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  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    We need another clue. I think it has something to do with clothing but that's way too vague of an answer.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    It's only been about a week since the last clue and not too many new guesses. Maybe give it a little longer?

    But as always, if there's a consensus for another clue, I'll provide one.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    I'm assuming most of these happen in the PTS. It probably won't be a Bond action because CR/SP would be near SF. Unless it's about Bond's suit or something similar.
  • GBFGBF
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    Well I wonder what is there so special in Skyfall's PTS. The clue with regard to GF might be that there is something in the title sequence which happens later in the film.

    Bond leaving a house though the door...??
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    The time until someone drinks beer?

    Give us a hint @Some_Kind_Of_Hero
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    edited March 2017 Posts: 6,844
    Not time until someone drinks beer

    @GBF @Birdleson @Creasy47 @Tokoloshe @StirredNotShaken @w2bond @TR007 @fire_and_ice, any objections to another clue?


    Greatest to least:

    1. Spectre
    2. Casino Royale
    3. From Russia With Love
    4. Dr. No
    5. Licence to Kill
    6. The Living Daylights
    7. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    8. Live and Let Die
    9. For Your Eyes Only
    10. Quantum of Solace
    11. Moonraker
    12. GoldenEye
    13. A View to a Kill
    14. The Man with the Golden Gun
    15. The Spy Who Loved Me
    16. You Only Live Twice
    17. Octopussy
    18. Diamonds Are Forever
    19. Die Another Day
    20. Thunderball
    21. Goldfinger
    22. Skyfall

    Not applicable: Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Is Not Enough


    It's something that occurs onscreen in every film but TND and TWINE—an action or event.

    I originally, mistakenly, had Goldfinger 5 places higher than it should be. Of course, there’s a reason why.

    It’s not something obscure or super specific.

    The criteria category these films are ranked by is “length of time until,” meaning it’s something that happens toward the beginning of the film in SF and later on in the film in SP and accordingly so with everything in between (and of course something that doesn't happen at all in TND and TWINE).
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    edited March 2017 Posts: 6,844
    Not Bond shooting to wound.

    A new clue: Usually this happens only once per film, except of course for TND and TWINE, and a handful wherein it happens multiple times (I believe 4-5 films). I'd have to double-check. For the purposes of this challenge, only the first occurrence in each film was relevant for the ranking.

    Edit: To keep things moving, I'll post a new clue at the end of the weekend if no one has it by then.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Here is what is not so far:

    Amount of time spent in an Aston
    Time spent in a helicopter
    Time until we see the first animal on screen
    Amount of time until an ally/friend/colleage of Bond's is killed, or their death is mentioned
    Time until dialogue is spoken
    Time until Bond meets a male ally
    The legth of time the title song is used in the film
    Time Bond is wearing a tuxedo
    Amount of nonviolent, action-free confrontation between Bond and the villain
    Time elapsed until the climax begins
    Time until we see Bond coming out of the shadows
    Number of "thank you"s said
    Time until Bond meets his ally
    Occurrences of "sorry"
    Time until Bond enters a car driven by someone else
    Number of kills using a certain gun
    Time until the PPK is on screen
    Time until Bond has a meal
    Drinks of the main Bond girl
    Time until a girl is killed by a villain/henchman
    Time until we see fruit
    Length of briefing scene
    Duration of the director's name on screen at the end of the title sequence
    Time until Bond is referred to as 007
    Time until Bond has a drink which is not a Vodka Martini
    Bond talking on the telephone or something similar
    Time until Bond is seen in the title sequence
    Bond in a British car
    Amount of classical music heard
    Time spent in Western Europe (not UK)
    Time until Bond climbs or goes upstairs
    Time until Bond says "Good morning"
    Bond sitting on a seat or chair
    Time until Bond changes a piece of clothing on screen
    Time until we see a train on screen
    Time until we see a bottle of champagne
    Time 'til Bond shoots his PPK
    Bond leaving a house though the door
    The time until someone drinks beer
    Bond shooting to wound
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    Time until someone goes over a bridge?
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Sorry, that's not it
  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
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    Time until we see a Volkswagen?!
  • GBFGBF
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    Time until we see another British agent?
  • TR007TR007
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    @some_kind_of_hero
    Is it something we're going to be kicking ourselves over once the answer is revealed?
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    (I'll do one last round of guesses before next clue)

    Time until Bond checks his watch.
    Time until a pool of blood is shown.
    Time until a flag is seen on-screen.

    Check back next week
    ;)
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    None of these so far.
    TR007 wrote: »
    @some_kind_of_hero
    Is it something we're going to be kicking ourselves over once the answer is revealed?

    Quite possibly. While it's not something as firmly entrenched in the formula as, say, the gunbarrel, it's something I'm sure we're all aware has been a regular and recurring part of the films, more likely as a natural development of the scripting process than for "box-checking" purposes. (I guess you can consider that part B to the clue "It's not something obscure or super specific." ;) )
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    Time until Bond adjusts his cuffs/cufflinks! I feel like I've latched onto something here... hopefully...
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Sorry, that's not it
  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
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    Time until someone takes a shot at Bond?
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    I've been checking this out sporadically and I must say that it's a real mindf***! At first, you'd think it would make it easier that TND and TWINE are not included, but I think the opposite is true. Every time I come up with something, I then remember it happening in one or the other, or both. Great challenge. I'm going to be thinking about this over the weekend.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    Tokoloshe wrote: »
    Time until someone takes a shot at Bond?

    That most definitely happens in TND and TWINE haha
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The key for me is trying to find something consistent that happens relatively soon in SF and GF, but also something that might've been initially overlooked in the latter (since it was bumped down five spots). Real head-scratcher, indeed.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Not time until someone takes a shot at Bond

    I'm stoked for whoever gets this! New clue up tomorrow night; stay tuned.
  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
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    Time until we see Bond holster a gun?
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Nope
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Right, that's not it
  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
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    Dr. no being 4th highest in the list is also curious, since it's a short film and yet this still happens after more time has elapsed than in most other films.

    Hmmmmm!
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    That's got to be it.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    I think your feeling is right, @Birdleson. ;)

    James Bond is indeed rendered unconscious in every film in the series except for Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Is Not Enough. Why not these two? Probably because the trope is not a part of the formula and just happens to be a convenient and oft relied upon device to move the story along.

    The earliest he is knocked unconscious is when Moneypenny shoots him off the roof of a speeding train in Skyfall.

    The latest he is knocked unconscious is when one of Blofeld's thugs conks him out pre-torture scene in Spectre.

    Bond frequently loses consciousness due to blunt force, but he is also occasionally drugged via drink (Dr. No, The Living Daylights, Casino Royale), injection (Goldfinger, GoldenEye, Die Another Day), or gas (Diamonds Are Forever, The Spy Who Loved Me).

    There are four films in which James Bond is rendered unconscious multiple times onscreen (Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever, GoldenEye, Casino Royale) and in Dr. No he is rendered unconscious a second time, only offscreen, by Dr. No's thugs at the dinner table.

    The record for the most amount of times Bond is rendered unconscious in a single film is held by both Goldfinger and Diamonds Are Forever with three apiece.

    Greatest to least length of time until James Bond is rendered unconscious:

    1. Spectre
    2. Casino Royale
    3. From Russia With Love
    4. Dr. No
    5. Licence to Kill
    6. The Living Daylights
    7. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    8. Live and Let Die
    9. For Your Eyes Only
    10. Quantum of Solace
    11. Moonraker
    12. GoldenEye
    13. A View to a Kill
    14. The Man with the Golden Gun
    15. The Spy Who Loved Me
    16. You Only Live Twice
    17. Octopussy
    18. Diamonds Are Forever
    19. Die Another Day
    20. Thunderball
    21. Goldfinger
    22. Skyfall

    Not applicable: Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Is Not Enough

    Here are many of the instances in which James Bond is rendered unconscious compiled in a youtube video humorously titled "James Bond Probably Has Brain Damage" (although in that first clip from Dr. No he isn't actually rendered unconscious):



    James Bond himself has rendered others unconscious on a number of occasions, but that's another conversation entirely.

    Over to you, @Birdleson. It's been a helluva game!
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Thank you, and I can't wait to a participate in your round next.
  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
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    Well done Birdleson!!

    And many congratulations to SKOH on a magnificent round :)
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