Different cultures in different areas. I have family in the Netherlands, Texas, New York, California and Nevada. Where I live illegals get free housing in my town, free healthcare and free college at our community college. Privileges I do not get. Right now I have several medical issues that would require me to spend thousands of dollars that many illegals get for free. It's very very frustrating.
My family members say it's incredibly different from where they live.
I am just curious to where you live and if have had any similar issues in your area?
Yes, you too can spend $149 on a Christmas tree ornament in the shape of a tiny little "Make America Great Again" baseball cap. The Con Man in Chief's Greatest Hit so far...and the electoral college hasn't even met yet!
I live in California where we vote Blue and don't give free housing to ANYBODY. And where Obamacare is keeping two desperately ill, low income friends of mine alive. Where we're going to fight like the blazes to keep Trump's fever dreams from becoming a reality. Frustrating? Hey, I lived through 8 years of Bush the lesser, it's just business as usual for me.
You and I both know exactly to whom he is referring. Don't be dim.
Don't language police.
I will "language police" as I damn well please. Don't speak in code to me or anyone else, and then get pissy when I recognize you're speaking in code and call you out on it.
DROP THE I WORD
Whose speaking in code?
You have to admire the marketing prowess and entrepreneurial spirit. Just in time for Christmas, with proceeds going to the RNC/Trump Campaign fundraising (starting early!). I don't have use for this, but if he wants to peddle Trump Halloween masks for next year, I'll buy one for my 7 year old nephew who currently has a mop like President Elect Trump (he doesn't like to have his hair cut - and he's got quite a mouth on him too). I was quite upset that he didn't go as him this year (he told me who he picked, but it's momentarily slipped my mind). His mother likely wouldn't approve before, but who knows about next year, since the orange one will be in charge.
This is truly shocking to hear and quite unfair.
It's notable that the relevant law refers to those who are undocumented as 'aliens', which in itself may be considered offensive. Who wants to be called an alien?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1326
At present, getting into the US by legal means is highly regulated, as it is in other industrialized nations. One must meet certain stringent qualification criteria, as expected. One can come via the family bracket, employment bracket (which includes investors), refugee and asylum seeker bracket or via the national diversity lottery which also regulates the number of possible winners depending on country of birth. One's chances from Nigeria are apparently higher than from India on account of the relative numbers of immigrants who come from these various countries outside of the program.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works
The consequences of violating immigration laws are currently quite severe, and are clearly documented at a federal level. I'm sure there are state variations but not sure of what they are. It appears that deportation is much easier for someone who has committed a crime.
http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html
http://immigration.findlaw.com/deportation-removal/deportation.html
SPEAKING In CODE
Gustav_Graves wrote "I think the reason Brexit and Trump happened, is way more extensive and complex than just one simple -and again, that's what I can read- bit of fingerpointing." Of course it is, but people in power have to be responsible for their actions. They also have to acknowledge their failures - something which the Labour party especially find it impossible to do.
@bondjames I'm going to attempt to answer your questions from the perspective of the working classes who were the traditional Labour supporters. I'm broadbrushing but this is how the working classes came to feel disenfranchised by Labour and then the Conservatives. I myself am from a working class background and an now ex Labour supporter so hopefully can speak with some confidence on the matter. Yes, it is largely about immigration.
Blair and Brown oversaw the transition of the party from Labour to New Labour for the reasons you highlight. Shortly after coming to power (I was one of those who voted them in) Blair began a programme of reforms which would radically alter the way the electorate viewed them as a party. They courted the middle classes and in doing so had to ignore much of what their traditionalk supporters - the working classes - wished for in terms of policy.
The most controversial policy was to adopt an open door policy of immigration. This was secret at the time and done in the hope that - once settled - these people would vote Labour thus ensuring Labours future in power. Just in case reader think this is conspiracy theory stuff I post a link to a well known UK newspaper:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
It was too much too soon for many Labour voters and despite protests to their local representatives nothing was done.
On top of this we saw a rise in immigration from the EU - especially following the accession of many eastern states. This had an direct and largely negative impact upon the working classes (Labour voters) because they began to struggle to find work or keep work as they were being undercut by EU nationals of people from other parts of the world who would work for less pay. Indeed I personally know one chap who worked as a car body repairer who turned up to work on Christmas Eve only to be notified that he (and the rest of the British workers) had been replaced by some Polish workers.
Another major issue was housing, the influx of people also had a severe impact on the housing stock. Here in the UK we have social housing - houses which are owned and managed by local authorities which are made available to 'ordinary' people at discounted rents. It was always a given that working folks who couldn't afford to buy a property could find a home for life in one of these council houses. Unfortunately, and given the numbers of people arriving in the UK, the stock of social housing was soon depleted. At one time the average waiting time for a council home was a year to eighteen months it now stands at twenty years. Supply and demand had a very negative impact on the private rental sector also, with rents rising beyond the reach of many working people. People also looked at the strain on local services, for example waiting a couple of weeks to see a Doctor.
Still no one would listen to them. The rumblings over free movement of people from the EU and large scale immigration from elsewhere, indeed whenever the subject was broached the people speaking about it were always accused of racism and xenophobia by the authorities.
There was one hell of a lot of resentment against the EU among the working classes for a variety of reasons. It was (is) seen as an institution run for the benefit of big business and the elite which also refused point blank to listen to the people.
It was inevitable then that when the opportunity was presented to them to make their voices heard, the people voted the way they did. It was not only a message to the EU but to the political establishment of the UK.
Lastly, as for Corbyn, he is seen as a joke by many traditional Labour supporters. He was voted into power twice and both times in the most convincing fashion but not by core Labour voters (who don't belong to the party anyway and who have shifted to the right in any aspects for the reasons I give above) Labour is divorced from its core support and while people will vote for them on a local level, many abstain or vote Tory or others. I forget how many Labour supporters I have spoken to who now vote UKIP a they feel abandoned by the party - the rot setting in when Blair came to power.
This I'm sure will be echoed in France, Germany and Holland next year. The ruling classes fail to listen to their people at their own peril...................
She is also against "Common Core", calling it a federalized, 'communist' craziness. For those who don't know what Common Core is: It's a program in which all US states decided in the past that children in one particular state ought to learn the same things as children in another state (For example, Alabama vs. Vermont). This 'Common Curriculum' basically is the basis of many educational systems in western countries. And now there's a serious possibility that Mrs De Vos is going to deconstruct it completely.
Randi Weingarten, president of the 1.6-million-member American Federation of Teachers, said this:
Lastly, Betsy's family, the De Voses, are huge donors to ultra-conservative policies. They are less well known than the Kochs, but they have played a similar role in bankrolling the neo-conservative, more populist, rightward march of the Republican Party.
Starting in 1970, the De Vos family, which is based in Grand Rapids but has Dutch roots, began directing at least two hundred million dollars into funding what was then called “The Neo-Con Right.”
The family supported conservative think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation; academic fraternity organizations such as the Collegiate Studies Institute, which funded conservative publications on college campuses; and the secretive Council on National Policy, which the Times called: “a little-known, Clinton-esque club of a few hundred of the most powerful conservatives in the country.”
The Council’s membership list, which was kept secret, included leaders of the Christian right, such as Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Phyllis Schlafly, and anti-tax and pro-gun groups.
To summarize everything: So much support for poor working-class people and their kids who can't afford certain schools. This is what I mean with education and how this could be seriously deconstructed by a Trump-presidency. Regardless of what you think of Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Party Platform, THIS is what poor working-class people will have to endure from a De Vos secratry of education.
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In consideration for this special day, Happy Thanksgiving to all Americans on this forum. I am including some kind words from the President Elect below:
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@stag, thanks for your detailed and reasoned post. The immigration situation was very controlled under Thatcher as I recall. Over the ensuing years, many friends and colleagues from the UK and others who have visited the UK have expressed similar frustrations about the amount of newcomers in London in particular, and the impact on social services & housing affordability as a consequence.
As I have mentioned on other threads, the EU immigration requirements were always going to affect the most attractive cities (culturally and economically) negatively. This is because poor migrants searching for a better life would inevitably move to those countries that offer the best experience. You're not going to see many people running to Poland for instance, but rather the other way. Social tension is inevitable, particularly as the migrants compete for lower skilled jobs, which are the very ones that are being depleted due to globalization & technological enhancements. So there is an even added strain on society and rural neighbourhoods. The fact that they tend to come en masse also impacts social integration. Such concerns were probably expressed during the mass Indian immigration from Africa and commonwealth nations during the 1960's as former colonies became independent. All of this is taking place at a time when government investment in social housing and social programs is on a decline, which is another trigger for discontent.
This has actually been compounded during the Obama presidency, which followed the worst financial crisis of modern times. The ultra low interest rates that have been in place globally for roughly 8 years have created speculative investment bubbles in real estate. 'Easy money' has caused all kinds of investment misallocations, as the cost of capital is much lower than its normal historic trend line, and much lower than it should be on a risk basis. Consequently, the 'land owner' and 'shareholder' class has gotten much wealthier at the expense of the working class poor. Another consequence has been a disproportionate increase in wealth to popular coastal (California, New York etc.) cities and big urban cities (London, New York, Los Angeles, Toronto, Sydney etc.) in comparison to other parts. It has also resulted in large income disparities between young (who can't afford houses and have dubious job prospects) and old (who are land owners with historically better careers), even as the old (and particularly the massive baby boomer generation) are using up all the pensions and healthcare which the younger folks have to fund through taxes.
A rebalancing is well overdue.
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@Gustav_Graves, regarding Common Core, while it is a good concept in principle, my understanding is that there has been pushback from states which initially signed onto it, and there has been misallocation of federal funds to the program. It's not as well received now as it was when conceptualized. I am reposting below two links discussing it from my post on the previous page.
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-biggest-problem-with-common-core-2014-7
http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/28_02/28_02_karp.shtml
DeVos says that she is anti-Common Core, but some on the right don't seem to believe it. She has supported Common Core funding groups before, so she is probably not a radical. One thing is for sure: She is very passionate about education as a whole.
I am a huge believer in charter schools. I think they do a great service to local communities (to which they cater). My cousin in New York and her sister in law are charter school teachers and I am very proud of them. I am not keen on increased funding for religious schools however.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_schools_in_the_United_States
The right wing's privilege is so great that they can't tolerate the least bit of resistance and protest. It's been that way for decades.
@bondjames: charter schools are a scam. Make no mistakes about it: the reason conservatives hate public education is because there's money to be made there and they can't make inroads to get to it. The charter/voucher approach is their way of doing so.
If you think Privatization is the gold standard, take a look at what's happened to for-profit colleges. While Grand Canyon University in Arizona has done well with that model, most others have not--and students' lives have been ruined.
Education can't be treated like a business. An education is what one needs, as opposed to what one wants. That two are already creating conflicts, as more online courses and shorter paths to degrees (what students "want") are interfering with a solid education (what students "need"). This issue will only get worse under a privatized system of education. Developmental education is already abused by parents; it will get worse under privatization because "money" will take a backseat to quality. It's a natural byproduct of Capitalism. So if mommy and daddy want little Billy on an IEP, to receive "accommodations," the school will bend over backwards to do so. Teachers won't be teaching anymore: they'll be holding kids in place and passing out As to appease their clients.
And make no mistake: vouchers are an attempt to make private schools (the best of the best) cheaper for the wealthy; while fewer resources go to the public schools where most people will still send their kids because even with a "voucher," they can't afford the private schools.
Republicans don't propose things out of what's best for the country. They propose things, disguised as so, but they know they are the sole beneficiaries.
And let's not talk about Trump University here.....which is still under investigation.
As I said, my cousin's sister in law, a charter school teacher, particularly impressed me. She is quite attractive, which may have swayed my thinking, but we got talking about her career at a drink up in NYC after my cousin's marriage about 4 years ago, and I was truly impressed with her description of charter schools and what they try to do for local communities. I realize they are not perfect though and I also recognize that 'education' is a 'public good' which must have some minimum standards to be effective.
So I'm not against it, but I recognize that there must be standards and fairness. That's very difficult to achieve properly, but it's essential.
I understand however that increases in charter schools could exacerbate a two tier system of education. Here are quotes from one of the links below:
"When examining the characteristics of these high performing charter schools there are certain common characteristics amongst the 28 charter schools. What is most common is that they offer innovative education programs with most of them focused on a specific approach to education instruction or a specific academic area of instructional focus. Three offer the Montessori approach to instruction, many offer longer school days and more days of schools and many offer more individualized education programs. These charter schools also tend to be smaller with less than 1,000 students in part because more of them are elementary schools. Only seven out of the 28 had enrollments more than 1,000 students and only two of the 28 schools serve only a high school population, though there are five charter schools that serve K-12 grades.
These charter schools also serve significantly fewer special education students than traditional students. Only two of these 28 high performing charter schools have a special education student population greater than the 15% average of traditional public schools. Further, as noted in the 2013 Special Education Funding Commission report, charter school enroll significantly less special education students with severe disabilities than traditional public schools."
http://www.charterschoolsusa.com/balanced-view-public-charter-schools/
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2015/06/19/whats-working-and-whats-not-with-charter-schools
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/20/a-dozen-problems-with-charter-schools/
The same goes for private school vouchers. They should not be used as a tool to defund public schools, benefit religious schools or to encourage segregation in my view, but rather as a means to increase choice and improve options for parents and children.
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2049761,00.html
http://blogs.worldbank.org/education/how-do-school-vouchers-help-improve-education-systems
This approach sort of mirrors Trump's personality anyway. There is a duality there. A Jekyll and Hyde.