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Absurd statement. Obviously the worst European leader since AH was Cameron.
May is a dreadful politician but I suspect her deal is the best the UK could have hoped for.
Even more so considering dictators such as Ceaucescu, Stalin, Honecker, Franco, Milosevic, Salazar (and some others that I can’t come up with right now) have all governed European countries after WW II. Says a lot about the historical knowledge of someone who proclaims such nonsense.
That s right. We must show some respect to the dead.
Mission Impossible:
Help!:
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I'm trying not to make a political point but if there is a risk to the economy then it's going to increase poverty, not make many people's lives better. Nigel Farage/Moog/Boris Johnson are not poor but not all leavers are well off.
I think we should stay in the EU but the EU should give us full control over immigration/borders, waters and the European Court of Justice has no say over us. We agree to give the EU a bit more money and they agree to our conditions. Let's face it, the EU wants our money as much as anything else! Sure, it's not a perfect scenerio but if we scrap leaving then May or whoever is the PM must insist on reform. We return to the club but under new terms. And then we can forget the whole affair and move on! Hooray!
He seems adamant that a no deal WTO/ free trade deal with the EU is the way forward but the more I think about it... the less credible it sounds. If the UK could leave under WTO rules and secure a free trade deal with the EU - many of the other 27 EU countries would do the same. There is zero incentive for the EU to agree to a free trade deal so I think Farage is a tad deluded.
There is a risk leaving with no deal, going with May's deal or remaining (which would annoy 17 million that voted to leave)! Brexit has no solution. The whole thing is a mess. Instinctively I'd prefer to leave but if the means to leave is flawed then remaining is the better option. The more practical option.
He is, and not merely a tad.
I like your thinking. ;-)
December 2018 is going to be a defining point in British politics! Hold on tight, folks, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!
We discussed possibly a second question on the paper, based on the options we have now:
"If you voted leave, please see the next question: Please select from the "May" option or a "no deal" option.
At least that means that the people have had a say in defining what leave is and bypasses all of the failed votes in the commons. It woud mean that we could move on with a mandate for exactly how we want to leave.
I suppose it's not that easy, @Thunderfinger. You can't just go back. Socio-economical, geopolitical, military and other affairs constantly evolve, become more intricate and complex, more connected, more entangled. It's impossible to wrench all of that backwards overnight.
Furthermore, I'm honestly convinced that people who are a lot smarter than you or I have good reasons for not just severing all ties and call it a day. If it were that easy, I bet it would have been done a long time ago, and not just by the EU. The fact that it's taking so long, that there's so much opposition, that influential people are not willing to simply humour the majority vote, tells me that in almost every conceivable "leave" scenario, the UK loses, which is why this "Brexit agreement" is hardly a Brexit at all.
Even Farage doesn't have all the answers, so much is clear. He and a few others have poisoned the minds of millions of Britons, appealed to their pride and fears, and marginally won a vote. But now that reality kicks in, there's a lot of yelling and protesting going on, and yet we're at a virtual stand-still. Why? Because the simple binary choice of "leave" or "remain" turns out to be much more difficult.
https://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/search/businesses-for-sale/articles/bank-of-englands-chief-economist-admits-errors-in-brexit-forecasts
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/04/mps-demand-for-brexit-legal-advice-too-vague-says-geoffrey-cox
I think this unredacted report will play into the hands of the leavers. If the government is trying to hide the potential damage of the 'Withdrawal deal', I can't see it's going to help May win the vote. She's doomed!
No, but the Advocate General for the case submitted his opinion that the UK could unilaterally revoke its notice and that the 27 couldn't do anything about it until the "leave agreement" has been signed. Whether the UK would make a crisis of it is another matter. And while the ECJ normally follows the Advocate General's opinion, sometimes it doesn't.
I'm sure that the ECJ would be glad to acquiese in this case however. It all comes back to the result of the referendum and choosing to remain in the EU most certainly goes against the democratic will of the people as stated in said referendum. Of course, as we well know, the EU is not an institution based on democratic values and so we can expect little else from its various legal and political bodies.
It has nothing to do with the referendum. If UK should change its mind (and the Advocate General stated expressly that that would have to be done based on the UK's constitutional provisions), the EU could do nothing about it for now (although I'm sure that at this point, at least half of the other members states would be glad if the UK leaves, as it is perceived as mainly a source of obstruction, and has been since Thatcher). But it's entirely and only up to the UK to decide. I find the EU quite democratic, in fact, and here it only respects a member state's democratic decision to leave. Not that I find a 52:48 decision sufficient for a decision that has at least the impact of a constitutional change, but even that is up to the British electorate and parliament.
I'm sorry, Nigel. Are your "we are the best and screw everybody else" politics getting out of hand? Have you corrupted too many brains? Or are you running away with your tail between your legs now that your beloved Brexit has turned the UK into a mess? We let your people go; now go ahead and survive the hardship of the desert on your own, Moses.
The UK joined the EU 45 years ago. Like the 60 year old man getting divorced and hoping to regain his youth, it ain't gonna happen