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Was the SPECTRE reveal or the windsurfing and invisible car worse in your mind?
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For me unfortunately it was the SPECTRE reveal. I simply can't get over the ridiculousness of the entire thing. They completely ignored fleming and ruined two good characters of Hannes Oberhauser and Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
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Objectively it's the windsurfing scene - the CGI shits on all the hardworking stuntmen. But by the same token, the Spectre twist shits on Fleming
Neither have I heard of anyone trying to prize their eyes out or attempt suicide with a blunt razor.
All of these things can be attributed to the wind surfing in DAD, so I think that on the whole it's the DAD scenes that were a little bit worse.
However you did make the thread title subjective, so in my eyes..... it's still the wind surfing.
The DAD surfing debacle was visually atrocious, but the film had already completely jumped the shark by that point, so it was more of a 'roll your eyes, cover your face, lower your head and and shake it in disappointment' episode. Folks talk about the CGI surf and yes, it's a disgrace. However, most forget the bit with the glider hanging off the cliff which came just before, and which was just as bad in my mind, as was Halle's dive in Cuba and the Hong Kong backdrop even earlier. Par for the course in a comedic but entertaining effort.
With SP, the revelation wasn't a production values (like DAD) or editing (like QoS) problem. It was conceptual, which is more damaging imho. An insult to the audience's (and fan's) intelligence. A case of a director, scriptwriter, producer and everyone else (including actors who had involvement) not realizing how idiotic (and potentially offensive) their whole premise was. Moreover, it marked a pivotal moment in the film, because everything that came after that (eg. unbelievable escape and shootdown, dull as dishwater London finale with damsel in distress syndrome etc.) is so 'by the motion', as if everyone was just trying to find a way to wrap the damn thing up. At least DAD still provided some entertainment after the surf fiasco.
So the 'SP reveal' for the win, primarily because DAD at least solicited laughs and groans in the theatre I watched it in, while SP didn't solicit anything except folks twiddling with their iPhones.
2015 - James Bond parodies Austin Powers
Can't put it any better myself...so I won't! :)
hahaha i thought about being subtle Dragon,but when am i ever subtle ? ;)
No, I quite agree that the more direct approach is appropriate for that one!
I don't appreciate the pissing over Fleming's legacy with the brother thing either, mind.
DAD is a D student getting an F but SP is a B student getting an F. It's all relative. DAD is just a hyperactive troublemaker kid who can't sit still and you almost giggle at his escalating calls for attention whereas SP is out of character stupid, offensive behaviour.
That is EXACTLY how i feel...spot on.
Back on topic.
Speaking purely objectively I have to admit that, although cringe-inducing, the windsurfing sequence is one that can easily be forgotten, and one that leaves no permanent scar on the franchise. The "brother" connection on the other hand, does. That said, from a subjective standpoint, I myself find the former more offensive. The latter, like @Murdock says, doesn't taunt me quite as severely as it does others on here.
Same here, although I don't think I'll be turned against it. As a Brosnan fan, I have to be impervious to other people's naysaying, so the same applies to SP.
If you break the film into acts it gets progressively worse. First act is great, second act is solid, third act is poor. In some ways Skyfall follows this diminishing returns structure. But the whole film has an urgency to it and a narrative drive. It also has a more satisfying resolution and a killer final scene - all of which Spectre is missing.
The PTS, first M meeting, Q scene, Moneypenny at Bond's apartment, funeral, Spectre meeting, car chase, Mr White meeting...that is a fantastic first hour. With only the Lucia Sciarra seduction not ringing true (but her listening to opera before her assassins are killed is great). Madeline Swann meeting and subsequent plane chase while Q escapes is solid. Then the Hinx fight is the final highlight. On repeat viewings the M and C subplot drags for me. No subtlety or interest to a lot of it. This is the issue with casting actors like Fiennes, Harris or Wishaw - you need to use them. And why wouldn't you? You've paid for them and they're great actors - but do they serve the story? As much as I love Bernard Lee, Lois Maxwell and Desmond they never had multiple scenes with their own plotlines. Now they do and will for the foreseeable future.
But if it happens in a Craig movie, it's okay.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Am I imagining this or didn't Craig take credit for the stepbrother thing in some interview (or least speak proudly of it)?