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And now they send thoughts and prayers as if it can resolve anything. Didn't work so well before.
Congressional action of some kind is what it'll take. Empty thoughts and prayers will keep us in this cycle of mass shootings for the rest of our days.
Yep. As horrible as this is it feels sort of pointless saying anything really. Nothing's going to change. Just glad I'm not American.
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So you are advocating being able to sue someone for their product doing precisely what they said it would do when someone has legally purchased it and put it to the use it was designed for? What fresh insanity is this?
Quite. It certainly is a mental health issue but I suppose you can't lock a whole population up can you?
Moron though he is this can't really be levelled at Trump's door. Hilary would be doing nothing differently when it comes to this issue. The bottom line is it would be suicide for your campaign for any presidential candidate to come out in favour of gun control.
Was just in Tesco and had a quick butchers at the front pages. There's only the Mirror who led with this. Everyone else had more interesting stories to cover.
These weekly shootings aren't even worth reporting any more for those of us in the civilised world because the yanks have no desire for change so let's leave them to it.
That's a good point actually.
If we assume everyone can have access to an assault rifle then the solution is clearly to tool teachers up like Arnie at the end of Commando.
But then what if a teacher turns out to be a mentalist? Guess they ought to get the pupils all tooled up too and then on and on.
Within 10 years every person in America would have an app on their phone that calls in a nuclear strike to protect themselves. The Cold War never kicked off did it because of the deterrent factor so it actually makes total sense.
its getting boring now,and the rest of the world arn't that bothered now.
More Americans die today due to domestic gun violence than in wars or terror attacks. It won't be long before Canada is going to build a wall to keep the nutters out. ;)
Yep. The weapon is designed to kill as easily and effectively as it can. And when it does that, the business that put its time, energy, and money into designing and manufacturing that machine MUST be held liable for ever producing it for the public in the first place. Go to Colt's website and look at how the weapon is marketed. Its purpose is clear: to be highly effective in killing people.
Ask the cigarette/tobacco industry how this works.
@jobo : the vast majority of Americans want something done. But nothing gets done because we do NOT live in a democracy. The conservatives have a stranglehold on the government because they have power far out of proportion with their # of supporters. Our system of government is a complete mess. Example: states like Wyoming, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, Iowa, and Kansas send 12 senators to DC (and all would be betrothed to the NRA). California and New York, with 10x the population of those other six states combined, send 4. There's the reason why we have the mess we have.
I am sure many overseas scratch their heads as to how/why Trump won an election in which more people voted for his opponent.
Yeah. It's a mess.
Quoted for truth.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/poll-voters-divided-government-role-gun-control-access-n598676
To quote Pierce himself 'You really are quite insane.'
The point of cigarettes isn't to give you cancer it's to give you a nicotine high. Yes cancer is an unfortunate side effect that the fag companies knew about and kept quiet for fear of damaging sales so of course people have legal recourse against them for that.
But a gun has literally no other purpose than to kill so for you to try and file suit you'd need to attempt to prove that you were so monumentally thick you had the intellectual agility of cold snot and didn't realise the new gun you bought to mow your lawn or brush your hair with had the capacity to kill.
Maybe you want gun companies to put pictures on the side of the box of a bloke with his head blown off like fags have to of cancerous tumours to warn of the dangers of shooting guns? Although in the case of a gun that's more like advertising than a warning because blowing people's heads off IS WHAT GUNS ARE DESIGNED TO DO.
Jesus. Please tell me that even in America you are banned from owning a gun?
You realize that victims of gun violence were legally allowed to sue until 2005. That is when the Republicans (and a few Democrats) passed legislation to make gun manufacturers immune from such suits. It is the ONLY industry in America that has that luxury. Time to go back to the old ways.
Let me ask you this: suppose a company manufacturers drones with weaponry already attached. The company has figured out how to easily shoot down aircraft with that drone and then manufactures those drones and sells them to the public, knowing they are designed to take down just about anything. How much you want to bet that when an airliner goes down, at the hands of one of those drones, that drone manufacturer will get sued to hell.
Yes, they would.
Quoted for truth.
WTF? Is America really in such a state that you actually consider this a sane statement?
Let me explain to you how things work in the civilised world. We, as a society, over hundreds of years have evolved what, for want of a better word, we call 'the law'.
This 'law' is a set of rules that everybody is forced to live by and is regulated by something called 'government' which is ostensibly a group of people who are chosen by all the other people to run things and prevent anarchy from running riot.
Now in evolved countries (ie not America or African war zones) there's a list of things that society via government and the law has deemed 'illegal'. As a libertarian some of these are annoying as it should be the individual's choice how they live their life but they are necessary compromises so that we can all live in relative peace and prosperity.
A few examples: selling heroin, driving at over 70mph, rape, smoking in public, murder, drink driving, owning an assault rifle, downloading child porn and - quelle surprise - being able to buy an armed drone capable of taking down an airliner.
You'll have to explain to the rest of us why your government isn't able to enact similar 'laws' for the good of society as a whole?
Now I'm no expert on the American legal system (in a nutshell if you're black you're going down, unless you're rich and then you get off is how it works isn't it?) so you may well be correct that if your supine government allowed Lockheed Martin to produce and market an affordable drone for taking down aircraft that was available for the public to buy in Walmart and someone happened to shoot down a 747 with their drone they could then sue.
Apart from the fact that they would get nowhere as Lockheed's lawyers would tangle them up until they ran out of money to fund their lawsuit, this case is surely bereft of any merit if the company clearly labelled the box 'Airlinerbuster Drone - Shoot planes out of the sky from the comfort of your own home'? If the government saw no problem with this and allowed them to sell it to the public (highly plausible - this is America remember) what has the company done wrong exactly? By your rationale every time someone gets run over by a drunk driver the car company is at fault and is sued for producing a car that could go fast enough to kill someone if it hit them?
This whole conversation is inherently ludicrous anyway as the reason we have governments is to stop the general public having access to lethal weaponry. OK we have to have knives for cooking, axes for chopping wood and there's a justification for farmers to own guns so you can never eliminate dangerous objects altogether. But the thought of arming teachers simply because it's more important to protect people's perceived 'fundamental human right' to have access to a gun than it is to protect children's lives is beyond insane. It's actually quite sick.
After the last shooting, I pointed out that the next group of victims were going about their lives with no awarness that their lives would be cut short. It turns out that there were 17 of them and they lived in Florida.
The next group are currently sleeping soundly in their beds with maybe around a year of their lives left before they become the next group to be remembered by Presidential prayers and a candle lit vigil.
The image of Trump in his pyjamas, his hair dragging along the floor, kneeling by his bedside, pleading for God to do something about the guns in his Country is beyond parody.
I have read (happy to be corrected) that in many states, this shooter was too young to buy a beer? What group of sane adults considers a pint of beer a greater danger than an assault rifle????
You're not seeing my point, @TheWizardOfIce. because we are in agreement: the guns have to be off the streets. You think government needs to do something. So do I. What they need to do is repeal the 2005 law that shielded gun manufacturers from lawsuits:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act
Strong gun laws is one step. But forcing gun manufacturers into pulling assault/military rifles from their public sales is also necessary. The only way to do that is nail them for manufacturing these guns and selling them.
https://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/AR15A4
The AR-15 has no other useful purpose than to F people up. Why is Colt marketing and normalizing this weapon?
Its one big merry-go-round.
murder-outrage-sympathy-tributes-murder-outrage-sympathy-tributes-murder....etc