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  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,003
    Hunters of game don't use automatic weapons.
    Semi-automatic rifles and shotguns are normally used for hunting with a carefully placed single shot. Then if there's time, aiming and taking a second shot. (They don't wildly fire off bursts in a killing frenzy that ruin meat or their interest in a trophy). Used that way, an AR-15 is pretty equal to less provactive rifles like the semi-automatic Marlin Glenfield .22 I had in my youth with a squirrel carved in the stock. But one is an assault weapon, one is considered more innocuous.
    I'm thinking the use of automatic weapons on an animal, humans included excepting war, is illegal most everywhere including the US. And those folk would not be considered "hunters".

    Only use a 16 gauge and a 12 gauge rifle. Normally have to rip the head off the bird afterwards. Shows you how much they know about guns if they think we’d use assault rifles to hunt lol.

    It’s legal to bow hunt in my neighborhood. Over populated with deer. Around 100 plus just casually roaming around. Although I have only hunted dove never deer.

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Hunters of game don't use automatic weapons.
    Semi-automatic rifles and shotguns are normally used for hunting with a carefully placed single shot. Then if there's time, aiming and taking a second shot. (They don't wildly fire off bursts in a killing frenzy that ruin meat or their interest in a trophy). Used that way, an AR-15 is pretty equal to less provactive rifles like the semi-automatic Marlin Glenfield .22 I had in my youth with a squirrel carved in the stock. But one is an assault weapon, one is considered more innocuous.
    I'm thinking the use of automatic weapons on an animal, humans included excepting war, is illegal most everywhere including the US. And those folk would not be considered "hunters".

    Only use a 16 gauge and a 12 gauge rifle. Normally have to rip the head off the bird afterwards. Shows you how much they know about guns if they think we’d use assault rifles to hunt lol.

    It’s legal to bow hunt in my neighborhood. Over populated with deer. Around 100 plus just casually roaming around. Although I have only hunted dove never deer.

    It's called exaggerating for comic effect (although the truth far more ridiculous than any of us can come up with). However given you can legally buy assault rifles if you don't use them to hunt what do you use them for? Appearing from shooting up civilians or 'defending' yourselves?

    Nice to hear that you're play by Queensbury rules though and only use a 12 gauge against maneating killer doves. I presume the dove gets the same to make it fair on either side when you're taking part in this 'sport'?

    Makes Drax's claims that Bond wasn't a sportsman a little bit harsh given it was a fair fight - the anaconda in its natural environment v Bond and his puny little needle.

    If you were true sportsmen you'd hunt each other rather than tiny, defenceless birds which would have the added bonus of reducing the number of gun nutters out there.

    Or better still put down the phallic symbols altogether chaps and rather than shooting a bird go and shag one instead.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Your exaggerations draw a serious affirmation from otherwise like-minded commenters. Which makes your exaggeration appear serious. Which kind of undercuts the point you're trying to make. Which doesn't become the point at all with the back and forth it generates.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,003
    Your exaggerations draw a serious affirmation from otherwise like-minded commenters. Which makes your exaggeration appear serious. Which kind of undercuts the point you're trying to make. Which doesn't become the point at all with the back and forth it generates.

    It’s like someone being murdered with a fork and I continuously berate him for still using a fork because someone murdered someone with a fork..

    It’s honestly super annoying. I guess it’s my fault directly that people died in Vegas and Texas all because I dove hunt every once and awhile and eat the meat geez...

    I am sure 90% of everyone commenting on here have eaten meat before. How do you think we obtain the meat? So besides being a bunch of gun haters they now hate anyone who fishes or eats dove. Wow. Next time you eat bacon just remember, did the pig have a fair chance?
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Hunters of game don't use automatic weapons.
    Semi-automatic rifles and shotguns are normally used for hunting with a carefully placed single shot. Then if there's time, aiming and taking a second shot. (They don't wildly fire off bursts in a killing frenzy that ruin meat or their interest in a trophy). Used that way, an AR-15 is pretty equal to less provactive rifles like the semi-automatic Marlin Glenfield .22 I had in my youth with a squirrel carved in the stock. But one is an assault weapon, one is considered more innocuous.
    I'm thinking the use of automatic weapons on an animal, humans included excepting war, is illegal most everywhere including the US. And those folk would not be considered "hunters".

    Only use a 16 gauge and a 12 gauge rifle. Normally have to rip the head off the bird afterwards. Shows you how much they know about guns if they think we’d use assault rifles to hunt lol.

    It’s legal to bow hunt in my neighborhood. Over populated with deer. Around 100 plus just casually roaming around. Although I have only hunted dove never deer.

    It's called exaggerating for comic effect (although the truth far more ridiculous than any of us can come up with). However given you can legally buy assault rifles if you don't use them to hunt what do you use them for? Appearing from shooting up civilians or 'defending' yourselves?

    Nice to hear that you're play by Queensbury rules though and only use a 12 gauge against maneating killer doves. I presume the dove gets the same to make it fair on either side when you're taking part in this 'sport'?

    Makes Drax's claims that Bond wasn't a sportsman a little bit harsh given it was a fair fight - the anaconda in its natural environment v Bond and his puny little needle.

    If you were true sportsmen you'd hunt each other rather than tiny, defenceless birds which would have the added bonus of reducing the number of gun nutters out there.

    Or better still put down the phallic symbols altogether chaps and rather than shooting a bird go and shag one instead.

    Isn't that what they're doing already?

    The 'debate' on gun control in the US is over. There is nothing that will make people think enough is enough.

    More guns = more mass shootings, so lots and lots of innocents being killed by guns on a regular basis is basically going to be a part of American daily life for the foreseeable future.

    Who needs ISIS when you have the NRA?
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    Indeed the Us with their gun-laws do themselves more damage than ISIS ever could they only need the occasional attempt to make the Americans buy more weapons to defend themselves. Even the accidental shootings each years counts more victims as the likes of ISIS every could manage to do.

    And we know that God and prayer does not work when a nutter visits a church. So we now get the folks who go to church armed. So much for peace and loving.

    I am really sorry for the average American who gets caught in this gun madness and would clearly see some change but will not see it even after all these massacres because madness rules the debate about gun rules.
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    In general the US is a place where big business gets to set the terms in all areas of life. And they know how to manipulate the masses. That is not only a problem with gun laws, but also health care, minimum vage, climate change etc... The golden rule is that the right to make big money trumps any moral obligations.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    All that has transpired has done do according to their plan...
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    jobo wrote: »
    In general the US is a place where big business gets to set the terms in all areas of life. And they know how to manipulate the masses. That is not only a problem with gun laws, but also health care, minimum vage, climate change etc... The golden rule is that the right to make big money trumps any moral obligations.

    You mean like worshipping the golden calf?

    DO they use AR15's for hunting? Of course they do!




    Feeding pests so they can hunt the predators! And obviously then claim it's pest control. And with those killer doves you really understand why they call it 'home of the brave'!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    The gun situation is never, ever going to change here. I figured the Las Vegas shooting, given that it broke records as the deadliest U.S. mass shooting, would do it, but apparently not. Not sure there's really any scenario that can go down that'll unanimously drive those in power to agree that something needs to change.

    Don't blame the people in power. Like any parasite they are reliant on their host and trying to ban guns would see them out of office in a second, so, like any intelligent life form they do what is expedient for their survival by giving the people what they want. That's democracy folks.

    If people don't want guns they have to elect people who would ban guns but as we all know being against guns is an electoral shotgun in the mouth to US politicians, same as not believing in God.

    God and guns the twin pillars of getting elected stateside. And people worry about Putin and Kim having their finger on the button? I'm amazed they get a President as sane as Trump to be honest.
    I am sure 90% of everyone commenting on here have eaten meat before. How do you think we obtain the meat? So besides being a bunch of gun haters they now hate anyone who fishes or eats dove. Wow. Next time you eat bacon just remember, did the pig have a fair chance?
    Where exactly do you live exactly? 1842? Police only respond to an incident by carrier pigeon and you have to hunt your own food?

    In the civilised world we have evolved both animal slaughter legislation to ensure it is done as humanely as possible (and as a side bonus you dont have to break your teeth on shot pellets) and supermarkets to buy it in.

    You really dont have to crawl on your belly through the forest, slaughter your own food, pluck and butcher it yourself these days. Unless you actually enjoy it of course. And that would be fine but is someone's right to participate in this 'sport' really worth having gun shops on every street corner and kids wandering into their dad's gun cabinet and blowing their head off let alone massacres?

    And anyway I thought having a gun was all about protecting yourself or saving your livestock from predators? Now its about feeding yourself? I really can see why you need them - the all encompassing multi purpose tool of our age. Shit I want one now. Does it also do the dishes and give you a foot massage after a tough day?
    Getafix wrote: »
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    Who needs ISIS when you have the NRA?

    The NRA actually only has approx 5m members. That equates to 1.5% of the population. They really should wield no electoral power. There are over double the amount of homosexuals (3.4%) and even more Mormons (1.8%). The trouble is they are organised and their members are relentless at lobbying politicians. If just 1.6% of the sane population put as much effort in then they could be beaten. However it cant be that much longer before 1.6% of the population have had someone killed in a shooting incident and then when victims of gun killings outnumber the NRA there might be some hope.
    SaintMark wrote: »
    And we know that God and prayer does not work when a nutter visits a church.
    Fixed.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    In the civilised world we have evolved both animal slaughter legislation to ensure it is done as humanely as possible (and as a side bonus you dont have to break your teeth on shot pellets) and supermarkets to buy it in.

    You really dont have to crawl on your belly through the forest, slaughter your own food, pluck and butcher it yourself these days. Unless you actually enjoy it of course. And that would be fine but is someone's right to participate in this 'sport' really worth having gun shops on every street corner and kids wandering into their dad's gun cabinet and blowing their head off let alone massacres?

    And anyway I thought having a gun was all about protecting yourself or saving your livestock from predators? Now its about feeding yourself? I really can see why you need them - the all encompassing multi purpose tool of our age. Shit I want one now. Does it also do the dishes and give you a foot massage after a tough day?
    Bravo, you've outdone yourself here! Kilt peed.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,003
    Oh yes... Just go to the store and buy it.. There are areas that are over populated with deer and wild hogs.
    They destroy crops and kill pets.
    There are rules. You can’t just go kill a hundred birds. That’s why we have game wardens. There’s nothing wrong with killing and eating your own dove meat. There’s also nothing wrong with eating your own fish.. Have you ever been to a slaughterhouse? I would say shooting the animal is more humane then what they do in a slaughterhouse.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Oh yes... Just go to the store and buy it.. There are areas that are over populated with deer and wild hogs.
    They destroy cops and kill pets.
    .

    Who likes cops anyway?
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Oh yes... Just go to the store and buy it.. There are areas that are over populated with deer and wild hogs.
    They destroy cops and kill pets.
    .

    Who likes cops anyway?

    Oops. Damn autocorrect haha.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Have you ever been to a slaughterhouse? I would say shooting the animal is more humane then what they do in a slaughterhouse.
    Fair point bro.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Oh yes... Just go to the store and buy it.. There are areas that are over populated with deer and wild hogs.
    They destroy crops and kill pets.

    I see foxes in my bins every other day but that isn't seen as a justifiable reason for the government to allow all Londoners to purchase assault rifles.
    There are rules. You can’t just go kill a hundred birds. That’s why we have game wardens. There’s nothing wrong with killing and eating your own dove meat. There’s also nothing wrong with eating your own fish.

    I quite agree. I never said there was anything wrong with it. I'm not a wishy washy vegetarian (and have killed an animal to eat before you grasp for the 'you're a hypocrite if you eat meat but aren't prepared to kill it yourself' defence) who is particularly squeamish and if I lived in Scotland it might be a nice day out to go grouse shooting.
    I don't think anyone has ever argued that a gun is not a useful tool for farmers but how many people who own guns in the USA are farmers who are constantly sitting up all night guarding their chicken coop from vermin? I didn't realise that keeping a loaded Glock under your pillow for 'protection' was to protect against a fox ravaging your chickens like a Viking. And does your tooled up 80 year old aunt go out crawling through the undergrowth on her elbows stalking deer?

    There is justification for a farmowner to need a shotgun and a rifle. There really isn't for someone who lives in a town or city.

    You're actually a bit like a grouse yourself - the beaters are driving you relentlessly towards the guns and your cover is getting thinner and thinner. You've gone from claiming that guns are essential to protect yourself from psychonutters because you have no police to claiming that if you aren't allowed a gun you'll starve to death because you're marooned 2 hours from the nearest Walmart. Before long you will be driven out into the open and left exposed in the middle of a field with less of a defence than Liverpool.
    Have you ever been to a slaughterhouse? I would say shooting the animal is more humane then what they do in a slaughterhouse.

    Utter garbage.*

    Bolt gun through the head at point blank range under controlled conditions or some clown who thinks he's Chuck Norris taking pot shots at you which take off a leg or a wing and leave you writhing on the floor before his dog comes and finishes the job? I think I know which I would go for if I was a dove on death row given the Gary Gilmore option to choose my way to go.

    Unless of course I have it wrong and you have the doves tied to a stake and are executing them at point blank range in which case I guess it is humane albeit not much of a 'sport'.

    *Obviously I'm talking about civilised slaughterhouses. If we're talking halal or kosher they are far more monstrous than being shot. But obviously they are religious so exempt from the law that applies to the rest of us. That's a different thread though. If you claimed you needed a gun for religious reasons then you'd be untouchable; they'd even let you have a nuclear warhead if it was your 'belief'.
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    @TheWizardOfIce you are falling into the trap of trying to use reason and logic where there is little to be found. If there was, this thread would not exist and the USA would be a better place.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Another place where people need to protect themselves and where there is little or no regulation of arms-The Middle East. Somalia is another example.

    Chicken and egg situation?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Another place where people need to protect themselves and where there is little or no regulation of arms-The Middle East. Somalia is another example.

    Chicken and egg situation?

    You need guns to hunt chickens otherwise how can you eat them? And how else are you going to protect yourself against killer eggs without an armalite fitted with a laser scope?

    Any of these goddam eggs that wants to f-bomb with me and my property is going home in a bodybag. Hallelujah and praise the Lord.

    Even more so if it's one of those brown eggs coming over here trying to steal our jobs and impregnate our women.
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    Thing is crime in the US is generally quite low. It's not the lawless gang riddled place of 1980s folklore
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,984
    Well, it's all relative. Their murder rates are well beyond the UK or Australia. Or most developed nations, really.
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    Well, it's all relative. Their murder rates are well beyond the UK or Australia. Or most developed nations, really.

    Its them guns that kill people they should lock them up those pesty machines ;)
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Haha wow. I will say this because theres no point in reasoning with anyone here. I don't think any of you understand the difference between living in new york vs a small town where the only thing you have is a gas station. Its mainly the funding that is an issue. Big towns have more money to spend and can have more resources. In my town we could just call the police or animal control if we have a problem. Small towns are not so lucky. Different cultures and a different lifestyle across the pond I guess. I can say if you goto Missouri or Arkansas vs Texas its a completely different crowd. Feels like another world. The murder and drug rates are in inner cities. Forget mass shootings for a second, more people die in the ghetto inner cities. This isn't the wild west where you have a bunch of white farmers gunning each other down over crops. Yeah theres some crazy NRA guys out there who think they need access to full military grade weapons and an underground bomb shelter who think the government is going to kill us. I never once said anyone should legally own an assault rifle.

    Did any of you know that soldiers are not allowed to carry weapons on a military base?
    Nothing wrong with owning a pistol or hunting rifle at all. In the case of the vegas and texas massacres two things would have easily prevented those events.

    1) Ban assault/semi automatic weapons

    2) The military reporting all criminal cases under military courts.

    Whats to stop someone from walking into a walmart with any type of gun and shooting the place up? Their security isn't armed. Most gas stations have no security either. Mall cops cannot even do anything besides "detain" and call the police. Think about it.

    I am in no way saying lets have armed security at every public building, but just think for a second how un-secure a lot of places really are. The chicago gun violence which is at 600+ gun related deaths, were all done by breaking current gun laws. A majority of those criminals have felony arrests and under federal law felons cannot own firearms. So how do these criminals buy guns? Ah, the black market! Where non criminals buy weapons and sell them to people who cannot legally obtain them.

    Bottom line is, like it or not no matter if our president is a republican or democrat no one will ban guns. They might strengthen our gun laws and add restrictions but they will never specifically ban all guns.
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    True CR so imagine how the rest of the world really thinks about your massacres, they would not even mention them anymore if some of the great news stations were not os awful US minded. We all know it is your problem and that you do not want to solve them, well at least not your politicians as they are paid by your local weapons chapter NRA.
    Don't talk anymore how awful it is as it will happen time after time again. The only reason you go to war all over the world to sell weapons or use them so you can get more of them. I think that the US is horny about weapons.
    As an nation and with your army it seems to spend such an amount of money on weaponry that it takes a whole lot of nations in the world to match your output. And yet your orange mophead in charge feels the need to start up a program for more nuclear weapons because the overkill currently in existence is just not enough.
    Makes you wonder when you nation decides enough is enough.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    @CASINOROYALE I agree with most of what you say here FYI.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,003
    Breaking news from the president in Vietnam!! 39BgnT0.png
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    It is one line of profession that really benefits from the Trump presidency: Comedians. It is the laziest job in the world these days. You don't need to come up with any material yourself, you just have to report what Trump days and does. The man is a living parody.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Interesting that a Democrat Senator is trying to have the law changed in the US so that there is more control over a president's ability to launch a nuclear strike. Sign of how worried the political class is in the US about Trump going rogue. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/14/us-military-nuclear-weapons-strike-senate-trump
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 19,339
    Here we go again America...BBC news :

    California shooting: Schoolteachers ‘saved’ children from gunman.

    A gunman who killed four people on Tuesday in rural California fired into an elementary school but was stopped from entering by teachers, police say.

    Staff at Rancho Tehama Reserve School went into lockdown, securing school doors after hearing nearby gunshots.

    Authorities praised the teachers' actions as "monumental" in saving "countless" lives.

    Police confirmed one child was shot at the school after the gunman fired into it. Others were hurt by broken glass.

    Police later confronted the gunman in a stolen vehicle, shooting and killing him. He was named locally as 43-year-old Kevin Neal.




    It is believed the shooting spree began after a domestic row with the gunman's neighbours in Rancho Tehama, a rural community about 120 miles (195km) from Sacramento, on Tuesday morning.

    Police said they believed he went on a "bizarre and murderous rampage" after the dispute escalated and he killed a neighbour.

    Officials confirmed the gunman had "prior contacts with law enforcement".

    The Tehama district attorney told the Sacramento Bee he was being prosecuted on charges relating to a stabbing and assault in January in an incident involving two of his neighbours.

    'This guy is crazy'

    A semi-automatic rifle and two handguns were recovered from one of the crime scenes, police said. At least 10 people were injured in the shootings at multiple locations.

    Police said he chose most of the victims at random, and reportedly shot into the school but became frustrated after the teachers' locked the doors and left after six minutes.

    It is believed the school was alerted after a mother was shot at in her car while driving her children to school. She was reportedly seriously wounded but not killed.

    The child who was shot has undergone surgery after being struck in the leg and chest, reports say. Other children at the school were reportedly injured by broken glass, and some were evacuated from the school and transported to hospital by helicopter.
    "This individual shooter was bent on engaging and killing people at random. I have to say this incident, as tragic and as bad as it is, could have been so much worse," Assistant Sheriff Phil Johnston said.

    The Redding Record Searchlight newspaper spoke to a man who said he was a neighbour of the gunman.

    Brian Flint said his neighbour "has been shooting a lot of bullets lately, hundreds of rounds, large magazines".

    "We made it aware [to police] that this guy is crazy and he's been threatening us," he told the newspaper.
    The Associated Press spoke to a woman who identified herself as Neal's mother, who said he had told her: "I'm on a cliff and there's nowhere to go."

    She said Neal was in a long-running dispute with neighbours who he believed were cooking methamphetamine.

    Police have refused to officially confirm the gunman's identity until his relatives are notified.

    California Governor Jerry Brown issued a statement saying he and his wife were "saddened to hear about today's violence in Tehama County.

    "We offer our condolences to the families who lost loved ones and unite with all Californians in grief."

    Vice President Mike Pence wrote on Twitter: "Saddened to hear of the shooting in N. California, the loss of life & injuries, including innocent children.

    "We commend the effort of courageous law enforcement. We'll continue to monitor the situation & provide federal support, as we pray for comfort & healing for all impacted."
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Brave teachers. They deserve medals for that!
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