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  • Posts: 19,339
    Brave teachers. They deserve medals for that!

    They do indeed,unfortunately this problem is spiralling of control now.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,250
    Truly, nothing but respect for those teachers.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003

    Someone had posted a screen shot of him saying “F Donald Trump”, it got deleted though. I doubt he was a republican.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,328

    new.s truth. unfiltered. Yeah, sure, this is 'truth':
    Silicon Valley liberals have been busted trying to corrupt the children of America and normalize pedophilia within their ranks

    Saudi Prince Al-Waleed had admitted under interrogation that he sent an elite team of snipers from the Saudi Royal Air Force to the Mandalay Bay Hotel on the night of the mass shooting.

    What is wrong with Americans that they really believe this ......... and what kind of demon do you have to be to come up with this 'news'? America is going for civil war faster then a Japanese bullit train.

    @Thunderfinger what possesses you to post this? Since when do we want to sling mud on 26 dead and 20 wounded?

    @CASINOROYALE as far as I can tell the guy had no political motif. He had been agressive to his wife, had been dishonourably distcharged and was fighting with his mother in law all the time (who was a regular at the church). He had been in a mental health clinic and had managed to escape. It seems most likely he was taking all his frustrations out on the people he knew very well. He'd been barred from attending said church in the past, he wasn't welcome there.

    but in the rotten US political climate everything is used to blame everyone for what happened. And that's just sick. If you don't have those limits you sure are going for that civil war, as we've seen in so many countries across the globe.

    I'm no fan of Antifa at all, they're extremists and just as bad as the fascists they fight, but this kind of abuse of an increadeably bad situation is just as sick.
  • Posts: 19,339
    And this weeks ISIS atrocity is :

    Dozens killed in suspected Islamic State bomb and gun attack on Egypt mosque .

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    At least 184 people are dead and dozens more injured after a suspected Islamic State bomb and gun attack on a mosque in Egypt.

    The Egyptian Government has declared three days of mourning following the attack on al-Rawdah mosque, which has injured at least 120 people.

    The mosque is in Bir al-Abed in the volatile northern Sinai Peninsula, around 25 miles from the provincial capital of el-Arish, which has been regularly targeted by IS militants in recent years.
    No group has yet claimed responsibility for the attack - which came as worshippers took part in weekly Friday prayers - but state news agency MENA reports that "appeared" to have been carried out by IS.

    President Abdel Fattah al Sisi has called an emergency security meeting.

    Officials said the militants arrived at the mosque in four off-road vehicles before detonating a bomb and opening fire, with ambulances then seen taking casualties to local hospitals.
    "They were shooting at people as they left the mosque," a local resident whose relatives were at the scene told Reuters.

    "They were shooting at the ambulances too."

    Police officers said the militants had tried to stop people from escaping from the area by blowing up cars and leaving the burning wrecks blocking the roads.
    Cairo's international airport promptly boosted security following the attack, with troops seen patrolling passenger halls, conducting searches and manning checkpoints.

    IS militants have killed hundreds of police and soldiers in the region since fighting intensified over the last three years, although they have mostly targeted Egypt's security forces.

    They have also struck against Christian churches and pilgrims in the country and a bombing in October 2014 saw the Government declare a three-month state of emergency, but Friday's attack in the region is the deadliest to date.

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    I actually don’t think the jihadis have much longer. I sense the madness might come to an end much sooner than we thought. The people in Somalia are turning against the extremists. This kind of thing in Egypt can only further diminish their support base. There will be continued ongoing outbursts but I think the fundamental decency of ordinary people is going to kick in and start suffocating these groups and denying them of recruits and safe havens. May be optimistic but just a feeling I have.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Getafix wrote: »
    I actually don’t think the jihadis have much longer. I sense the madness might come to an end much sooner than we thought. The people in Somalia are turning against the extremists. This kind of thing in Egypt can only further diminish their support base. There will be continued ongoing outbursts but I think the fundamental decency of ordinary people is going to kick in and start suffocating these groups and denying them of recruits and safe havens. May be optimistic but just a feeling I have.

    We have the same feeling.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2017 Posts: 15,722
    Reports of shots fired at London's Oxford Circus and police responding "as if terror related" - no casualties seen

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42117311
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,077
    Reports of shots fired at London's Oxford Circus and police responding "as if terror related" - no casualties seen

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42117311

    Apparently the incident is over with no evidence of gunshots fired, thankfully.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42117311
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Quite possibly the most British response to a potential terror incident I have ever seen: "There's guns being fired out here" "Lock the door and take a seat, can I interest you in my PowerPoint on optimism?"
  • Posts: 12,526
    barryt007 wrote: »
    And this weeks ISIS atrocity is :

    Dozens killed in suspected Islamic State bomb and gun attack on Egypt mosque .

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    At least 184 people are dead and dozens more injured after a suspected Islamic State bomb and gun attack on a mosque in Egypt.

    The Egyptian Government has declared three days of mourning following the attack on al-Rawdah mosque, which has injured at least 120 people.

    The mosque is in Bir al-Abed in the volatile northern Sinai Peninsula, around 25 miles from the provincial capital of el-Arish, which has been regularly targeted by IS militants in recent years.
    No group has yet claimed responsibility for the attack - which came as worshippers took part in weekly Friday prayers - but state news agency MENA reports that "appeared" to have been carried out by IS.

    President Abdel Fattah al Sisi has called an emergency security meeting.

    Officials said the militants arrived at the mosque in four off-road vehicles before detonating a bomb and opening fire, with ambulances then seen taking casualties to local hospitals.
    "They were shooting at people as they left the mosque," a local resident whose relatives were at the scene told Reuters.

    "They were shooting at the ambulances too."

    Police officers said the militants had tried to stop people from escaping from the area by blowing up cars and leaving the burning wrecks blocking the roads.
    Cairo's international airport promptly boosted security following the attack, with troops seen patrolling passenger halls, conducting searches and manning checkpoints.

    IS militants have killed hundreds of police and soldiers in the region since fighting intensified over the last three years, although they have mostly targeted Egypt's security forces.

    They have also struck against Christian churches and pilgrims in the country and a bombing in October 2014 saw the Government declare a three-month state of emergency, but Friday's attack in the region is the deadliest to date.

    I see it is well over 300 people lost now. Senseless and cowardly attack yet again.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,328
    One more example of utter cowardice. I hope they can put an end to these creatures sooner then later.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Too much wrath and too little love around.
  • Posts: 19,339
    This is VERY disturbing :

    North Korea hails 'historic' milestone after testing 'new long-range missile' capable of striking anywhere in US .

    North Korea has declared itself a "nuclear state" after successfully testing a new intercontinental ballistic missile that it said was capable of striking anywhere in the United States.

    The announcement of the new "Hwasong-15" missile, made in a special broadcast at noon local time on Wednesday, came hours after a long-range missile was fired into waters off Japan in what was believed to be its longest-range test yet.

    Kim Jong-un’s rogue regime launched the missile, its first for more than two months, in the middle of the night and it flew for around 590 miles, reaching an altitude of 2,781 miles - more than 10 times the height of the international space station - and splashing down 53 minutes later in the Sea of Japan.
    The missile ended up within Japan’s exclusive economic zone, which extends 200 nautical miles from its coast.

    North Korea had carried out two tests of an intercontinental ballistic missile in July, both of which were Hwasong-14 missiles. The revelation of the new missile came as a surprise to experts.

    "The ICBM Hwasong-15 type weaponry system is an intercontinental ballistic rocket tipped with super-large heavy warhead which is capable of striking the whole mainland of the US," KCNA said.
    It said the development of the weapon would defend the North against the "US imperialists' nuclear blackmail policy and nuclear threat".

    "Kim Jong Un declared with pride that now we have finally realised the great historic cause of completing the state nuclear force," state media KCNA reported.

    In response to the test, Donald Trump, the US president, said: “It is a situation that we will handle. We will take care of it.” He offered no further details.
    The missile reached a greater altitude than any North Korea has previously tested, James Mattis, the US defence secretary, said.


    “It went higher frankly than any previous shot they’ve taken, a research and development effort on their part to continue building ballistic missiles that can threaten everywhere in the world, basically," he told reporters at the White House.


    Many nuclear experts say the North has yet to prove it has mastered all technical hurdles including the ability to deliver a nuclear warhead reliably atop an ICBM, but likely soon will.
    We don't have to like it, but we're going to have to learn to live with North Korea's ability to target the United States with nuclear weapons," said Jeffrey Lewis, head of the East Asia Nonproliferation Programme at the Middlebury Institute of Strategic Studies.

    South Korea responded by almost immediately launching three of its own missiles in a show of force. President Moon Jae-in expressed worry that North Korea's growing missile threat could force the United States to attack the North before it masters a nuclear-tipped long-range missile, something experts say may be imminent.

    "If North Korea completes a ballistic missile that could reach from one continent to another, the situation can spiral out of control," Mr Moon said at an emergency meeting in Seoul, according to his office. "We must stop a situation where North Korea miscalculates and threatens us with nuclear weapons or where the United States considers a pre-emptive strike."
    Mr Trump spoke to Sinzo Abe, the Japanese prime minister, after the test. The two leaders agreed that China needed to play an increased role to tackle the crisis.

    In a phone call the leaders "agreed to strengthen our deterrence capability against the North Korean threat," said Yasutoshi Nishimura, Japan's deputy chief cabinet secretary.


    Mr Abe described the launch as a "violent act" that "can never be tolerated", while Moon Jae-in, the South Korean president, said the test was a "serious threat" to global peace
    UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres urged Pyongyang to "desist taking any further destabilising steps."

    Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary called on North Korea to "change course".

    "This is not the path to security and prosperity for the North Korean people. DPRK regime must change course," Mr Johnson said.
    The UN Security Council has scheduled an emergency meeting for Wednesday to discuss the provocation.


    Japanese Defence Minister Itsunori Onodera said it was judged to be ICBM class given its lofted trajectory.

    "If these numbers are correct, then if flown on a standard trajectory rather than this lofted trajectory, this missile would have a range of more than 13,000 km (8,100 miles) ... Such a missile would have more than enough range to reach Washington, D.C., and in fact any part of the continental United States," the US-based Union of Concerned Scientists said.

    However, it was unclear how heavy a payload the missile was carrying, and it was uncertain if it could carry a large nuclear warhead that far, the nonprofit science advocacy group added.
    The test came just days after Mr Trump added North Korea to America’s list of state sponsors of terror and unveiled new sanctions targeting its shipping, moves Pyongyang had called a “serious provocation and violent infringement”.

    It came weeks after Mr Trump returned from a tour of Asia where he sought to rally support for clamping down on North Korea’s economy.

    Hours before the launch, officials in Hawaii said wailing sirens last heard more than 20 years ago would sound for 60 seconds at more than 400 locations on the first working day of each month, starting in December. In the event of a real attack, the sirens would give Hawaiians 12 to 15 minutes of warning before impact. Richard Rapoza, Hawaii’s emergency management spokesman, said: “We stopped using them in the mid-Nineties after the Cold War ended.”


    The new siren tests were to be accompanied by public service announcements urging residents to “get inside, stay inside and stay tuned”. Announcing the tests, Mr Rapoza said a single 150-kiloton weapon detonated over Pearl Harbor, on the main island of Oahu, would be expected to kill 18,000 people and injure 120,000.

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  • Posts: 7,507
    Nice to know we have a sane, experienced and intelligently rational diplomat in the White House...
  • Posts: 19,339
    jobo wrote: »
    Nice to know we have a sane, experienced and intelligently rational diplomat in the White House...

    I know...they are both as mad as eachother.

  • Posts: 7,507
    barryt007 wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Nice to know we have a sane, experienced and intelligently rational diplomat in the White House...

    I know...they are both as mad as eachother.

    In Donald's defence I honestly believe he has the best of intentions regarding this matter. He just has no knowledge or understanding of North Korea, and no idea of how diplomacy works.
  • Posts: 4,617
    Even if there was a decent USA president, what are their options now? very limited.

    Surgical strikes surely?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Is it wrong to develop this kind of weapon systems, or is it wrong for them ?
  • Posts: 7,507
    In my opinion we should ban nuclear weapons all together. You cannot really make a selection of who deserves it or not.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823
    This changes the game for sure. It's 1962 all over again...
  • Posts: 12,515
    jobo wrote: »
    In my opinion we should ban nuclear weapons all together. You cannot really make a selection of who deserves it or not.

    In an ideal world we wouldn’t have to worry about war at all.
  • Posts: 7,507
    FoxRox wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    In my opinion we should ban nuclear weapons all together. You cannot really make a selection of who deserves it or not.

    In an ideal world we wouldn’t have to worry about war at all.

    I don´t think it´s unrealistic utopia to ban nuclear weapons. We won´t get rid of war or violence anytime soon, but the kind of destruction such weapons bring, is just too much. It is not necesarry at all.
  • Posts: 12,526
    barryt007 wrote: »
    This is VERY disturbing :

    North Korea hails 'historic' milestone after testing 'new long-range missile' capable of striking anywhere in US .

    North Korea has declared itself a "nuclear state" after successfully testing a new intercontinental ballistic missile that it said was capable of striking anywhere in the United States.

    The announcement of the new "Hwasong-15" missile, made in a special broadcast at noon local time on Wednesday, came hours after a long-range missile was fired into waters off Japan in what was believed to be its longest-range test yet.

    Kim Jong-un’s rogue regime launched the missile, its first for more than two months, in the middle of the night and it flew for around 590 miles, reaching an altitude of 2,781 miles - more than 10 times the height of the international space station - and splashing down 53 minutes later in the Sea of Japan.
    The missile ended up within Japan’s exclusive economic zone, which extends 200 nautical miles from its coast.

    North Korea had carried out two tests of an intercontinental ballistic missile in July, both of which were Hwasong-14 missiles. The revelation of the new missile came as a surprise to experts.

    "The ICBM Hwasong-15 type weaponry system is an intercontinental ballistic rocket tipped with super-large heavy warhead which is capable of striking the whole mainland of the US," KCNA said.
    It said the development of the weapon would defend the North against the "US imperialists' nuclear blackmail policy and nuclear threat".

    "Kim Jong Un declared with pride that now we have finally realised the great historic cause of completing the state nuclear force," state media KCNA reported.

    In response to the test, Donald Trump, the US president, said: “It is a situation that we will handle. We will take care of it.” He offered no further details.
    The missile reached a greater altitude than any North Korea has previously tested, James Mattis, the US defence secretary, said.


    “It went higher frankly than any previous shot they’ve taken, a research and development effort on their part to continue building ballistic missiles that can threaten everywhere in the world, basically," he told reporters at the White House.


    Many nuclear experts say the North has yet to prove it has mastered all technical hurdles including the ability to deliver a nuclear warhead reliably atop an ICBM, but likely soon will.
    We don't have to like it, but we're going to have to learn to live with North Korea's ability to target the United States with nuclear weapons," said Jeffrey Lewis, head of the East Asia Nonproliferation Programme at the Middlebury Institute of Strategic Studies.

    South Korea responded by almost immediately launching three of its own missiles in a show of force. President Moon Jae-in expressed worry that North Korea's growing missile threat could force the United States to attack the North before it masters a nuclear-tipped long-range missile, something experts say may be imminent.

    "If North Korea completes a ballistic missile that could reach from one continent to another, the situation can spiral out of control," Mr Moon said at an emergency meeting in Seoul, according to his office. "We must stop a situation where North Korea miscalculates and threatens us with nuclear weapons or where the United States considers a pre-emptive strike."
    Mr Trump spoke to Sinzo Abe, the Japanese prime minister, after the test. The two leaders agreed that China needed to play an increased role to tackle the crisis.

    In a phone call the leaders "agreed to strengthen our deterrence capability against the North Korean threat," said Yasutoshi Nishimura, Japan's deputy chief cabinet secretary.


    Mr Abe described the launch as a "violent act" that "can never be tolerated", while Moon Jae-in, the South Korean president, said the test was a "serious threat" to global peace
    UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres urged Pyongyang to "desist taking any further destabilising steps."

    Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary called on North Korea to "change course".

    "This is not the path to security and prosperity for the North Korean people. DPRK regime must change course," Mr Johnson said.
    The UN Security Council has scheduled an emergency meeting for Wednesday to discuss the provocation.


    Japanese Defence Minister Itsunori Onodera said it was judged to be ICBM class given its lofted trajectory.

    "If these numbers are correct, then if flown on a standard trajectory rather than this lofted trajectory, this missile would have a range of more than 13,000 km (8,100 miles) ... Such a missile would have more than enough range to reach Washington, D.C., and in fact any part of the continental United States," the US-based Union of Concerned Scientists said.

    However, it was unclear how heavy a payload the missile was carrying, and it was uncertain if it could carry a large nuclear warhead that far, the nonprofit science advocacy group added.
    The test came just days after Mr Trump added North Korea to America’s list of state sponsors of terror and unveiled new sanctions targeting its shipping, moves Pyongyang had called a “serious provocation and violent infringement”.

    It came weeks after Mr Trump returned from a tour of Asia where he sought to rally support for clamping down on North Korea’s economy.

    Hours before the launch, officials in Hawaii said wailing sirens last heard more than 20 years ago would sound for 60 seconds at more than 400 locations on the first working day of each month, starting in December. In the event of a real attack, the sirens would give Hawaiians 12 to 15 minutes of warning before impact. Richard Rapoza, Hawaii’s emergency management spokesman, said: “We stopped using them in the mid-Nineties after the Cold War ended.”


    The new siren tests were to be accompanied by public service announcements urging residents to “get inside, stay inside and stay tuned”. Announcing the tests, Mr Rapoza said a single 150-kiloton weapon detonated over Pearl Harbor, on the main island of Oahu, would be expected to kill 18,000 people and injure 120,000.

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    The future does not look good at all!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,904
    Is it wrong to develop this kind of weapon systems, or is it wrong for them ?
    It is definitely wrong for them. Wrong today, in this context, and based on their country's history.
    It's also wrong for other countries to allow it to happen.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,904
    But there's always hope.
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  • Posts: 7,507
    Is it wrong to develop this kind of weapon systems, or is it wrong for them ?
    It is definitely wrong for them. Wrong today, in this context, and based on their country's history.
    It's also wrong for other countries to allow it to happen.


    No one should have nuclrar weapons, period
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