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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,032
    Ludovico wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    He's a sly old bugger too,i'm sure a lot will be happening 'behind the scenes' to influence the vote.


    Nah. "Sly" implies he is intelligent. He has sly old buggers working for him is more like it.

    He's like a real John Iselin.

    Who's he? Google was not a real help.

    The Manchurian Candidate.

    Thanks. Been ages since I saw that film, and don't remember the characters.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,118
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    He's a sly old bugger too,i'm sure a lot will be happening 'behind the scenes' to influence the vote.


    Nah. "Sly" implies he is intelligent. He has sly old buggers working for him is more like it.

    He's like a real John Iselin.

    Who's he? Google was not a real help.

    The Manchurian Candidate.

    Thanks. Been ages since I saw that film, and don't remember the characters.

    Did you watch the original or the remake? He's not in the remake (one of the many, many issues that stupid mobie has).
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,255
    Thrasos wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    President Trump 'to run for re-election in 2020'.
    [/i]
    I don't think there's a chance he'll get re-elected. Yes, a lot can happen between now and then, and Trump has a lot of supporters. But I suspect there'll be better Republican candidates, probably better than last time--and many new Democratic candidates too--the one that comes to mind is California's Kamala Harris, former state attorney general. When I saw her speech when she won her Senate seat, I knew she had "it" and is a smart cookie. Democrats will try like hell to make sure they beat Trump, especially given how many of them hate him. I think the fact that many younger Americans are being more vocal and more politically active will play some kind of a part too. But we have to guard against socialism.

    This leaves so many questions in my head I hardly know where to start:

    - why do you think socialism is even an option in the United States of Greed?
    - why would it be a danger?
    - Why did you even think up socialism when the closest the US got to socialism was more then 70 years ago when Roosevelt tried to get you guys out of the depression?

    I'll leave it at that, most other questions follow the same line. The US is as close to socialism as the pope is to turning protestant. The questions remain though, what's there to fear?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Thrasos wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    President Trump 'to run for re-election in 2020'.
    [/i]
    I don't think there's a chance he'll get re-elected. Yes, a lot can happen between now and then, and Trump has a lot of supporters. But I suspect there'll be better Republican candidates, probably better than last time--and many new Democratic candidates too--the one that comes to mind is California's Kamala Harris, former state attorney general. When I saw her speech when she won her Senate seat, I knew she had "it" and is a smart cookie. Democrats will try like hell to make sure they beat Trump, especially given how many of them hate him. I think the fact that many younger Americans are being more vocal and more politically active will play some kind of a part too. But we have to guard against socialism.

    This leaves so many questions in my head I hardly know where to start:

    - why do you think socialism is even an option in the United States of Greed?
    - why would it be a danger?
    - Why did you even think up socialism when the closest the US got to socialism was more then 70 years ago when Roosevelt tried to get you guys out of the depression?

    I'll leave it at that, most other questions follow the same line. The US is as close to socialism as the pope is to turning protestant. The questions remain though, what's there to fear?

    Two words - Jeremy Corbyn.

    The states are safe enough from this (they just have Trump and the population running round with machine guns) but by default, due to the Tories being beyond a shambles, the UK is heading for a Marxist, Sinn Fein/Hamas appeasing PM at the next election.

    I can't really see how Jezza can fail to win the election (or, more accurately, should that be I can't see how the Tories can fail to lose?) and then, in the immortal words of the Sun 'Can the last person to leave Britain please turn off the lights.'
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798


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  • ThrasosThrasos
    Posts: 1,469
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The Manchurian Candidate.
    Classic movie in my book! And may I say that Ludovico is bravest, kindest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known :)
  • ThrasosThrasos
    Posts: 1,469
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    - why do you think socialism is even an option in the United States of Greed?
    - why would it be a danger?
    - Why did you even think up socialism when the closest the US got to socialism was more then 70 years ago when Roosevelt tried to get you guys out of the depression?

    I'll leave it at that, most other questions follow the same line. The US is as close to socialism as the pope is to turning protestant. The questions remain though, what's there to fear?
    You're most likely right that the U.S. would never go socialist--especially if Trump gets in a second term (which I doubt). But many here are clamoring for health care for all, free college for everybody, and seemingly wanting to throw open the borders. I haven't studied the issue but see signs that Americans are becoming more anti-capitalist, partly because of persistent wage inequality--and Bernie Sanders was so popular. This is the only reason why I mentioned socialism, in an off-handed way. While I usually vote Democratic, I'm moderate in most ways, so that's how I view things. I also think the U.S. debt is a big issue that's being ignored, and Trump's recent tax cuts piled onto that. Why, do you like socialism?
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
    edited March 2018 Posts: 3,566
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Trump will win re election. Trump has the electoral college on his side and that’s what he is gonna play off of. Not the popular vote

    If Trump isn't removed from office through impeachment or resignation, and if he survives until 2020 (my $ is frankly on him suffering a heart attack, given his wretched diet and the increasing pressure he's obviously feeling in his train wreck of an administration) he will lose HUGELY.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Trump will win re election. Trump has the electoral college on his side and that’s what he is gonna play off of. Not the popular vote

    If Trump isn't removed from office through impeachment or resignation, and if he survives until 2020 (my $ is frankly on him suffering a heart attack, given his wretched diet and the increasing pressure he's obviously feeling in his train wreck of an administration) he will be lose HUGELY.

    No way will he run in 2020.... he hates this, and won't LIVE much longer unless he gets out.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    With people like this,

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/02/28/rep-don-young-how-many-jews-were-put-ovens-because-they-were-unarmed/382519002/

    Trump could easily win again. Because right now, this is the kind of politicians that gets the people's votes, worldwide.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,118
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Thrasos wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    President Trump 'to run for re-election in 2020'.
    [/i]
    I don't think there's a chance he'll get re-elected. Yes, a lot can happen between now and then, and Trump has a lot of supporters. But I suspect there'll be better Republican candidates, probably better than last time--and many new Democratic candidates too--the one that comes to mind is California's Kamala Harris, former state attorney general. When I saw her speech when she won her Senate seat, I knew she had "it" and is a smart cookie. Democrats will try like hell to make sure they beat Trump, especially given how many of them hate him. I think the fact that many younger Americans are being more vocal and more politically active will play some kind of a part too. But we have to guard against socialism.

    This leaves so many questions in my head I hardly know where to start:

    - why do you think socialism is even an option in the United States of Greed?
    - why would it be a danger?
    - Why did you even think up socialism when the closest the US got to socialism was more then 70 years ago when Roosevelt tried to get you guys out of the depression?

    I'll leave it at that, most other questions follow the same line. The US is as close to socialism as the pope is to turning protestant. The questions remain though, what's there to fear?

    Two words - Jeremy Corbyn.

    The states are safe enough from this (they just have Trump and the population running round with machine guns) but by default, due to the Tories being beyond a shambles, the UK is heading for a Marxist, Sinn Fein/Hamas appeasing PM at the next election.

    I can't really see how Jezza can fail to win the election (or, more accurately, should that be I can't see how the Tories can fail to lose?) and then, in the immortal words of the Sun 'Can the last person to leave Britain please turn off the lights.'

    Somehow I doubt Corbyn will get elected. He'll get close like last time but he won't make it.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    Thrasos wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    - why do you think socialism is even an option in the United States of Greed?
    - why would it be a danger?
    - Why did you even think up socialism when the closest the US got to socialism was more then 70 years ago when Roosevelt tried to get you guys out of the depression?

    I'll leave it at that, most other questions follow the same line. The US is as close to socialism as the pope is to turning protestant. The questions remain though, what's there to fear?
    You're most likely right that the U.S. would never go socialist--especially if Trump gets in a second term (which I doubt). But many here are clamoring for health care for all, free college for everybody, and seemingly wanting to throw open the borders. I haven't studied the issue but see signs that Americans are becoming more anti-capitalist, partly because of persistent wage inequality--and Bernie Sanders was so popular. This is the only reason why I mentioned socialism, in an off-handed way. While I usually vote Democratic, I'm moderate in most ways, so that's how I view things. I also think the U.S. debt is a big issue that's being ignored, and Trump's recent tax cuts piled onto that. Why, do you like socialism?


    This is exactly the kind of comment that makes people outside the US scetch their heads in confusion and frustration. Health care for all is an obvious human right! Practically everyone has it outside the US. It has nothing to with 'socialism'.

    I am curious if you can answer these two questions:

    1) Why is health care (and/or free college for that matter) for all a bad thing?

    As I said this would not even come close to making USA socialist, but even if that was the case; 2) why would that be a bad thing if it improved the life quality of Americans?
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Thrasos wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    President Trump 'to run for re-election in 2020'.
    [/i]
    I don't think there's a chance he'll get re-elected. Yes, a lot can happen between now and then, and Trump has a lot of supporters. But I suspect there'll be better Republican candidates, probably better than last time--and many new Democratic candidates too--the one that comes to mind is California's Kamala Harris, former state attorney general. When I saw her speech when she won her Senate seat, I knew she had "it" and is a smart cookie. Democrats will try like hell to make sure they beat Trump, especially given how many of them hate him. I think the fact that many younger Americans are being more vocal and more politically active will play some kind of a part too. But we have to guard against socialism.

    This leaves so many questions in my head I hardly know where to start:

    - why do you think socialism is even an option in the United States of Greed?
    - why would it be a danger?
    - Why did you even think up socialism when the closest the US got to socialism was more then 70 years ago when Roosevelt tried to get you guys out of the depression?

    I'll leave it at that, most other questions follow the same line. The US is as close to socialism as the pope is to turning protestant. The questions remain though, what's there to fear?

    Two words - Jeremy Corbyn.

    The states are safe enough from this (they just have Trump and the population running round with machine guns) but by default, due to the Tories being beyond a shambles, the UK is heading for a Marxist, Sinn Fein/Hamas appeasing PM at the next election.

    I can't really see how Jezza can fail to win the election (or, more accurately, should that be I can't see how the Tories can fail to lose?) and then, in the immortal words of the Sun 'Can the last person to leave Britain please turn off the lights.'

    After Brexit are we still allowed to leave Britain?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,032
    Ludovico wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    He's a sly old bugger too,i'm sure a lot will be happening 'behind the scenes' to influence the vote.


    Nah. "Sly" implies he is intelligent. He has sly old buggers working for him is more like it.

    He's like a real John Iselin.

    Who's he? Google was not a real help.

    The Manchurian Candidate.

    Thanks. Been ages since I saw that film, and don't remember the characters.

    Did you watch the original or the remake? He's not in the remake (one of the many, many issues that stupid mobie has).

    No, only the original and remember it was great...but still couldn't name the characters any more. Been at least twelve years or so.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    Who will the Democrats put up for the Presidency?
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,118
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Trump will win re election. Trump has the electoral college on his side and that’s what he is gonna play off of. Not the popular vote

    If Trump isn't removed from office through impeachment or resignation, and if he survives until 2020 (my $ is frankly on him suffering a heart attack, given his wretched diet and the increasing pressure he's obviously feeling in his train wreck of an administration) he will be lose HUGELY.

    If he runs I think he's got very good chances to win. And that's dangerous for American democracy. But he might die due to poor health: his diet is appalling and not sure he does that much exercise. Didn't he use a golf cart instead of walking with fellow world leaders at a G8 meeting? On the other hand he does not drink or smoke.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2018 Posts: 15,716
    Ongoing shooting on the campus of Central Michigan University.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/926327/Central-Michigan-University-shooting-mount-pleasant-police
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Our thoughts and prayers etc...

    See you again in a few weeks.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,968
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Our thoughts and prayers etc...

    See you again in a few weeks.

    Even that might be a little generous. Seems to be a weekly occurrence now.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Our thoughts and prayers etc...

    See you again in a few weeks.

    Even that might be a little generous. Seems to be a weekly occurrence now.

    True. It's become so tedious it's not even worth reporting any more unless the killer hits treble figures.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    As always, I partially blame the media.
    What's the chance this guy saw last week's news and thought, "hey, that's not such a bad idea..."?
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,118
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Our thoughts and prayers etc...

    See you again in a few weeks.

    Thoughts and prayers seem to be working fine so far...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Norway has more weapons per capita than the US, but also practically free mental healthcare.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    edited March 2018 Posts: 1,970
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Trump will win re election. Trump has the electoral college on his side and that’s what he is gonna play off of. Not the popular vote

    If Trump isn't removed from office through impeachment or resignation, and if he survives until 2020 (my $ is frankly on him suffering a heart attack, given his wretched diet and the increasing pressure he's obviously feeling in his train wreck of an administration) he will lose HUGELY.

    Trump will win in 2020. Like I said he has the EC that’s what he is gonna play off of. And the White House doc said Trumps in perfect health. So yea he’s gonna be running g
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 1,970
    chrisisall wrote: »
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Trump will win re election. Trump has the electoral college on his side and that’s what he is gonna play off of. Not the popular vote

    If Trump isn't removed from office through impeachment or resignation, and if he survives until 2020 (my $ is frankly on him suffering a heart attack, given his wretched diet and the increasing pressure he's obviously feeling in his train wreck of an administration) he will be lose HUGELY.

    No way will he run in 2020.... he hates this, and won't LIVE much longer unless he gets out.
    He’s already announced he’s running and has named his campaign manager already
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Trump will win re election. Trump has the electoral college on his side and that’s what he is gonna play off of. Not the popular vote

    If Trump isn't removed from office through impeachment or resignation, and if he survives until 2020 (my $ is frankly on him suffering a heart attack, given his wretched diet and the increasing pressure he's obviously feeling in his train wreck of an administration) he will lose HUGELY.

    Trump will win in 2020. Like I said he has the EC that’s what he is gonna play off of. And the White House doc said Trumps in perfect health. So yea he’s gonna be running g


    How can you be so certain he 'has the EC'? Some key states marginaly vipped in his favor last election. They could easily go the other way in 2020. That is even likely I would add. Republicans are losing ground in several states.

    It very much depends on who the democrat nominee is of course. But it shouldn't be a challenge to find a more popular candidate than Hillary Clinton to challenge what is probably the least popular president in US history...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Obama was less popular after his first year.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Obama was less popular after his first year.


    No he wasn't.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    You meant in Europe?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,968
    jobo wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Obama was less popular after his first year.


    No he wasn't.

    His approval ratings definitely dropped after a year. Happens to pretty much every President, I think.
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