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The quotes are removed, but the article still makes it clear that according to the witness, race-related comments were the spark the started the confrontation. As far as I'm concerted, the main point of the article is still in effect and if you want to insist that it isn't, we'll just have to disagree. My link to the article itself is still there, anyone who wants to judge for themselves is welcome to do so.
Well, he's not as smart, and not so ruthless... yet.... but it's a similar experiment that's being enacted.
~ Trump's private chat with Putin on the 16th will go swimmingly according to all the involved parties there. Chummy and nice, helping each other. Maybe they will sing that kindergarten classic "The More We Get Together." Whatever happens, there will be special photo ops for sure.
~ Also, at least we got clarity from Trump that Putin is of course KGB and "... Putin is fine. He's fine. We are all fine, we're all people" - that's a relief, so now I can relax.
~ Trump continues rally to keep his base happy and try out new talking points to see what will shtick. Oh this is an apt point:
What else?
~ Manafort is in solitary confinement. All the tiny violins in the world playing just for him right now.
~ Detained immigrant children NOT being reunited with parents in any sort of timely way (not even by court order) and that process is still an unruly, disorganized, uncaring* mess. Sigh ...
But hey, our politicians are keeping their chin up anyway.
~ Senators cavorted in Russia on the Fourth of July. Nothing to see there; move along.
~ And jolly good! The pomp! The fun! Trump will be in London Scotland and other parts of UK soon. :) Avoiding London now due to, well, you know:
~ AND Belgium beat Brazil! I've always loved Brazil, but I'm thrilled for Belgium. :)
* "uncaring" being the blandest word I can use because, really, I'll just state it again: This is this administration's immoral abuse of these children and their parents.
Awesome.
I take it for granted that anybody who’s actually been watching the state of American politics has to conclude that Donald Trump simply isn’t a good President for the USA. Rather than bringing our divided populace together, he actively works to further those divisions. I’ll leave aside for the time being the members of his campaign and cabinet that are in jail or under investigation; I’ll likewise make no comment at this time on his trade war, his questionable deference to Vlad Putin, and his antagonistic attitudes towards long-time American allies. What is pertinent for this particular topic is his clearly racist behavior and how it had exacerbated racism in the USA today.
Trump and his father pled No Contest to federal charges of racial bias in their rental practices back in the 1970s. This is a simple matter of public record. He began his campaign for President with racist signals front & center: Mexican immigrants were racists and drug dealers, all Muslims were potential terrorists and needed to be banned from entering the country. Even before running for President he was actively stoking the racist impulses of those so inclined with his birther campaign against then-President Barack Obama. During Trump’s presidency, racially-motivated incidents have increased substantially. Recently, incidents have occurred with normal citizens voicing their displeasure over the state of things directly to members of the Trump administration -- specifically to Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Scott Pruitt. Some folks bemoan the decline in civility that these incidents indicate. Others reply that Trump himself is the prime culprit for the loss of civility in current public discourse, so what it good for the goose is good for the gander. This is the context in which the Whattaburger/MAGA hat incident occurred. I’d also like to mention the advent of “Fake News,” with Trump simply denouncing any report that displeases him as lies by a media that hates him. Again, this is an ironic position for him to take, as impartial sources regarding veracity (and the lack of same) in public discourse all verify that Trump is one of the most active sources of falsehood in politics today. In tandem with Fox News, of course.
Please forgive me if I’m telling you stuff that you already know. But these are all contributing factors to the Whattaburger incident. Now, to make this matter even more complicated than is already the case -- I have posted a link to a local news report indicating that the WB incident, far from being an unprovoked assault by an evil left-wing extremist on some patriotic children this past July 4th, was actually an unfortunate but understandable response by a Mexican-American to a batch of idiot teenagers voicing their fantasized desire to lynch non-whites as a wholly unsupportable way of celebrating this nation’s founding. Another member of this forum has noted that the article I referenced has since been edited, indicating that some local voices dispute this particular account of the Whattaburger incident, and insisting that this edit makes the initial position of the article in question (and thus my own suggestion that there’s more to this incident than meets the eye) entirely invalid.
I disagree. I think there’s very clearly a racial aspect to this incident -- and further, I would suggest that any attempt to invalidate the racial underpinnings of this incident must be either racially or politically motivated. But hey! --if you need to have a current news article quoting the (still trying to stay anonymous out of what I think is a justifiable fear of reprisal) witness in question regarding these teenagers’ reprehensible remarks -- then here: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-news-whataburger-maga-attack-20180706-story.html As I’ve said at least once before in this discussion, the truth will eventually be told. Let it be told completely, and soon.
While in my own daily life education would be the preferred path, sometimes the knowledge that "Saying stupid stuff in public can earn you an ass-whoopin" is the best form of education.
In general - I think there are plenty of statements and actions by Trump and his administration that demonstrate a racist bias and that are encouraging racism and bigotry; and that does bring about more violence at times, along with a building of hate spewing out into the open. Beyond sad to see this happening at the top level of govt in my country, but it started during Trump's campaign ('Oh he doesn't mean it' I read more than a few people saying at that time, brushing that aspect of his rhetoric off) and that has all now ratcheted up. Step by step, layer by layer, appointment by appointment, Trump's words and attitudes, the policies he pushes. So many subtle and not so subtle nods to white supremacy are ongoing (Stephen Miller is still part of this administration, helping write policies and speeches, for just one undeniable example).
Keep in mind Bannon's goal is to tear down our entire system, to create chaos, to have our citizens at each other's throats, to destroy our democracy. I am not really exaggerating; you can read Bannon's own words. Trump has embraced much of this - look at who he appoints to various role; people who at best will ill serve that particular department they are now suddenly in charge of, or who at worst will try to destroy it. Scott Pruitt being only one recent example. Betsy DeVos another fine example. It is poison at the top (more than mere incompetence) causing rot and chaos as quickly as possible. Yes, it is that dramatic in the U.S. right now.
Therefore, overall, racist and violent events will continue to grow in the U.S. - because of course the current administration does influence our culture. And the majority of citizens, I do believe, do not want that at all.
There are many examples and incidents, but I am not going to put out more on this particular subject at this time. Analyzing one particular incident provides perhaps more clarity for that one event.
But I am asking us to please keep informed (variety of sources) and stay aware of what is happening across our country, more than focusing on one incident. We all need to be aware, speak up, do not accept any of this as normal or acceptable.
Okay, two points here.
1) Some stupid teens need to be directly confronted with a 'presence attack' (Role-play term) to BE educated.
2) If anyone considers this act by this admittedly over-reacting dude 'assault' then they have never been violently mugged or had to physically repel an attack by serious jerks.
Just sayin' is all.
Holding my breath... turning.... blue.....
We're in agreement here.
Not just "edited" -- the local news station retracted the witness's statement and then pulled the story entirely.
Why? Because it has not been verified that the teens made those comments. Just because you believe it to be true doesn't make it so.
Here's another article that reports Jimenez told the media his actions were a "lapse in judgement" and "out of character for him," along with some revealing comments from his brother:
http://www.ktsa.com/san-antonio-teen-has-make-america-great-again-hat-stolen-from-him-soda-tossed-in-face-at-whataburger/
Notice that the brother refers to Jimenez as a bully who has been a bully to "everyone [he's] known." Notice that neither Jimenez nor his brother made any reference to being provoked by racial comments from the teenagers. Do those things strike you as odd considering your take on the events?
I should also add that I think the teen, Hunter Whatever, is a total moron for both wearing the hat and then posting that stupid photo on Instagram (also in the story linked above) -- incendiary garbage that will not help his case.
I never denied this. As you've already pointed out, the MAGA hat is a reminder of the POTUS's divisive and offensive behavior. I have no doubt that a Mexican-American would be angered by it. I have no doubt many would be angered by it.
However, wearing a hat that offends people and talking about lynching African Americans to anyone within earshot are two very different things, the latter being much more serious than the former. Which of these has been verified?
Politically motivated, yes, in that sense that folks are tired of extreme partisans accepting false or highly questionable articles as fact.
...and, again, the only "racial underpinnings" that I have an issue with here are those that have not been proven i.e. the lynching comments.
Current how? The article offers the same out of date information and then provides a dead link to the KENS 5 story (which has been pulled down).
Fine. If it is verified by the media that the MAGA teen made those comments, you're welcome to tag me in this thread, and I'll come back here and post that you were right all along in your assumptions.
But for now, can we drop it?
I've read no further info at this time.
I'd ONLY type stuff I'd say directly to someone in person. Even on FB where I curse a lot... ;)
So in UK - Boris resigned. I think he will try to come back in some capacity; he cannot seem to stop himself from doing so.
I've used the f-bomb right here, and been rightly admonished for my transgression. I once said to a guy on FB (looked at his page to make sure he was my size or bigger first- bigger) that if I ever saw him face to face I'd kick his [bad word for butt]. I meant it. He said he'd do the same. Then we both did the LOL thing, and agreed to disagree. Funny moment...