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Yes, just shoot them on the spot and let them rot. This is the perfect example of a country in decline. The USA used to be a defender of rights. And now it's being dragged back into the middle ages by voters who think its OK to to treat some humans worse than animals and express that opinion openly. Trump is the effect of this and not the cause.
PS and rather encourage open debate, criticise those who have an alternative view as being mentally ill. That is pure Trump talk.
New York: 'Explosion' at Manhattan bus terminal.
New York City Police say they are responding to reports of an explosion at a bus terminal in Manhattan.
The incident reportedly happened on Monday morning at the Port Authority Bus Terminal near Times Square.
"The NYPD is responding to reports of an explosion of unknown origin at 42nd Street and 8th Ave, #Manhattan," tweeted the department.
"The A, C and E line are being evacuated at this time. Info is preliminary, more when available."
ABC News quotes police sources as saying that a possible pipe bomb was detonated in a passageway below ground at the terminal.
enforcement sources told an NBC affiliate that a suspect went into Port Authority carrying a device that went off prematurely and he was taken into custody.
A man with a "possible second device" was detained in the subway tunnel, law enforcement sources told WPIX TV.
He was described him as "having wires coming out of him", according to the New York television station
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said President Donald Trump has been briefed on the incident.
One person is in custody and there is at least one injury, according to cable networks.
The Port Authority Bus Terminal is the largest in the US, serving more than 65 million people a year.
Terrible news from NYC. Hope not many are affected.
What's there to 'wow'about? The fact that is that one state, the biggest one might add, had an overwhealming vote different from your perspective hence you want to take them out of the voting system? Do you even understand the concept of democracy?
Fascinating statement. First off, I've got a BA at an internationally renowned University, and
am now getting my MA at the same one (albeit there's ten years inbetween). Or isn't that what you mean with 'educated'? It is odd but I don't know your friend at the NSA, so I can't really comment on that, but I do know that there's little facts to go on here to support your statement. That's exactly what got so many people here worried (read the last pages)! We're not really standing in line to applaude a nuclear war, something your 'commander in chief'is actively pushing towards.
Utter nonsense. She never ever proposed that. Fox and Breitbard and other sites come up with utter nonsense and fabrications to let people believe this, and apparently their 'good education' has stopped them from thinking critically completely. Even more nonsense. Why would she do that and why would Russia, a country that mines uranium itself!!!!! buy it from Clinton?
Everything else again is made up, except for perhaps Bill's speeches, I don't know about that, but all former presidents do this, and there's absolutely nothing illigal about it. The man is commander in chief and after saying stupid things manages to do what? the job of a local police department? This is clutchin at straws. Funny how you apparently think illegals aren't human. Oh, so it isn't your commander in chief who's trying to get the biggest oaf in international politics to show he's actually got an H-bomb?
His point may have been inelegantly expressed, but he has a point nonetheless. Let’s step outside the Trump (or any personality for that matter) issue for a moment and look at the situation (and any geopolitical matter) generally and strategically if we can, and in this context in terms of what constitutes a nation. Any nation anywhere. A fundamental aspect of that is protected borders. Look at Dover or Calais. At least there one has many migrants escaping legitimate persecution. That is not the case at the US/Mexican border. Folks are coming over for a better life (debatable whether they get it perhaps) from everywhere (including South America). That is 'immigration'. In this case it must be done legally and every country has a right to determine the criteria for immigration (whether it be skills based or whatever). That is not racism. It's widely accepted common sense. There are laws on the books and they must be followed. Otherwise change the laws or remove the law if you want open season. Even if it is a refugee claim it must be done legally and that is the case in all civilized countries. People mention the past and how people came over by the boatload. Well that was the past, and the nation wasn't trillions of $ in debt then and didn't have the social safety net and security concerns it has now either.
Other countries, as you know, are facing these kinds of issues as well, but in far lesser numbers. The number that's bandied about for 'illegals' in the US is 11m. That number has been used since the 1980's. Do we really believe that’s the number? The issue is nobody really even knows what it is, and that in itself should be a major concern. Think about that number for a moment? That’s more than the entire population of many countries. We all know about the German problem re: 1m refugees. Canada has recently had some issues with a few Haitians coming into Montreal, even though the numbers are just in the 10’s of thousands (yes, you read that right, thousands only). A Srilankan family was recently deported. even though they had been contributing to society in the years they were there. Why? Coming in illegally. As I said, one must be a nation with borders. Most understand that.
If we want to stem the global refugee problem (as opposed to illegal immigration) it would be helpful to start by not creating illegal wars everywhere in order to facilitate weapons sales which in turn inevitably lead to local conflict which result in population displacement. Oh, but perhaps that is the ultimate aim after all? How can one sell weapons if there is peace? Japan has recently agreed to open the coffers after years of restraint due to fears of North Korea/China. As an aside, what did people think Saudi Arabia was going to do with all the weapons that the UK, France and US sold them over the past few years (yes, under that 'other' Administration. You know, the supposedly good and humane one)? Why is anyone surprised by Yemen/Qatar? It was inevitable.
This is all one shell big game funded by the military, oil and banking interests. Both sides of the legislative aisle and politicians in some Western countries cheered when the US bombed an airfield (an airfield!) after notifying Russian and Syrian authorities well in advance that it was coming (if people can't understand why the Administration notified the authorities in advance, and why the cheering occurred by those who didn’t make the decision, then they aren't looking closely enough). This is not an American issue although they are the biggest problem. It’s a Western problem. A cancer. Then people worry about terrorism?
Those worrying about a North Korean nuclear conflict shouldn't be concerned imho. The nuclear deterrent eliminates that risk. “MAD” and all that. Neither side is as crazy as the sensationalist media will have you believe. Kim didn't start his build up because of Trump. He started it because of Libya and Iraq. Any country that gives up a nuclear ambition gets invaded. That was his calculus and can one blame him when his side of the demilitarized zone is an economic mess in comparison with the south? Collapse is inevitable from within if he doesn't have something to show his people. Iran will do the same eventually (nuclear deal or no nuclear deal) given the mess in the Middle East now. North Korea is strategic to China. South Korea is strategic to the US. Russia is a neighbour of North Korea. It makes sense to maintain the status quo there for the time being. Nuclear weapons actually do that in a round about way. Nothing to worry about here. Move along.
If people can't see where the real power and leverage is in Western Govts (it's not with the elected officials), they aren't looking closely enough. There is a very powerfully funded shadow element that wants war. It craves it. It's their raison d'etre. They own both sides of the govt. They must be stopped. The rest is just distraction to cause infighting to control & distract the masses (which seems to work for some reason which evades me - emotional issues are always an easy button to press).
Most great nations and civilizations implode from within due to their own stupidity rather than from an external threat. Time to stop the infighting people.
do you agree with the original absolute statement that "illegals" have no rights. The answer is either yes or no. (if it's a no, you are insane?)
"His point may have been inelegantly expressed"
Yes but it was made clearly and concisely and no fence sitting which one has to respect.. I dont think the point needs to be made with elegance. It would not change the meaning of it or acheive anything more.
Regarding the question of 'illegals' having no rights. No, of course not. They have human rights. That doesn't mean they have automatic refugee or immigration claim on the country in which they arrived in illegally however. That is a matter of law and is the case in nearly every civilized country. Look at the Canada example I gave above. That family was in the country for a few years and they were sent back.
How do you send 11m (or whatever the number is) people back? You simply can't. They're in, even though they came in the wrong way. Good for them. However, I'm all for stopping that kind of law breaking going forward.
A binary view of the World, like a political light switch, right v wrong, on versus off, with no depth, space for thought or consideration of different views.
So the solutions for simple issues are simple solutions. (illegals have no rights, so just shoot them...simple) It's a tempting view of the World but life is not that simple.
and if you are wrong, then you are not different or valued for your input into the debate. You are insane.
You're making assumptions about him as a person which are wrong. I could make the same assumptions about you based on some of your strong remarks about religion, but I choose not to, because I don't think you're a monster either.
So, I'm out of here for now.
I'm going to chance my arm and go out on a limb here but I think he probably wasn't from the militant branch of PETA.
How surprising................................................not.
No no no, you've got it all wrong. It's got to be a #metoo thing, right? He's probably fighting for our right to smack women on the bottom and dismiss them while saying "man talk".
In that case I'm right err behind his cause.
Thanks @bondjames for the support.
Let me break it down for you since you’re a little confused and media brainwashed. Why would non USA citizens get benefits and rights in a country where they are not LEGAL citizens?
You do understand that in America they push diversity in college and a lot of illegals get full ride scholarships because of their race right? They are not USA citizens and do not put in half of their paychecks like everyone else does. I work at a company and in a different department they employ around 50 illegal Mexicans. They openly admit to being illegally here. They get paid in cash and we get paychecks. Why? They do good work but they again do not get taxed for getting paid all in cash while we get paid via checks which is automatically taxed. You factor in Medicaid, my dental and health insurance and other taxes and you can kinda see how that screws a lot of people!
I am not a Canadian citizen but if I were to travel to Canada and stay in a hotel for a few months could I get free healthcare? No I am not a Canadian citizen.
The fact that you think I myself want to round up Mexicans and murder them is outrageous. I don’t understand how a person who claims to be so smart and has an education would think that is the take away.. You obviously know very little about America or the illegal immigration problem. I have NO issue with anything who comes to America LEGALLY and pays taxes like me. No issue..
I have an issue with illegal immigrants who should have ZERO American rights. Again why should non Americans benefit off of my taxes?
They have no plans on becoming American citizens. They want to come here to work and live fine. They don’t want to become citizens then okay.
Do not give them access to benefits like welfare, college scholarships, food stamps and other benefits that an American citizen who pays taxes would receive... Again before you spew your hate think. Don’t ever assume I want to have people rounded up and murdered. That is absolutely sickening and disgusting.
His point was definately ill-expressed, and considering the other points he made I'm not quite convinced he thought it through as far as you have. Still worth the debate of course.
I've been looking around for some valid numbers but it seems they're hard to get by.
The borders of countries were devised to make clear under what law one would live, or by which rules to abide. It is true that if an influx of people who don't hold to those rules come barging in such a country will have a hard time keeping it's rules in place.
Allthough I've been in favour of strict rulings before, I've been challanged on that idea recently. Why not give people a chance and see if they're willing to adjust and 'work for their money'. If so they should have all the rights the locals have, especially one could argue in a country build on immigrants.
Sending those Srilankans may have thus been a bad idea, whereas if they didn't have an income, it would be a good idea.
From close by I know what it's like to be confronted with such 'rules', and they seem to be ok, but in practice they end up most inhumane (my girlfriend/fiancee is an immigrant). And after all, all humans have humanitarian rights. By the way things were said above one could read that's something that was blatantly overlooked (or not acknowledged).
I agree on your assessment of where the real problem lies, especially (or most visible) in the US, where there's no limits to the ease with which politicians are bought, as you said, on both sides. The thing I've been fighting here is the 'fake news' which as you've seen is, again, everywhere on both sides. And the country is so devided they seem to think everything is allowed. That in itself is extremely dangerous.
I would propose to Trump to stop the war on drugs instead of building the wall. It saves a lot of money and I can guarantee you the amount of refugees from Mexico wil decrease dramatically.
I don't agree on your assessment of NK. MAD only works if both sides are very much awar of the implications. Trump I can give the benefit of the doubt because he's got a military system that might keep him in check. Kim Jung Un however is something else. It isn't his doctrine, it's his father's. Of him we know only that he cares even less about human lives then his father did, it's unclear he knows what his own country really looks like and it's easy to upset him and he takes it personal.
Thankfully the US President never comes up with personal insults or is as stable and thoughtfull and decisive when he should be as you can expect from a commander in chief...
oh wait....
tbh I don't care anymore about the political system the US chooses, but I do care about facts. If they choose in favour of lenient gun laws and accept mass shootings, that's fine by me (but stop whining about them then), if they choose agains minimum wages because they prefer a small group of very rich people instead of a decent middle class and call it trickle down (which litterally means there's little going from the top to the bottom) fine, but stop complaining about the 1% then.
Oh...waiiiiiit...
See my post above.
I did think it through it just shows that people like you who claim to be educated do not understand the issue.
Do you work with illegal Mexican immigrants in your workplace because I seriously doubt you do.
Do you watch them get paid in cash and not pay taxes while you lose half of your paycheck? They receive a lot of benefits like food stamps, welfare and many go to college on full ride scholarships. Benefits I myself, do not receive.
Getting paid in cash is untraceable.
You have to report income but it is very easy to say “I only made $15,000”, when maybe you work multiple jobs for cash and get paid $30,000. Huge difference. A lot of them do benefit off of that. The reason they get paid in cash is because technically people can get into trouble for hiring them knowing they are illegal. It is against the law.
Now if they are just mowing lawns in a neighborhood it’s not like anyone cares where they from but when they are employed by a huge corporation that has companies all over the world like the one I work for, then that becomes a problem. Major difference between being employed by a company vs saying hey I’ll mow your lawn for this amount in cash...
Like I said above, if I were to goto Canada and stay in a hotel for a few months could I try and get free healthcare or free dental work done? Absolutely not. I am not a Canadian citizen.
There is a process If you want to benefit off of American tax payers then you must also be an American citizen who pays taxes...
If that’s not simple enough for you then I’ll make it easier!
Let’s say you pay $20,000 for an initiation fee to a nice country club. (That’s standard at a lot of clubs).
Now on top of that you pay $2,000 a month. ($20,000 a year so $40,000 combined).
Let’s say you get a few people who are NOT members and they pay ZERO dollars for anything, but yet they show up and enjoy the use of the private country club. Is that fair? You have a person paying $40K a year for a membership and someone using the club for free... Can you see why that would make a lot of people mad?
The democrats want sanctuary cities.
Did you not see the news with the recent acquittal of the illegal who was a felon and had gotten deported five times?! He should’ve never been allowed back into the country considering he was a felon in Mexico and in the USA. Yet he managed to get into a sanctuary city and kill a young innocent girl who was casually walking with her father. With a gun that was stolen from a police vehicle. They could not verify that he himself stole the gun but he used the gun to kill her. Even though he got off because “It was an accident”..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_Steinle
You might be smart but there’s also this thing called experience. You might be fully educated on a certain state or country but if you don’t live there you do not understand or know what it’s like..
Why not? they have no rights. (the right to life is under article one of the UN Universal Declaration but you claim they dont have that right?) I did not say that you wanted to kill them but a human with no rights? Do you really mean that? And the concept that certain rights suddenly dont exists once you cross a border? There is a broad concensus across Western culture and beyond that certain rights go beyond national boundaries. It's a remarkable thing to claim...more so when claiming that anyone who disagrees is mentally disabled.
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
Wow you cannot read!!!
I said they have NO AMERICAN RIGHTS. Do yourself a favor and re read my post above about how they take advantage of American tax payers. You really are clueless. I hope you are under the age of eighteen because if not you are a lost cause.
Way to continuously personally attack me when you cannot even read!
I like to imagine any doctors or hospital staff coming into contact with him are magically out of painkillers, band-aids and clean gloves.
And then drop him in a deep hole and strap a fully functioning pipe-bomb to his behind and remote detonate. He will probably learn the difference between amateurs and professional made explosives.
The last thing that went through his mind was his a&%e. ;)
And accidentally purs a finger in his eye. Or maybe both.
"Anyone who thinks illegals should have any benefits or rights is insane"
"I said they have NO AMERICAN RIGHTS."
Apologies for my confusion.
'Can you give us your health insurance details before we can sign off on the morphine? What's that? You haven't got any? Well you can piss off then can't you son.'
No doubt in the NHS he would be loaded up on painkillers in a private room while some poor old duffer who fought on the beaches on D-Day sat in a corridor with a broken ankle for 48hrs.
@CASINOROYALE
Well, let's clear something up to an extent. They do pay taxes, in the form of sales tax. If you want more people to pay their fair share, then propose sales taxes and get rid of income taxes. But that proposal tends to hurt the poor more than the wealthy. But back to the point: the idea that undocumented workers contribute "nothing" is simply not true. That money in their hands helps the economy.
I am not sure what the answer is to the issue. I live in Arizona and so we are at the front line. What I do know is that the vast majority of Mexicans and Hispanics, coming to the U.S. are doing so to help their own families, to have a better life, not to murder and rape people. I can't fault them for that. None of us (not a single one of us) has any control over the circumstances of our birth. I am fortunate to have been born in the U.S., to have opportunities that most humans on this planet do not have. I don't like the "high and mighty" privileged point of view that many have. As a so-called "Christian" nation, we should be better than that. Jesus would not approve.
You want to know what solution is better than building a wall? Legalizing all drugs. Once that happens, there is no more drug trade, and soon crime associated with it will dissipate.
You also wonder why "Non Americans" should benefit from your taxes. My lord, you don't want to head down that road. I mean, you pay more in taxes to help defend Saudis than you pay to give Mexicans for health insurance. You have paid more in taxes to destroy Iraq and then rebuild it than you have on food stamps for Mexicans.
a reply of class, insight and empathy.
Thanks for the absolute bullseye here my friend.