SPECTRE: So who's going to play Ernst?

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  • Posts: 6,396
    Dragonpol wrote:
    I remember seeing a documentary on CR67 some years back. Am I right in saying that Sellers and Welles shot the baccarat scene separately as they couldn't stand each other?

    I've not heard that, but that's very interesting nonetheless.

    I most likely dreamed it up but I'm sure that it's true along with the story of Sellers quitting the picture before filming had been completed hence why some of his scenes are missing towards the end and why he's abruptly killed by Ursula Andress' Vesper.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    That's all true @WillyGalore, no dream.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    I remember seeing a documentary on CR67 some years back. Am I right in saying that Sellers and Welles shot the baccarat scene separately as they couldn't stand each other?

    I've not heard that, but that's very interesting nonetheless.

    I most likely dreamed it up but I'm sure that it's true along with the story of Sellers quitting the picture before filming had been completed hence why some of his scenes are missing towards the end and why he's abruptly killed by Ursula Andress' Vesper.

    Now that one I have heard of. It's a real mess of a film, shot by five directors "between the eyes" as someone wisely noted. Peter Sellers was notoriously prickly.
  • Posts: 6,396
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    I remember seeing a documentary on CR67 some years back. Am I right in saying that Sellers and Welles shot the baccarat scene separately as they couldn't stand each other?

    I've not heard that, but that's very interesting nonetheless.

    I most likely dreamed it up but I'm sure that it's true along with the story of Sellers quitting the picture before filming had been completed hence why some of his scenes are missing towards the end and why he's abruptly killed by Ursula Andress' Vesper.

    Now that one I have heard of. It's a real mess of a film, shot by five directors "between the eyes" as someone wisely noted. Peter Sellers was notoriously prickly.

    Have you seen the Peter Sellers biopic starring Geoffrey Rush? There's a portion of that film, which deals with CR67

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    Samuel001 wrote:
    That's all true @WillyGalore, no dream.

    Ah, thank you. I'm glad I wasn't going crazy then ;-)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    I remember seeing a documentary on CR67 some years back. Am I right in saying that Sellers and Welles shot the baccarat scene separately as they couldn't stand each other?

    I've not heard that, but that's very interesting nonetheless.

    I most likely dreamed it up but I'm sure that it's true along with the story of Sellers quitting the picture before filming had been completed hence why some of his scenes are missing towards the end and why he's abruptly killed by Ursula Andress' Vesper.

    Now that one I have heard of. It's a real mess of a film, shot by five directors "between the eyes" as someone wisely noted. Peter Sellers was notoriously prickly.

    Have you seen the Peter Sellers biopic starring Geoffrey Rush? There's a portion of that film, which deals with CR67

    No, but I'll have to get that one!
  • Posts: 6,396
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    I remember seeing a documentary on CR67 some years back. Am I right in saying that Sellers and Welles shot the baccarat scene separately as they couldn't stand each other?

    I've not heard that, but that's very interesting nonetheless.

    I most likely dreamed it up but I'm sure that it's true along with the story of Sellers quitting the picture before filming had been completed hence why some of his scenes are missing towards the end and why he's abruptly killed by Ursula Andress' Vesper.

    Now that one I have heard of. It's a real mess of a film, shot by five directors "between the eyes" as someone wisely noted. Peter Sellers was notoriously prickly.

    Have you seen the Peter Sellers biopic starring Geoffrey Rush? There's a portion of that film, which deals with CR67

    No, but I'll have to get that one!

    The Life and Death of Peter Sellers
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    I remember seeing a documentary on CR67 some years back. Am I right in saying that Sellers and Welles shot the baccarat scene separately as they couldn't stand each other?

    I've not heard that, but that's very interesting nonetheless.

    I most likely dreamed it up but I'm sure that it's true along with the story of Sellers quitting the picture before filming had been completed hence why some of his scenes are missing towards the end and why he's abruptly killed by Ursula Andress' Vesper.

    Now that one I have heard of. It's a real mess of a film, shot by five directors "between the eyes" as someone wisely noted. Peter Sellers was notoriously prickly.

    Have you seen the Peter Sellers biopic starring Geoffrey Rush? There's a portion of that film, which deals with CR67

    No, but I'll have to get that one!

    The Life and Death of Peter Sellers

    I've heard of it. I will have to add it to ze list, ze lonnnnng list!
  • Posts: 6,396
    Far more enjoyable than CR67. Mind you, scraping out your eyeballs with a butter knife is more enjoyable than CR67! :-)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Far more enjoyable than CR67. Mind you, scraping out your eyeballs with a butter knife is more enjoyable than CR67! :-)

    I can just picture that! :))
  • Posts: 6,396
    Sellers probably had the same idea! ;-)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Sellers probably had the same idea! ;-)

    Perhaps that's why he left so early?
  • Posts: 6,396
    Director: "Right Peter, you either finish this film or you can go home and scoop out your own eyeballs"
    Sellers: "Goodbye"
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 2013 Posts: 18,264
    Director: "Right Peter, you either finish this film or you can go home and scoop out your own eyeballs"
    Sellers: "Goodbye"

    "No contest!"

    :))
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    ...but where has it been demonstrated through some sort of research that the demand is so "huge" that EON and Michael Wilson have retreated from their assertion that QUANTUM will be back?
    Where, might I add, has it been written that EON and Michael Wilson still want to bring back QUANTUM? Given how EON seems to want to distance themselves from QUANTUM OF SOLACE and the fact that there will have been at the very least a seven year gap since their last appearance, I think we've unfortunately seen the last of QUANTUM. Do you have a recent interview (not 2008) that reinforces your belief that they will return in Bond 24, @SirHenry?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited August 2013 Posts: 18,264
    bondsum wrote:
    ...but where has it been demonstrated through some sort of research that the demand is so "huge" that EON and Michael Wilson have retreated from their assertion that QUANTUM will be back?
    Where, might I add, has it been written that EON and Michael Wilson still want to bring back QUANTUM? Given how EON seems to want to distance themselves from QUANTUM OF SOLACE and the fact that there will have been at the very least a seven year gap since their last appearance, I think we've unfortunately seen the last of QUANTUM. Do you have a recent interview (not 2008) that reinforces your belief that they will return in Bond 24, @SirHenry?

    I think it would be both silly and a shame if they did not return. I think SF was just a lull before Quantum returns again in Bond 24, just like GF was with SPECTRE. The success or failure of QoS is something of a red herring.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 3,333
    What makes you think EON are following the GF non-SPECTRE blueprint and going with a recurring crime syndicate theme for Skyfall's sequel? Thunderball was a published Fleming novel so it was obvious that SPECTRE would return. Bond 24 will be an original screenplay that can go in any direction without the inclusion of QUANTUM. Wishful thinking is no substitute for the fact that QoS was perceived as a creative misfire, @Dragonpol.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    bondsum wrote:
    What makes you think EON are following the GF non-SPECTRE blueprint and going with a recurring crime syndicate theme for Skyfall's sequel? Thunderball was a published Fleming novel so it was obvious that SPECTRE would return. Bond 24 will be an original screenplay that can go in any direction without the inclusion of QUANTUM. Wishful thinking is no substitute for the fact that QoS was perceived as a creative misfire, @Dragonpol.

    Well, I just see a pattern emerging and this is a reboot so I know nothing is a given, but surely the Quantum organisation is the Phoenix that has risen from the flames of Quantum of Solace and its perceived critical failure, no? They would be silly to throw all of this away and have another stand-alone Bond film IMHO. I think Quantum was written with some foresight that there would be an arc for it throughout the Craig era or at least that is how it appears to me. I'm sure you see my point @bondsum?
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    I see your point, @Dragonpol, but I also won't ignore the negative feedback that QoS generated despite it still being a financially successful picture. I simply don't believe the general public really want to see QoS The Continuation, nor do I believe EON want to go back over old ground and undo the positive buzz that SF generated. It's my understanding that John Logan is creating "the arc" you speak of between Bond 24 and 25. What that arc is we shall have to wait and see.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    bondsum wrote:
    I see your point, @Dragonpol, but I also won't ignore the negative feedback that QoS generated despite it still being a financially successful picture. I simply don't believe the general public really want to see QoS The Continuation, nor do I believe EON want to go back over old ground and undo the positive buzz that SF generated. It's my understanding that John Logan is creating "the arc" you speak of between Bond 24 and 25. What that arc is we shall have to wait and see.

    Yes, well of course only time will tell, as is the case with all of these things. Speculation at this early stage is but futile. Having said that, I would like to see Quantum return. General cinema-goers will have all but forgotten about QoS by that stage - Skyfall has already seen to that in a way.
  • RC7RC7
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    bondsum wrote:
    I see your point, @Dragonpol, but I also won't ignore the negative feedback that QoS generated despite it still being a financially successful picture. I simply don't believe the general public really want to see QoS The Continuation, nor do I believe EON want to go back over old ground and undo the positive buzz that SF generated. It's my understanding that John Logan is creating "the arc" you speak of between Bond 24 and 25. What that arc is we shall have to wait and see.

    I agree, while it would satisfy some fans needs for perceived continuity and temper their 'timeline' issues, I don't see the creative reasons for forging on with a Quantum through line in B24. Surely Logan wants to go into this fresh, with his own ideas. If you get the chance to write a Bond I can't imagine you'd want to be saddled with someone else's creative work. That's not to say it's out of the question but if they were to bring Quantum back they'd have to undertake a serious overhaul IMO to whet the appetite. Right now, I'm keen to see something new, something fresh and the only continuity I want is that of the character James Bond and the arc witnessed across the last 3 instalments.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    RC7 wrote:
    bondsum wrote:
    I see your point, @Dragonpol, but I also won't ignore the negative feedback that QoS generated despite it still being a financially successful picture. I simply don't believe the general public really want to see QoS The Continuation, nor do I believe EON want to go back over old ground and undo the positive buzz that SF generated. It's my understanding that John Logan is creating "the arc" you speak of between Bond 24 and 25. What that arc is we shall have to wait and see.

    I agree, while it would satisfy some fans needs for perceived continuity and temper their 'timeline' issues, I don't see the creative reasons for forging on with a Quantum through line in B24. Surely Logan wants to go into this fresh, with his own ideas. If you get the chance to write a Bond I can't imagine you'd want to be saddled with someone else's creative work. That's not to say it's out of the question but if they were to bring Quantum back they'd have to undertake a serious overhaul IMO to whet the appetite. Right now, I'm keen to see something new, something fresh and the only continuity I want is that of the character James Bond and the arc witnessed across the last 3 instalments.

    Fair enough. A new broom sweeps clean, as they say, but of course that arc that you refer to there includes Quantum in the first two films, although I suppose that it was only really referred to as such in QoS, and only intimated in CR.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 3,494
    bondsum wrote:
    ...but where has it been demonstrated through some sort of research that the demand is so "huge" that EON and Michael Wilson have retreated from their assertion that QUANTUM will be back?
    Where, might I add, has it been written that EON and Michael Wilson still want to bring back QUANTUM? Given how EON seems to want to distance themselves from QUANTUM OF SOLACE and the fact that there will have been at the very least a seven year gap since their last appearance, I think we've unfortunately seen the last of QUANTUM. Do you have a recent interview (not 2008) that reinforces your belief that they will return in Bond 24, @SirHenry?

    The last time I read anything wasn't recent, but I am pretty sure there was something said after 2008. Wilson was asked if QUANTUM was going to return for Skyfall and he then stated that the answer was no but that they had not ruled out a future return for the organization.

    As to QUANTUM returning for BOND24, I don't know anything more about that than you or anyone else. And that's not what I said would happen either. I said that Wilson said they would be revisited at some point, not that they would necessarily be back for the film that follows Skyfall. I think that belief may stem from people thinking QUANTUM will follow the same sort of FRWL-GF-TB time line, which is still just as wishful thinking as the premise of this thread giving people here false hope.

    My point here is more in response to Logan's statement that he thinks Bond should fight Blofeld, which is stirring the pot here that they will be back. That doesn't mean EON agrees with him, nor does it mean Blofeld nor SPECTRE for that matter are going to return, nor that QUANTUM has been scrapped in favor of them or in general. Again, I don't see the point in resurrecting a tired old retread out of some sort of sense of nostalgia when there is a new organization with the potential to be better. A rebooted Bond should be fighting brand new villains, which QUANTUM are and Blofeld/SPECTRE are not. And I might add that because EON has distanced themselves from QOS, that doesn't mean every last bit of it has been thrown out. They may be referring to the editing and half-baked script leaving them a bit embarrassed by their standards of film making, which would be very understandable.



  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I'd rather have Mr. White and Quantum return. Mr. White is more interesting that Blofeld ever was. He appears to be #2 level but we really don't know.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Murdock wrote:
    I'd rather have Mr. White and Quantum return. Mr. White is more interesting that Blofeld ever was. He appears to be #2 level but we really don't know.

    Sort of the new Emilio Largo, if you will. There I go with my FRWL-GF-TB reasoning again!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Sort of the new Emilio Largo, if you will. There I go with my FRWL-GF-TB reasoning again!

    Well possibly even a Blofeld type who prefers to be on the field with his people rather than sitting around. In QoS when everyone was blowing there position, he stayed put and removed his ear piece. He's smart, calculating. He know's when to move and when not too. He could be so manipulative his whole identity could be an alias. His one slip-up was when Bond shot him in the leg. But he still got away. To me he is the Blofeld of the reboot so far. Him and Quantum need to return. Bond will be back with a fresh start while White and Quantum are waiting to strike.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Murdock wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Sort of the new Emilio Largo, if you will. There I go with my FRWL-GF-TB reasoning again!

    Well possibly even a Blofeld type who prefers to be on the field with his people rather than sitting around. In QoS when everyone was blowing there position, he stayed put and removed his ear piece. He's smart, calculating. He know's when to move and when not too. He could be so manipulative his whole identity could be an alias. His one slip-up was when Bond shot him in the leg. But he still got away. To me he is the Blofeld of the reboot so far. Him and Quantum need to return. Bond will be back with a fresh start while White and Quantum are waiting to strike.

    Indeed. White has one of those faces and is one of those characters not seen in a Bond film since perhaps the 1960s. A fascinating figure. The screenwriters have only whetted our appetite thus far though, I feel.
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Sort of the new Emilio Largo, if you will. There I go with my FRWL-GF-TB reasoning again!

    Well possibly even a Blofeld type who prefers to be on the field with his people rather than sitting around. In QoS when everyone was blowing there position, he stayed put and removed his ear piece. He's smart, calculating. He know's when to move and when not too. He could be so manipulative his whole identity could be an alias. His one slip-up was when Bond shot him in the leg. But he still got away. To me he is the Blofeld of the reboot so far. Him and Quantum need to return. Bond will be back with a fresh start while White and Quantum are waiting to strike.

    Indeed. White has one of those faces and is one of those characters not seen in a Bond film since perhaps the 1960s. A fascinating figure. The screenwriters have only whetted our appetite thus far though, I feel.

    And I wonder if Jesper Christiansen blew any chance a few years ago of being asked to return as Mr White
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Plus like SPECTRE, White killed off those who messed up there plans. There's more to White than we know. We need to give him a chance and let Blofeld and SPECTRE stay with Connery/Lazenby. We have something new and original. let's broaden and flesh them out rather than using nostalgia as a crutch to appeal to the masses.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Sort of the new Emilio Largo, if you will. There I go with my FRWL-GF-TB reasoning again!

    Well possibly even a Blofeld type who prefers to be on the field with his people rather than sitting around. In QoS when everyone was blowing there position, he stayed put and removed his ear piece. He's smart, calculating. He know's when to move and when not too. He could be so manipulative his whole identity could be an alias. His one slip-up was when Bond shot him in the leg. But he still got away. To me he is the Blofeld of the reboot so far. Him and Quantum need to return. Bond will be back with a fresh start while White and Quantum are waiting to strike.

    Indeed. White has one of those faces and is one of those characters not seen in a Bond film since perhaps the 1960s. A fascinating figure. The screenwriters have only whetted our appetite thus far though, I feel.

    And I wonder if Jesper Christiansen blew any chance a few years ago of being asked to return as Mr White

    I see no evidence to suggest this, unless you have any that you can provide here?
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