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Have to say I did pretty much the same.
Even though this was in one of the greatest cities in Europe I just shrugged and got on with my day like it was a bomb going off in Iraq or Afghanistan.
I guess they've dragged us down to their level.
They have...it was bound to happen while people keep dying, and the auto response 'merry-go-round' ,quoted from the 'Terrorist Reaction for Europe' handbook, is always used.
I understand the anger on here but ultimately they will be beaten by our stronger resolve and moral strength, not by imposing martial law and a total surveillance police state.
People also need to put everything that is happening in historical perspective. There is a LONG history of terrorist acts in European cities, including Barcelona. In fact Barcelona was an epicentre of anarchist terrorism in the 19th century. Eventually they were defeated.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/blood-rage-history-the-worlds-first-terrorists-1801195.html
Then as now, all the terrorists want is media attention and a hysterical reaction from governments and the public.
Quiet resolve and a 100% determination that these people will NOT change our way of life through hate and fear is the best thing us civilians can attempt to do.
Exactly. Don't give it 24/7 media coverage for days and days, don't go on marches of solidarity, don't have minutes silences at football just shrug like you do when you hear about a pile up on the motorway and keep calm and carry on.
Indifference and carrying on as usual is our greatest weapon.
A 3 day national mourning period...perfect for your local ISIS media and publicity bureau.
Pathetic.
Linked to that, tech in the 19th Century was somewhat limited. Fair fewer ways to cause mass carnage plus our infrastructures are so much more complicated now and easier to disrupt (power, water, transport etc)
Not sure how "moral strength" comes into it. They are as sure that they are morally right as we are and, unlike us, are prefectly happy to give up their current lives. Being morally strong is little defence against a lorry on a pavement, a suicide bomber or a dirty bomb.
This "we've seen it all before" attitude concerns me greatly.
because that's exactly what I said isn't it?
Please put aside the Armchair outrage and recognise that the work of fighting these people is by its nature largely covert and undercover.
We are facing terrorists as we have done many times before. Read your history. Barcelona was almost brought to its knees by terror in the 19th century. That's not going to happen this time.
The terrorists are weak both morally and militarily. They are self evidently pathetic losers. They will be beaten.
Calm down and carry on.
So all those in the muslim community that have sympathy with these terrorists doesn't concern you. Look at the demographics. This is not a problem of a few losers.
Re "moral strength" , there are plenty of examples where one side had great moral strength but were wiped out via superior numbers.
I'm not sure I agree with all Carlin says here, but his point about the vacuum of shallow consumerism is well made.
If we have a 'Muslim problem' what's the solution?
The recent resignation of Sarah Champion is the most recent example re our inability to have an open debate (and her thinking was messy). Any public figure who start to raise these topics gets a hammering from the liberal's.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/europe/finland-stabbing/index.html
Barry you summed it up perfectly. The people who can act and do things about it just choose not too.
How? How are we supposed to fight terrorism more effectively than we already do? What actions exactly need to be taken to counter this trend?
Id much rather hear your thoughts on this than tedius attacks on the "liberal apologists".
Indefinite internment of islamist plot suspects
shut down mosques found to be radically preaching (there will be a lot trust me)
Shut down Islamic schools
Stop all further muslim immigration
Limit Immigration to only the highly skilled
Get rid of all child benefit
Tell the truth about islam
Ban all religeous iconography/clothing in schools
Remove charitable status from all religious groups
Actively encourage debate re the role of religion in liberal culture (especially Islam)
Have proper controls on immigration
Focus far more on the role of womans rights within religious culture
Properly enforce law re FGM
Stop confusing race with religion (when was the last time we heard our leaders make this point?)
Try to end meaningless gestures as they act as a distraction
Stop using the word "Islamaphobia" (just a word of little use)
Have the guts to be honest about Saudi and other Islamic states
Stop pandering to religious practices within mainstream culture (not sure how you do this)
Look at legal controls re enforced gender segregation (ie Mosques - if woman want to pray alongside men, they can. If your religion does no allow this - tough)
Crackdown on arranged marriages - again, it simply does not match Western values.
In the long run, if you focus on womans rights, you undermine Islam.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/18/cambrils-attack-four-suspects-shot-dead-by-one-officer-police-say
If you ask me, such action will only make the situation worse...
Sounds like someone needs a few medals and a big, fat raise.
History and all objectively assessed evidence suggests you're right.
Yes because the current policy of appeasement is doing so well, just as it did in the years leading up to WW2