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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Dragonpol wrote: »

    Time to ship all "known Islamists" to the so-called Islamic State.

    That is really bad form, Draggy.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,271
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »

    Time to ship all "known Islamists" to the so-called Islamic State.

    That is really bad form, Draggy.

    Hope I didn't offend you, old son.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,032
    Well, just for the record, it was a group of "immigrants" from "Islamic" countries drinking their coffee at a Turkish "immigrant's" café that tried and basically succeeded in stopping the maniac by arming themselves with their chairs and hunting him down. Great job.

    And as for it being "run of the mill", it's probably just realistic. Whatever the religious nuts may perpetrate, it simply doesn't really increase anybody's risk of dying in a statistically significant way. Crossing the street is infinitely more risky.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    You sentiment is understandable @Dragonpol I disagree with it but I do understand.
    The frustration at constant attacks , and it seems nothing is being done to protect the
    Population.
    Britain is an open tolerant society, that's what the scum of ISIS hate, and infact that's
    Why in the long term we are winning, while they are constantly losing control.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 2017 Posts: 18,271
    I just want to set the record straight by saying it's not immigrants I want removed, just known jihadists. They should have no safe base or sanctuary in Western Europe. They're the ones that kill people after all, not immigrants.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,032
    I don't have a problem with your position as stated, @Dragonpol. It's just that too many people use it for excluding other people who are as guilty of terrorism as you and me (i.e. NOT), just because they are also Muslims or from the same countries as the jihadists, owing to the fact that you can't look into people's minds to find out what they think. Fortunately, I may add to the last part of the sentence.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    @Dragonpol In that case I agree with you, If you are a known jihadist, then
    out you go, and don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    @Dragonpol In that case I agree with you, If you are a known jihadist, then
    out you go, and don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

    Sure, but not to the islamic State. They don t need reenforcement.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 2017 Posts: 18,271
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    @Dragonpol In that case I agree with you, If you are a known jihadist, then
    out you go, and don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

    Sure, but not to the islamic State. They don t need reenforcement.

    Well, they think that's a heavenly place, so why not send them there. Big enough to hold them all, I'd say. I'm just thinking of their human rights, you know.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited July 2017 Posts: 9,509
    hate to be a cynic, but, this:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/europe/uk-girl-raped-twice-arrests/index.html

    Since European cities, and others, are becoming rape capitals, is there any news on what race these two animals were?
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,996
    peter wrote: »
    hate to be a cynic, but, this:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/europe/uk-girl-raped-twice-arrests/index.html

    Since European cities, and others, are becoming rape capitals, is there any news on what race these two animals were?

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/834449/witton-sexual-assault-birmingham-police-cctv-images

    Both 'Asian'
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,271
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    hate to be a cynic, but, this:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/europe/uk-girl-raped-twice-arrests/index.html

    Since European cities, and others, are becoming rape capitals, is there any news on what race these two animals were?

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/834449/witton-sexual-assault-birmingham-police-cctv-images

    Both 'Asian'

    Oh dear. Wrong answer for this thread!
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    repugnant; hang these assholes by their toe-nails.
  • patbpatb
    edited July 2017 Posts: 4,615
    So the thread has moved on from terrorism to Asian rapists?

    I would hate this thread to turn into a metaphor for wider society where clarity of thought/debate is lost as the conversation turns into a racist rant about "animals", "hanging" etc. Pure Daily Mail guff.

    This forum can do better than that,

    back on track:

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/30/australian-police-foil-elaborate-plot-to-detonate-bomb-on-plane



  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,271
    patb wrote: »
    So the thread has moved on from terrorism to Asian rapists?

    I would hate this thread to turn into a metaphor for wider society where clarity of thought/debate is lost as the conversation turns into a racist rant about "animals", "hanging" etc. Pure Daily Mail guff.

    This forum can do better than that



    I suppose that it's similar to the religious discussion leaching into other related threads I referred to in another thread I created here.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,615
    If someone wants to start a new thread relating to race and rape, best of luck. But it does not relate to terror threats.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,271
    patb wrote: »
    If someone wants to start a new thread relating to race and rape, best of luck. But it does not relate to terror threats.

    I'm not the one to start that, but if someone does want to, go ahead. It's what I did with the religion thread after all. Have the courage of your convictions I say and take a chance on a thread.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,615
    More...

    http://news.sky.com/story/one-killed-several-hurt-as-gunman-opens-fire-in-german-nightclub-10967274

    Remember the "enough is enough" speech from T May a few months ago. Meaningless.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,271
    patb wrote: »
    More...

    http://news.sky.com/story/one-killed-several-hurt-as-gunman-opens-fire-in-german-nightclub-10967274

    Remember the "enough is enough" speech from T May a few months ago. Meaningless.

    And what is she supposed to do? Become Supergran?
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,615
    say something useful and/or honest rather than meaningless guff. What exanctly does "enough is enough" mean in terms of the real world rather than political posturing?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,271
    patb wrote: »
    say something useful and/or honest rather than meaningless guff. What exanctly does "enough is enough" mean in terms of the real world rather than political posturing?

    Just another meaningless, unfulfilled political soundbite. Blame Tony Blair for ushering those in.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,615
    Of course, what it does mean is that it will undermine her further (if thats possible ) in future as what will she say after the next attack.

    "Right, I really mean it this time, enough really is enough"

    Like a bad parent threatening their toddler after missbehaving but never carrying it through.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,271
    patb wrote: »
    Of course, what it does mean is that it will undermine her further (if thats possible ) in future as what will she say after the next attack.

    "Right, I really mean it this time, enough really is enough"

    Like a bad parent threatening their toddler after missbehaving but never carrying it through.

    Of course and when I heard her say that, that is exactly what I thought. Simple fact is, there's nothing much she can do about these wildcard attacks.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Yeah but she said that before she was hanging onto her job by her little fingernail. Last thing she wants is to start getting tough in case it backfires in the media. Better to do nothing and keep her head down.

    Case in point:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/demonstrators-dalston-london-protest-death-rashan-charles

    I know for a fact that police were ordered not to do anything for fear of it escalating.

    So the law is meaningless now is it? Mob rule is king?

    No wonder all this rabble is queuing up in Calais to come here because once you set foot in Dover you've hit the jackpot. Can do whatever you want and no one will lift a finger to stop you and what's more we'll probably give you a free place to live and a fistful of cash into the bargain.
  • patbpatb
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    Thats the honest answer but politicians will always promote the illusion of power and control. There are long term possible solutions (many on this thread) but politians offer short term "magic wands" ....insulting

    2 now dead from nightclub attach
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited July 2017 Posts: 9,509
    @patb you do understand that there is a "rape culture" within the Jihadists, yes?

    You do know there have been sex-rings, with under-age native girls, run by Muslim men in England? Yes?

    This double-rape appears to be the latest in a pattern spreading across Europe, and the direct ties to the Jihadist belief, and how they treat the women of their adopted lands.

    We can be politically correct about this, but, once again, when reading about "Asian" men who just committed a double-rape, i see it as being part of the bigger problem.

    I'm sorry this offends you.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Well, it's certainly not for the shortage of criminal law that they pass out every year.

    Maybe its time for the repealing Free-For-All Act 2017?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    peter wrote: »
    @patb you do understand that there is a "rape culture" within the Jihadists, yes?

    You do know there have been sex-rings, with under-age native girls, run by Muslim men in England? Yes?

    This double-rape appears to be the latest in a pattern spreading across Europe, and the direct ties to the Jihadist belief, and how they treat the women of their adopted lands.

    We can be politically correct about this, but, once again, when reading about "Asian" men who just committed a double-rape, i see it as being part of the bigger problem.

    I'm sorry this offends you.

    Birmingham is packed with Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis etc so until the police state those guys in the mugshots were a) guilty and b) jihadists its a bit early to make such judgments in this case.

    I'm not necessarily saying mean you are wrong though.
  • patbpatb
    edited July 2017 Posts: 4,615
    "@patb you do understand that there is a "rape culture" within the Jihadists, yes?"

    You do understand that Asians and jihadists are completely different things?

    . Once we start branding people of a certain race with characteristics of rapists, we are in big trouble. We need clarity of thought rather than racist broad brush strokes. And lets be clear, implying that Asians are rapists is racist.

    There are cultural issues re the treatment of woman within Islam, and this needs to be debated. But that has simply nothing to do with Asians. C'mon please dont let the thread stoop so low.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited July 2017 Posts: 9,509
    I wasn't implying Asians are rapists...

    And I'm not sure anything re: women and Islam needs to be debated (author Ayaan Hirsi Ali has lots to say about this from her first hand experience-- everything from mass-rapes, clitoral mutilation, beatings, murder... there is no debate there, I'm afraid)...
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