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  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    My deepest sympathies to all those affected by this cowardly attack. Whilst not wishing to enter into the debate on this specific incident or the gun control issue, (principally because it is divorced from the terrorism matter) I must say I find it strange that people feel the need to arm themselves against 'threats'. It's a sad state of affairs when someone feels so unsafe that they have to carry guns.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Have any of you ever had a loaded gun pointed at your head or a hunting knife held to your throat? I have multiple times. Unfortunately I wasn't carrying a gun for protection just my fists but it could've been really bad..

    So now you are dead, so sorry to hear that.I too had a knife to my throat at one time.I didn t have a gun either and now I am dead as well.

    Years of martial arts paid off.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited October 2017 Posts: 45,489
    I never had that either and somehow I survived just the same.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    Liar - we all know you're communicating from beyond the grave via a seance channeling through Whoopi Goldberg.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky. Well do you p###?
    Marvelous.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    LOL
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    I don't understand the "protection" thing either. Guns don't protect from bullets, and if someone barges into a cafe or some public area with guns blazing, chances are you won't have time to pull out your firearm to protect yourself or anyone. And the argument about having guns in the event of needing to fight the government is laughable.

    The 2nd amendment also seems anachronistic, but there's a higher chance of me being pushed out of a plane by Jaws without a parachute and surviving than there is a chance of that being repealed.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    bondjames wrote: »
    You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky. Well do you p###?

    :)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited October 2017 Posts: 13,789
    A man has to know his limitations. He takes the hero's journey or he does not. Or her.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Just got back from shooting a pistol and some rifles.. Merica
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Have any of you ever had a loaded gun pointed at your head or a hunting knife held to your throat? I have multiple times. Unfortunately I wasn't carrying a gun for protection just my fists but it could've been really bad..

    So now you are dead, so sorry to hear that.I too had a knife to my throat at one time.I didn t have a gun either and now I am dead as well.

    Years of martial arts paid off.
    Yes they do.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    I don't understand the "protection" thing either. Guns don't protect from bullets, and if someone barges into a cafe or some public area with guns blazing, chances are you won't have time to pull out your firearm to protect yourself or anyone.

    Indeed. Could the 'protectionists' on here explain a bit more how it works?

    I mean I presume you need to carry your piece wherever you go otherwise there's no point in having it as you can't predict when you are going need to return fire against nutters/Muslims/blacks/Hispanics/the government?

    Every morning do you casually slip your Berns-Martin triple draw holster under your jacket when you go to the office (actually that sounds pretty cool to be fair) or do you blatantly carry your assault rifle down the street with the safety off? I would've thought the latter as then any miscreants will think 'That guy is protected. I'm not going to mess with him.'

    How does it work if you go swimming say? Do you push your gun along on some sort of inflatable or do you opt for a harpoon gun instead?

    It must be a constant annoyance when you need to pop to the shop or put the bins out to remember to take your Armalite with you though mustn't it? I think I'd keep forgetting. Do you have a big neon warning sign by your door that says 'Don't forget your protection on the way out'?

    Given the number attending the concert was around 40k you have to wonder why there was no return fire until the SWAT team arrived. You'd think a few people in the crowd would have been carrying 'protection' wouldn't you?

    Also there wasn't much 'protection' at Sandy Hook either was there? Presumably if children were allowed to bear arms to 'protect' themselves too that massacre would have been stopped in its tracks?
    The 2nd amendment also seems anachronistic, but there's a higher chance of me being pushed out of a plane by Jaws without a parachute and surviving than there is a chance of that being repealed.

    I don't pretend to know anything about the American political system (as long as you can keep your guns and get hit with a $500k bill for something as simple as having your appendix out you're happy right?) but I do understand the English language:

    amendment
    noun
    1. a minor change or addition designed to improve a text, piece of legislation, etc.
    "an amendment to existing bail laws"
    synonyms: revision, alteration, change, modification, qualification, adaptation, adjustment; More
    2. an article added to the US Constitution.
    noun: Amendment; plural noun: Amendments
    "the First Amendment"


    It may come as a surprise to some but the constitution is not set in stone. Articles can be added to repeal older ones and 'amend' it, as if they could not you wouldn't even have your precious 2nd amendment to cling to in the first place just the original text.

    Could anyone trotting out the old line that the 2nd Amendment is untouchable so guns are going nowhere explain to me how it would be different to the 18th and 21st Amendments?

    Of course the fact that there is no reason it couldn't be done tomorrow is separate from the fact that the politicians are too gutless, the NRA call the shots and the majority of the population would be aghast at having their 'protection' removed.
  • Posts: 7,653
    Have any of you ever had a loaded gun pointed at your head or a hunting knife held to your throat? I have multiple times. Unfortunately I wasn't carrying a gun for protection just my fists but it could've been really bad..

    Yes a knife twice and I had no gun and the fellow ended up having one neither. Truth to be told both times I was in an area alone at night were it was not very smart to be anyhow.

    A gun would not have helped and neither would fifty as you only can use two at the time. But I am not the Shadow. ;)

    Bad shit happens guns do not improve on those situations at all.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    I

    Given the number attending the concert was around 40k

    Actually it was 200,000
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited October 2017 Posts: 1,003
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Have any of you ever had a loaded gun pointed at your head or a hunting knife held to your throat? I have multiple times. Unfortunately I wasn't carrying a gun for protection just my fists but it could've been really bad..

    Yes a knife twice and I had no gun and the fellow ended up having one neither. Truth to be told both times I was in an area alone at night were it was not very smart to be anyhow.

    A gun would not have helped and neither would fifty as you only can use two at the time. But I am not the Shadow. ;)

    Bad shit happens guns do not improve on those situations at all.

    I disagree. My aunt had a shot gun and was robbed at gun point she managed to grab the gun and fire off a few rounds, they panicked and left.

    Another thing is that you don’t always have to shoot the gun in a situation like that sometimes just showing them you have a gun is enough to make them bolt. Of course we all live in difference places and different countries. I can tell you right now if you were out in the country in Texas and they caught you with some hunting rifles and a beer they’d ask you how you did hunting wise and you’d be free to go. In my city they’d arrest you for having an open container of alcohol and probably freak out that you have guns. I guess it’s different for everyone. I am pretty used to seeing civilians walking around at stores, malls etc with a hand gun on their hip.

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited October 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Actually it was 200,000

    I stand corrected. I just plucked that figure from some article on Google without reading it properly. Makes the point even more valid though. Out of 200k there was not one person who whipped out their gun to 'protect' themselves and others?
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Actually it was 200,000

    I stand corrected. I just plucked that figure from some article on Google without reading it properly. Makes the point even more valid though. Out of 200k there was not one person who whipped out their gun to 'protect' themselves and others?

    Most people don’t carry assault rifles at concerts. I doubt a hand gun could’ve reached the shooter from that distance in the dark.

  • edited October 2017 Posts: 618
    Am a Southern white American male... Last time I went hunting I think I was 12 years old. Didn't like it.

    I don't hunt. Don't target shoot. Don't live in a high crime area.

    Thus I have no need to own a gun. And I don't believe private citizens should have the right to own gas-operated (semi-automatic) firearms.

    Personally, I believe private citizens in the U.S. should be restricted to shotguns, bolt-action or lever-action rifles, and revolvers... All legitimate uses for firearms -- by people who aren't police officers or in the military -- are ably met by such weapons. And the constitutional "right to bear arms" is maintained.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Actually it was 200,000

    I stand corrected. I just plucked that figure from some article on Google without reading it properly. Makes the point even more valid though. Out of 200k there was not one person who whipped out their gun to 'protect' themselves and others?

    Most people don’t carry assault rifles at concerts. I doubt a hand gun could’ve reached the shooter from that distance in the dark.

    Well they clearly need to as they can't 'protect' themselves!

    Imagine how different things would've been if all 200,000 had opened up on the guy's hotel room with a malestrom of hot lead?

    I don't think the 2nd amendment goes far enough. I propose a change to the law that citizens must be armed at all times when outside their house. That way there is maximum 'protection' for everyone.
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    Possible Terror attack outside Natural History Museum? Car mounted pavement and people injured. On Sky News now. Driver of the car pinned down to the floor. Hopefully no deaths and no serious injuries?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    CraterGuns wrote: »
    Am a Southern white American male... Last time I went hunting I think I was 12 years old. Didn't like it.

    I don't hunt. Don't target shoot. Don't live in a high crime area.

    Thus I have no need to own a gun. And I don't believe private citizens should have the right to own gas-operated (semi-automatic) firearms.

    Personally, I believe private citizens in the U.S. should be restricted to shotguns, bolt-action or lever-action rifles, and revolvers... All legitimate uses for firearms -- by people who aren't police officers or in the military -- are ably met by such weapons. And the constitutional "right to bear arms" is maintained.

    Police and military shouldn t be exempt.
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Possible Terror attack outside Natural History Museum? Car mounted pavement and people injured. On Sky News now. Driver of the car pinned down to the floor. Hopefully no deaths and no serious injuries?

    That, or possible accident. They happen, you know.
  • Posts: 12,526
    Gerard wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Possible Terror attack outside Natural History Museum? Car mounted pavement and people injured. On Sky News now. Driver of the car pinned down to the floor. Hopefully no deaths and no serious injuries?

    That, or possible accident. They happen, you know.

    Agree, but they are certainly shutting the area down?
  • As an instructor of CCD or for civilian’s it’s called simply martial arts, the first thing that I teach is observation. By that I mean see it coming before it happens and get away. 99.9 percent of the time as far as a civilian is concerned it is possible to get away from the situation before it happens. The use of martial arts training is for that 0.1 percent where there is no choice. The idea of carrying a weapon is problematic for civilians since despite what people believe (especially those outside the United States), there is nothing on any legal book in any of the 50 states that is known as a “Self Defense” law. In each and every case, especially where life is lost the presiding District Attorney will decide if the force that was used was justified (sometimes it was not, and the person goes to prison). I don’t advise any civilian student of mine to carry a weapon simply because then there is a tendency to want to use it (carrying is a personal choice, and in the United States if you live in a state that allows it, I have no problem with it, some states make it more difficult than others). The one time that I was confronted with a firearm in a mugging, I was trapped in the doorway coming out of an apartment building. In that instance I talked my way out of it. Perhaps it was just my self-confidence (part of my mind at the time was prepping myself for a struggle to take the gun, getting shot by some guy that wants my life isn’t a good thing), but whatever I said and I don’t remember (most likely something like, “Hey pal. This is stupid, I don’t have any money, bla, bla) I just kept talking as I walked out the door. The problem with fighting either with or without a weapon is you can lose no matter how good you are or think you are. I’ve taken on muggers and won in fights, but it’s not preferred. There’s a little old lady in a nice neighborhood in an east coast city that always comes up to say hello when I’m there and remind me of the day I stepped in on two idiots that had her backed into a corner. I could have just kept on walking like many people do (it happens all the time, most people ignore others in trouble, after all it’s nothing to them and why get involved), but I stepped in, and that was a situation where good skills were needed. They lost and ran away, the little old lady kept her purse and I seem to have a friend for life, although to this day a couple of years later I still don’t know her name, and I don’t even live in the city. Most of the time I usually go out of my way to avoid a fight, and I’ve trained and taught for years. It only takes one misstep to get knocked to the ground and severely injured by the weakest guy around. American’s have a variety of views on firearms, liberal, conservative, and all points in between. Personally I have no issue with the 2nd Amendment or the way it is currently interpreted, criminals and people who want to cause harm will always find a way, and they certainly aren’t going away just because a particular firearm is banned. As I pointed out earlier, in Nice, France a semi-tractor trailer truck was the weapon of choice, and it did a lot of damage.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Possible Terror attack outside Natural History Museum? Car mounted pavement and people injured. On Sky News now. Driver of the car pinned down to the floor. Hopefully no deaths and no serious injuries?

    That, or possible accident. They happen, you know.

    Agree, but they are certainly shutting the area down?

    Looks like no one was seriously injured thankfully, but it definitely looks deliberate from the driver. He was pinned to the floor by Police.

    Looks like a nice Aston Martin got damaged as well according the pictures on the BBC....
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41538762

    'Crash'????

    In my work I see crashes every day of the week and that's the first time I've seen the police pin some poor sod to the floor afterwards.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Well, if it was intentional he'd have committed a criminal offence, so fair enough. Perhaps he resisted arrest?
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    You guys see they pushed back the punisher premiere because of the shooting?
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    Appears to be a RTA then? Either way thankfully no one was killed, thoughts with the 11 people injured, no doubt they are in shock at what might have been too.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Appears to be a RTA then? Either way thankfully no one was killed, thoughts with the 11 people injured, no doubt they are in shock at what might have been too.

    One always thinks the worst about incidents such as this, in this current heightened terrorist threat climate.
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