SPECTRE: So who's going to play Ernst?

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    Muddyw wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think we might add to the list of potential Blofelds the bald German actor that has showed up on shooting. Not that I think or wish he will be Blofeld, but we have to consider him. His name is Detlef Bothe. IMO he is merely a red herring.

    Detlef Bothe? This name contains Blofeld! :-)

    This is the best anagram of a person since someone worked out that Colin Wanker= Neil Warnock!!
    This could be a brilliant red herring. No one had heard of Mads Mikelson before CR and he was brilliant as my name sake. Could there be any truth in this>

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    Al though we do not know for sure Christoph Waltz will play Blofeld yet, he is one of the likely candidates. Does anyone suggested him here on another thread for the role?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote:
    Benedict Cumberbatch is way too young. Blofeld should be older than Bond. Older, wiser, smarter AND a physical match. Ciaran Hinds might be too old now, but 10 years ago I would have said he IS Blofeld. Daniel Day Lewis would be a good choice as a OHMSS looking Blofeld. Gary Lewis too. For a TB looking Blofeld, right now I have no idea.

    I love actor Ciaran Hinds. He was especially good in the new politica miniseries 'Political Animals'. I loved him. The thing is, I think the Bond producers would likely opt for a more famous actor, one with as much starpower as Javier Bardem.

    Moreover, I think the Bond producers are already writing the screenplay around a particular actor, like they did with 'Skyfall'. I wouldn't be surprised if one of these three actors would get the job:

    - Christoph Waltz (55 years of age, won one Oscar): He was memorable as Colonel Hans Landa in 'Inglourious Basterds'. And I think it would be my pick for Blofeld.
    - Philip Seymour Hoffman (44 years of age, won one Oscar): He hasn't done so many villains, only the one 'Mission: Impossible III', where he played the true psychotic Owen Davian.
    - Daniel Day-Lewis (54 years of age, won two Oscars): Daniel Plainview ('There Will Be Blood') and Bill 'The Butcher' Cutting ('Gangs Of New York') were unforgettable villain roles. Daniel has a tendency to be very picky with screenplays, so I am curious if he would go onboard the production of a blockbuster movie. It will typecast him more firmly in the future.

    The biggest obstacle for Ciaran Hinds is his age. At 60, he is a bit too old (and I know I want a mature Blofeld, but I imagine in his late 40s at the youngest). Let's not forget that they cast fairly unknown in two of the three Bonds Craig played in. Even Javier Bardem, while a famous actor, is not the most famous actor. I doubt Hoffman will play Blofeld, because of his role in MI III. My bet would be on Waltz or Day-Lewis, but I wouldn't rule out lesser known actors. And this is of course if they are planning to do a movie with Blofeld in the near future. If he only shows up for say Bond 25 or 26, then who knows who is going to play him.

    Well, it seems that @Gustav_Graves suggested Christoph Waltz the first, at least on this thread. And I actually thought that at the time, in January 2013, my money would be on Waltz or Daniel Day-Lewis. We may have been very on the mark since then.
  • edited February 2015 Posts: 11,119
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote:
    Benedict Cumberbatch is way too young. Blofeld should be older than Bond. Older, wiser, smarter AND a physical match. Ciaran Hinds might be too old now, but 10 years ago I would have said he IS Blofeld. Daniel Day Lewis would be a good choice as a OHMSS looking Blofeld. Gary Lewis too. For a TB looking Blofeld, right now I have no idea.

    I love actor Ciaran Hinds. He was especially good in the new politica miniseries 'Political Animals'. I loved him. The thing is, I think the Bond producers would likely opt for a more famous actor, one with as much starpower as Javier Bardem.

    Moreover, I think the Bond producers are already writing the screenplay around a particular actor, like they did with 'Skyfall'. I wouldn't be surprised if one of these three actors would get the job:

    - Christoph Waltz (55 years of age, won one Oscar): He was memorable as Colonel Hans Landa in 'Inglourious Basterds'. And I think it would be my pick for Blofeld.
    - Philip Seymour Hoffman (44 years of age, won one Oscar): He hasn't done so many villains, only the one 'Mission: Impossible III', where he played the true psychotic Owen Davian.
    - Daniel Day-Lewis (54 years of age, won two Oscars): Daniel Plainview ('There Will Be Blood') and Bill 'The Butcher' Cutting ('Gangs Of New York') were unforgettable villain roles. Daniel has a tendency to be very picky with screenplays, so I am curious if he would go onboard the production of a blockbuster movie. It will typecast him more firmly in the future.

    The biggest obstacle for Ciaran Hinds is his age. At 60, he is a bit too old (and I know I want a mature Blofeld, but I imagine in his late 40s at the youngest). Let's not forget that they cast fairly unknown in two of the three Bonds Craig played in. Even Javier Bardem, while a famous actor, is not the most famous actor. I doubt Hoffman will play Blofeld, because of his role in MI III. My bet would be on Waltz or Day-Lewis, but I wouldn't rule out lesser known actors. And this is of course if they are planning to do a movie with Blofeld in the near future. If he only shows up for say Bond 25 or 26, then who knows who is going to play him.

    Well, it seems that @Gustav_Graves suggested Christoph Waltz the first, at least on this thread. And I actually thought that at the time, in January 2013, my money would be on Waltz or Daniel Day-Lewis. We may have been very on the mark since then.

    Thanks for the credit @Ludovico ;-). Let's see how it'll turn out. So far, I think the key to know 100% sure who's going to play Blofeld, we do need to have the exact details of the villain's plot.

    Because one way or another, there needs to be a credible expanation why Waltz is playing Oberhauser and then perhaps later suddenly turns out to be Blofeld after all. Also, there's still the possibility that someone else is going to play Blofeld near the very end of the film; a close guarded secret of EON Productions.

    So there are some explanations:
    Expl. A: Cloning. This could play an important role in "SPECTRE". It turns out Waltz is actually playing two characters: Blofeld and Oberhauser, and that Oberhauser is cloned (bit like in "DAD", but then executed more believable).
    Expl. B: Plastical surgery. Like with cloning, this could be the explanation that Waltz is playing two characters ("TB" & "DAF"): The real Blofeld and a physically altered Oberhauser. Or the real Oberhauser, because Bond knows him, and a physically altered Blofeld.
    Expl. C: Using Oberhauser's identity. Blofeld (Waltz) will be, much like Silva, introduced quite late in the film. Bond gets lured into a trail, because of Oberhauser, who Bond hasn't seen in decades. And then he finds out he has been killed already and Bond gets revealed to Waltz/Blofeld.
    Expl. D: Creating an entire new fake identity, named "Ernst Stavro Blofeld". Waltz is Oberhauser, but during the film he slowly adopts the fake identity of Blofeld.
    Expl. E: Waltz is Oberhauser, but he also uses the identity of a new mysterious man, called "Ernst Stavro Blofeld". The real Blofeld isn't seen at all in "SPECTRE", appears only as a cameo at the very end, or doesn't appear at all yet in this film.
    Expl. F: Waltz doesn't play Blofeld. Waltz plays Oberhauser anyway, and it is Oberhauser who is the lead villain. Near the very end of the film, we get a glimpse of Blofeld. Another actor plays him, and it's nothing more than a cameo....for at least this film.

    It is up to you to choose between the above 6 options. Which one is the right explanation ;-)?
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    Or

    Expl. G: Waltz doesn't play Blofeld. Waltz plays Oberhauser anyway, and it is Oberhauser who is the lead villain. We don't get mention of the name Blofeld or see who will eventually play him until the next film.
  • edited February 2015 Posts: 15,106
    It could be any of these, although maybe not the clone as it would be too scifi. I am not saying that Waltz is Blofeld necessarily, I am saying so far he is the most likely candidate. Oberhauser could indeed be the villain and no Blofeld appears in the flesh until Bond 25.

    I would say there are a few pieces of evidence which, although do not prove Waltz is Blofeld, does indicate the possibility:

    1)Waltz as an actor has a similar background to Bardem, and to a lesser extend the other actors who played villains in the Craig era. Basically, a foreign (i.e. non native English speaker) veteran actor respected in the industry. Which would make me think he is at least the main antagonist of the movie.
    2)Ergo, it is far more likely that Blofeld would be played by an actor with the stature of Waltz. If they are waiting for Bond 25 to reveal him, the challenge would be to top such casting.
    3)He looks a bit like the OHMSS novel Blofeld.
    4)He also has the right age and age difference
    5)Blofeld using aliases and fake identities, he can easily be using Oberhauser.
    6)Blofeld, like many villains in the novels, is a twisted father figure to Bond. Oberhauser senior was a father figure to Bond, his "son" (real or invented, or the impostor playing his son) can also play such role...
    7)Although it might be a red herring, they never categorically denied Waltz would be Blofeld.

    As I said, nothing conclusive so far, but definitely a possibility.
  • edited February 2015 Posts: 11,119
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Or

    Expl. G: Waltz doesn't play Blofeld. Waltz plays Oberhauser anyway, and it is Oberhauser who is the lead villain. We don't get mention of the name Blofeld or see who will eventually play him until the next film.

    Which is almost similar to Expl. F. But yes, F/G for me is actually quite the realistic option.... Also don't forget the recent rumours, that "SPECTRE" will be the first part of a duology. Much like CR/QOS. And also it seems Waltz has signed up for the 25th film as well...
    Ludovico wrote: »
    It could be any of these, although maybe not the clone as it would be too scifi. I am not saying that Waltz is Blofeld necessarily, I am saying so far he is the most likely candidate. Oberhauser could indeed be the villain and no Blofeld appears in the flesh until Bond 25.

    I would say there are a few pieces of evidence which, although do not prove Waltz is Blofeld, does indicate the possibility:

    1)Waltz as an actor has a similar background to Bardem, and to a lesser extend the other actors who played villains in the Craig era. Basically, a foreign (i.e. non native English speaker) veteran actor respected in the industry. Which would make me think he is at least the main antagonist of the movie.
    2)Ergo, it is far more likely that Blofeld would be played by an actor with the stature of Waltz. If they are waiting for Bond 25 to reveal him, the challenge would be to top such casting.
    3)He looks a bit like the OHMSS novel Blofeld.
    4)He also has the right age and age difference
    5)Blofeld using aliases and fake identities, he can easily be using Oberhauser.
    6)Blofeld, like many villains in the novels, is a twisted father figure to Bond. Oberhauser senior was a father figure to Bond, his "son" (real or invented, or the impostor playing his son) can also play such role...
    7)Although it might be a red herring, they never categorically denied Waltz would be Blofeld.

    As I said, nothing conclusive so far, but definitely a possibility.

    So which of the explanations A till G do you prefer to stick to....as a wild guess ;-)?
  • RC7RC7
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    My theory - Oberhauser is the villain throughout and known by that name, but is actually ESB. Someone in MI6 or indeed Bond will join the dots and Bond will call his bluff. So I reckon Bond will verbalise the reveal, rather than Oberhauser himself. His way of getting one over on Oberhauser. I think it would be too cliche for Oberhauser to say, 'I'm not who you think I am'. Bond will call his bluff, that's my guess. Then Waltz will be back in 25 as ESB.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    My theory - Oberhauser is the villain throughout and known by that name, but is actually ESB. Someone in MI6 or indeed Bond will join the dots and Bond will call his bluff. So I reckon Bond will verbalise the reveal, rather than Oberhauser himself. His way of getting one over on Oberhauser. I think it would be too cliche for Oberhauser to say, 'I'm not who you think I am'. Bond will call his bluff, that's my guess. Then Waltz will be back in 25 as ESB.

    So you're basically saying that Waltz' real identity is Blofeld and Waltz' fake identity is Oberhauser. So you're basically referring to Explanation C, spread out over two movies.....with a reveal of Blofeld at the very end of "SPECTRE".

    Well, this could be true. But it does leave me with more questions. Then why using the character/name of Franz Oberhauser...which is in essence the son of Hannes Oberhauser, thus being of the same age of Bond. Bond has ties with the Oberhauser family as you know.

    So who's the real Franz Oberhauser then if Waltz is merely using the identity of the man? Was he killed early on? And why not using another person's identity, that is less closely related to Bond's past?
  • RC7RC7
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    RC7 wrote: »
    My theory - Oberhauser is the villain throughout and known by that name, but is actually ESB. Someone in MI6 or indeed Bond will join the dots and Bond will call his bluff. So I reckon Bond will verbalise the reveal, rather than Oberhauser himself. His way of getting one over on Oberhauser. I think it would be too cliche for Oberhauser to say, 'I'm not who you think I am'. Bond will call his bluff, that's my guess. Then Waltz will be back in 25 as ESB.

    So you're basically saying that Waltz' real identity is Blofeld and Waltz' fake identity is Oberhauser. So you're basically referring to Explanation C, spread out over two movies.....with a reveal of Blofeld at the very end of "SPECTRE".

    Well, this could be true. But it does leave me with more questions. Then why using the character/name of Franz Oberhauser...which is in essence the son of Hannes Oberhauser, thus being of the same age of Bond. Bond has ties with the Oberhauser family as you know.

    So who's the real Franz Oberhauser then if Waltz is merely using the identity of the man? Was he killed early on? And why not using another person's identity, that is less closely related to Bond's past?

    Similar, although I don't think the Blofeld angle will come to light in a similar manner to Silva, I reckon it will be right at the end, leaving the audience pumped for the next film. I think he'll run with the Oberhauser angle for as long as he can, with no intention of revealing his true identity. Perhaps the choice of Oberhauser over another identity is quite simply for the reason that Blofeld wants to torment Bond psychologically, bringing a personal angle adds weight to that.
  • EiragornEiragorn Hessia
    edited February 2015 Posts: 108
    I'm still not decided whether Waltz will play Blofeld. What I would not believe is that they repeat the anticlimatic secrecy of Star Trek Into Darkness' Khan. Things would have played out differently in case he's truly Blofeld:

    - They announce the new 007: Blood Trail (or whatever unsuspicious title they have) with Waltz playing Oberhauser.
    - Bond finds out he's affiliated with an international crime ring lead by someone unseen.
    - The organisation is revealed to be called SPECTRE.
    - In the end Oberhauser opens up being it's leader under the alias Blofeld.
    - James Bond Will Return in SPECTRE.

    No way EON would have made Blofeld's alias that transperent when the film's called SPECTRE.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    My theory - Oberhauser is the villain throughout and known by that name, but is actually ESB. Someone in MI6 or indeed Bond will join the dots and Bond will call his bluff. So I reckon Bond will verbalise the reveal, rather than Oberhauser himself. His way of getting one over on Oberhauser. I think it would be too cliche for Oberhauser to say, 'I'm not who you think I am'. Bond will call his bluff, that's my guess. Then Waltz will be back in 25 as ESB.

    I think it is the most plausible theory so far. And it would make Spectre a Faustian movie, which would make sense with Mendes's sensibilities. A lot of his films have some Faustian elements.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Wasn't Mark Strong on set awhile back??
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    Wasn't Mark Strong on set awhile back??


    He was but apparently he just dropped in to see his mate DC?
    :-?
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Wasn't Mark Strong on set awhile back??


    He was but apparently he just dropped in to see his mate DC?
    :-?

    Involuntary red herring due to fan speculation and wishful thinking.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote:
    Benedict Cumberbatch is way too young. Blofeld should be older than Bond. Older, wiser, smarter AND a physical match. Ciaran Hinds might be too old now, but 10 years ago I would have said he IS Blofeld. Daniel Day Lewis would be a good choice as a OHMSS looking Blofeld. Gary Lewis too. For a TB looking Blofeld, right now I have no idea.

    I love actor Ciaran Hinds. He was especially good in the new politica miniseries 'Political Animals'. I loved him. The thing is, I think the Bond producers would likely opt for a more famous actor, one with as much starpower as Javier Bardem.

    Moreover, I think the Bond producers are already writing the screenplay around a particular actor, like they did with 'Skyfall'. I wouldn't be surprised if one of these three actors would get the job:

    - Christoph Waltz (55 years of age, won one Oscar): He was memorable as Colonel Hans Landa in 'Inglourious Basterds'. And I think it would be my pick for Blofeld.
    - Philip Seymour Hoffman (44 years of age, won one Oscar): He hasn't done so many villains, only the one 'Mission: Impossible III', where he played the true psychotic Owen Davian.
    - Daniel Day-Lewis (54 years of age, won two Oscars): Daniel Plainview ('There Will Be Blood') and Bill 'The Butcher' Cutting ('Gangs Of New York') were unforgettable villain roles. Daniel has a tendency to be very picky with screenplays, so I am curious if he would go onboard the production of a blockbuster movie. It will typecast him more firmly in the future.

    The biggest obstacle for Ciaran Hinds is his age. At 60, he is a bit too old (and I know I want a mature Blofeld, but I imagine in his late 40s at the youngest). Let's not forget that they cast fairly unknown in two of the three Bonds Craig played in. Even Javier Bardem, while a famous actor, is not the most famous actor. I doubt Hoffman will play Blofeld, because of his role in MI III. My bet would be on Waltz or Day-Lewis, but I wouldn't rule out lesser known actors. And this is of course if they are planning to do a movie with Blofeld in the near future. If he only shows up for say Bond 25 or 26, then who knows who is going to play him.

    Well, it seems that @Gustav_Graves suggested Christoph Waltz the first, at least on this thread. And I actually thought that at the time, in January 2013, my money would be on Waltz or Daniel Day-Lewis. We may have been very on the mark since then.

    Thanks for the credit @Ludovico ;-). Let's see how it'll turn out. So far, I think the key to know 100% sure who's going to play Blofeld, we do need to have the exact details of the villain's plot.

    Because one way or another, there needs to be a credible expanation why Waltz is playing Oberhauser and then perhaps later suddenly turns out to be Blofeld after all. Also, there's still the possibility that someone else is going to play Blofeld near the very end of the film; a close guarded secret of EON Productions.

    So there are some explanations:
    Expl. A: Cloning. This could play an important role in "SPECTRE". It turns out Waltz is actually playing two characters: Blofeld and Oberhauser, and that Oberhauser is cloned (bit like in "DAD", but then executed more believable).
    Expl. B: Plastical surgery. Like with cloning, this could be the explanation that Waltz is playing two characters ("TB" & "DAF"): The real Blofeld and a physically altered Oberhauser. Or the real Oberhauser, because Bond knows him, and a physically altered Blofeld.
    Expl. C: Using Oberhauser's identity. Blofeld (Waltz) will be, much like Silva, introduced quite late in the film. Bond gets lured into a trail, because of Oberhauser, who Bond hasn't seen in decades. And then he finds out he has been killed already and Bond gets revealed to Waltz/Blofeld.
    Expl. D: Creating an entire new fake identity, named "Ernst Stavro Blofeld". Waltz is Oberhauser, but during the film he slowly adopts the fake identity of Blofeld.
    Expl. E: Waltz is Oberhauser, but he also uses the identity of a new mysterious man, called "Ernst Stavro Blofeld". The real Blofeld isn't seen at all in "SPECTRE", appears only as a cameo at the very end, or doesn't appear at all yet in this film.
    Expl. F: Waltz doesn't play Blofeld. Waltz plays Oberhauser anyway, and it is Oberhauser who is the lead villain. Near the very end of the film, we get a glimpse of Blofeld. Another actor plays him, and it's nothing more than a cameo....for at least this film.

    It is up to you to choose between the above 6 options. Which one is the right explanation ;-)?

    Expl. G: They decided to write a new character based on Blofeld, but with a more realistic background and the name Blofeld won't be mentioned in Spectre or in Bond 25 when Waltz returns.

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    How is Blofeld's background not realistic? And why not use the name now that they have the rights?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    How is Blofeld's background not realistic? And why not use the name now that they have the rights?

    Possibly because of this guy? 200_s.gif

  • RC7RC7
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    How is Blofeld's background not realistic? And why not use the name now that they have the rights?

    Possibly because of this guy? 200_s.gif

    You've not read Fleming I take it?
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    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    How is Blofeld's background not realistic? And why not use the name now that they have the rights?

    Possibly because of this guy? 200_s.gif

    You've not read Fleming I take it?
    I've read Fleming, Kingsley Amis, John Pearson, John Gardner, Charlie Higson. Sebastian Faulks, Jeffery Deaver, William Boyd and Steve Cole.

    What I meant was, Dr. Evil is what a lot of casual cinema goers think of when Blofeld is mentioned, at least people I've spoken to.

    An example I can give is this:

    Me: I can't wait for the next Bond film, SPECTRE, It should be exciting to see how they handle the organisation.

    Friend: I don't know, all this Dr. Evil villain stuff seems a bit silly after the Austin Powers films, I thought they were moving away from all that.

    Me: You haven't seen the early films in a while have you?

    We watch Dr. No and From Russia with Love that night.
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    But that's not Blofeld's background. That's not even a background. That's a bleeding parody. Bottom line, you go back to Fleming, not the fanfics of his continuators and there's your proper source material for Blofeld.
  • RC7RC7
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    How is Blofeld's background not realistic? And why not use the name now that they have the rights?

    Possibly because of this guy? 200_s.gif

    You've not read Fleming I take it?
    I've read Fleming, Kingsley Amis, John Pearson, John Gardner, Charlie Higson. Sebastian Faulks, Jeffery Deaver, William Boyd and Steve Cole.

    What I meant was, Dr. Evil is what a lot of casual cinema goers think of when Blofeld is mentioned, at least people I've spoken to.

    An example I can give is this:

    Me: I can't wait for the next Bond film, SPECTRE, It should be exciting to see how they handle the organisation.

    Friend: I don't know, all this Dr. Evil villain stuff seems a bit silly after the Austin Powers films, I thought they were moving away from all that.

    Me: You haven't seen the early films in a while have you?

    We watch Dr. No and From Russia with Love that night.

    Which is all the more reason to go back to Fleming and not evoke memories of the cinematic incarnation with whom everyone is familiar. He's never been transferred to screen with the reverence he truly deserves. It just needs Mendes to completely disregard the cinematic Blofeld and work with the blueprint of Fleming.
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    Indeed. But I just wonder what is irreall not realistic about Blofeld's background in the novels. An exceptional man born in a remote European country. At the core that's it.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 1,552
    Ludovico wrote: »
    But that's not Blofeld's background. That's not even a background. That's a bleeding parody. Bottom line, you go back to Fleming, not the fanfics of his continuators and there's your proper source material for Blofeld.
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    How is Blofeld's background not realistic? And why not use the name now that they have the rights?

    Possibly because of this guy? 200_s.gif

    You've not read Fleming I take it?
    I've read Fleming, Kingsley Amis, John Pearson, John Gardner, Charlie Higson. Sebastian Faulks, Jeffery Deaver, William Boyd and Steve Cole.

    What I meant was, Dr. Evil is what a lot of casual cinema goers think of when Blofeld is mentioned, at least people I've spoken to.

    An example I can give is this:

    Me: I can't wait for the next Bond film, SPECTRE, It should be exciting to see how they handle the organisation.

    Friend: I don't know, all this Dr. Evil villain stuff seems a bit silly after the Austin Powers films, I thought they were moving away from all that.

    Me: You haven't seen the early films in a while have you?

    We watch Dr. No and From Russia with Love that night.

    Which is all the more reason to go back to Fleming and not evoke memories of the cinematic incarnation with whom everyone is familiar. He's never been transferred to screen with the reverence he truly deserves. It just needs Mendes to completely disregard the cinematic Blofeld and work with the blueprint of Fleming.

    I agree with both of you. I think you misunderstood my post. Ludovico asked why not use the name Blofeld if they have the rights, I just suggested a hypothesis to their reasoning, not my reasoning. If it were up to me, they would do Blofeld right, as Fleming wrote him.
  • RC7RC7
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    But that's not Blofeld's background. That's not even a background. That's a bleeding parody. Bottom line, you go back to Fleming, not the fanfics of his continuators and there's your proper source material for Blofeld.
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    How is Blofeld's background not realistic? And why not use the name now that they have the rights?

    Possibly because of this guy? 200_s.gif

    You've not read Fleming I take it?
    I've read Fleming, Kingsley Amis, John Pearson, John Gardner, Charlie Higson. Sebastian Faulks, Jeffery Deaver, William Boyd and Steve Cole.

    What I meant was, Dr. Evil is what a lot of casual cinema goers think of when Blofeld is mentioned, at least people I've spoken to.

    An example I can give is this:

    Me: I can't wait for the next Bond film, SPECTRE, It should be exciting to see how they handle the organisation.

    Friend: I don't know, all this Dr. Evil villain stuff seems a bit silly after the Austin Powers films, I thought they were moving away from all that.

    Me: You haven't seen the early films in a while have you?

    We watch Dr. No and From Russia with Love that night.

    Which is all the more reason to go back to Fleming and not evoke memories of the cinematic incarnation with whom everyone is familiar. He's never been transferred to screen with the reverence he truly deserves. It just needs Mendes to completely disregard the cinematic Blofeld and work with the blueprint of Fleming.

    I agree with both of you. I think you misunderstood my post. Ludovico asked why not use the name Blofeld if they have the rights, I just suggested a hypothesis to their reasoning, not my reasoning. If it were up to me, they would do Blofeld right, as Fleming wrote him.

    Sorry, I read it as you equating Blofeld's background to the cinematic one without considering the literary one.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    But that's not Blofeld's background. That's not even a background. That's a bleeding parody. Bottom line, you go back to Fleming, not the fanfics of his continuators and there's your proper source material for Blofeld.
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    How is Blofeld's background not realistic? And why not use the name now that they have the rights?

    Possibly because of this guy? 200_s.gif

    You've not read Fleming I take it?
    I've read Fleming, Kingsley Amis, John Pearson, John Gardner, Charlie Higson. Sebastian Faulks, Jeffery Deaver, William Boyd and Steve Cole.

    What I meant was, Dr. Evil is what a lot of casual cinema goers think of when Blofeld is mentioned, at least people I've spoken to.

    An example I can give is this:

    Me: I can't wait for the next Bond film, SPECTRE, It should be exciting to see how they handle the organisation.

    Friend: I don't know, all this Dr. Evil villain stuff seems a bit silly after the Austin Powers films, I thought they were moving away from all that.

    Me: You haven't seen the early films in a while have you?

    We watch Dr. No and From Russia with Love that night.

    Which is all the more reason to go back to Fleming and not evoke memories of the cinematic incarnation with whom everyone is familiar. He's never been transferred to screen with the reverence he truly deserves. It just needs Mendes to completely disregard the cinematic Blofeld and work with the blueprint of Fleming.

    I agree with both of you. I think you misunderstood my post. Ludovico asked why not use the name Blofeld if they have the rights, I just suggested a hypothesis to their reasoning, not my reasoning. If it were up to me, they would do Blofeld right, as Fleming wrote him.

    Sorry, I read it as you equating Blofeld's background to the cinematic one without considering the literary one.
    That's ok, I could have worded it better.
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    You know what's so nice about this topic :-P? Despite the SonyLeaks, the reveal of Blofeld, or any appearance of Blofeld, is still a big mystery for me :-P. I love it!
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 15,106
    JCRendle wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    But that's not Blofeld's background. That's not even a background. That's a bleeding parody. Bottom line, you go back to Fleming, not the fanfics of his continuators and there's your proper source material for Blofeld.
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    How is Blofeld's background not realistic? And why not use the name now that they have the rights?

    Possibly because of this guy? 200_s.gif

    You've not read Fleming I take it?
    I've read Fleming, Kingsley Amis, John Pearson, John Gardner, Charlie Higson. Sebastian Faulks, Jeffery Deaver, William Boyd and Steve Cole.

    What I meant was, Dr. Evil is what a lot of casual cinema goers think of when Blofeld is mentioned, at least people I've spoken to.

    An example I can give is this:

    Me: I can't wait for the next Bond film, SPECTRE, It should be exciting to see how they handle the organisation.

    Friend: I don't know, all this Dr. Evil villain stuff seems a bit silly after the Austin Powers films, I thought they were moving away from all that.

    Me: You haven't seen the early films in a while have you?

    We watch Dr. No and From Russia with Love that night.

    Which is all the more reason to go back to Fleming and not evoke memories of the cinematic incarnation with whom everyone is familiar. He's never been transferred to screen with the reverence he truly deserves. It just needs Mendes to completely disregard the cinematic Blofeld and work with the blueprint of Fleming.

    I agree with both of you. I think you misunderstood my post. Ludovico asked why not use the name Blofeld if they have the rights, I just suggested a hypothesis to their reasoning, not my reasoning. If it were up to me, they would do Blofeld right, as Fleming wrote him.

    Sorry, I read it as you equating Blofeld's background to the cinematic one without considering the literary one.
    That's ok, I could have worded it better.

    I misread you too, sorry.
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    You know what's so nice about this topic :-P? Despite the SonyLeaks, the reveal of Blofeld, or any appearance of Blofeld, is still a big mystery for me :-P. I love it!

    My hypothesis: early drafts had a proto Blofeld, then they changed him to Blofeld when they finally got the rights.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 1,552
    No harm done. If they do bring back Blofeld from the novels, I wonder which look they'd go for.

    The first look, from Thunderball? A large man with short black hair? When I read this description, I pictured Wilson (Kingpin) Fisk from the Mavel comics but with hair.
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    The thin, silver haired man from OHMSS?
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    Or the muscular, mustached Blofeld from YOLT?
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