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Yes, that is mostly true. Not sure at all about your last point, however. I was thinking more about the opportunistic way she embraced Brexit in order to become Prime Minister in 2016. One would have thought a Leave candidate would have had their heart in it more, whoever that would have ultimately been. Why should a Remain candidate have benefited so much from the referendum outcome? If she believed in it that much, she'd have stuck to her guns and identified herself as a Leaver before the fact of the referendum!
There are a variety of ways in which the system can be strengthened including a requirement for more operating flexibility and buffers to be built in.
Exactly. The way she became an overnight Brexiteer stinks of hypocrisy. She knew Brexit was a bad idea and yet she's stood there now telling us it's great.
No wonder she can't sell anyone her rotten plan- she believes in it even less than everyone else.
#ledbydonkeys
I used to have some sympathy but no longer. I agree this is the best deal available but she has failed to make people understand that and that is her central failing as a leader.
She initially told people they could have their cake and eat it when she should have been saying " this is going to be tough and we are going to have to make compromises".
She's a key reason we are in this mess although ultimately the blame lies with Cameron and the easily conned people who voted leave. I have no time for suckers. Esp when all the facts are out there.
But she's a 'worker' as they say. A 'plodder'. The difficult act of divorce requires that now, just as Greece and Italy needed plodders in the recent past.
Once it's over, then a charismatic showboater with flamboyance can come in and raise spirits again (e.g. a Blair or Cameron). It's probably a few years (or even a decade) out.
Theresa May will press on with efforts to secure a revised Brexit deal, despite another Commons defeat, and will return to Brussels "within days".
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47251134
I take it Brexit is driven by racism, much like with Trump supporters in the US.
If you've got a one-track mind I suppose you'll believe that. It's very far from being the truth, though. The word you are actually looking for is called "sovereignty". I will agree that of course "racism" is an easier word to type, though.
I can't imagine people are arguing that sovereignty makes any financial sense for the UK, not with the geographic proximity and decades of trade policy with continental Europe.
Isolation, you mean. A return to the glorious days of nineteen-never. A step backwards. An act of tribalist, chauvinist pride.
Tell me, when has that ever worked out well for any nation?
Where are the great promotors of Brexit now? Why did they flee before the real negotiations had to begin? Was it their way of saying, "oops"?
Sovereignty from the doctrine of the supremacy of EU law against that of the individual member state, of course. Immigration from the EU to the UK was not an issue for me, personally. Immigration from various locations will always go on in the global economy the UK is part of. Of course, improvements can be made to ensure we get immigrants who are badly needed in the economy, but that is a side issue. I cannot speak for others of course, but to me that has always seemed like a red herring in this debate. On the sovereignty issue, why not read the Factortame series of cases to see why I (and many others) really voted to Leave the EU:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Factortame_Ltd)_v_Secretary_of_State_for_Transport
Sovereignty made financial sense for hundreds of years before we joined the EEC in 1973, as it then was. There was a time when the sun never set on the British Empire. Are we supposed to believe that the deal we have now with the EU is better than what we managed as a proud island nation all on our own? Don't make me laugh!
Isolationism was a wise move to avoid the interminable wars on the Continent over hundreds of years that Britain reluctantly had to get involved in sorting out from time to time. Britain is on the periphery of Europe, and much more than just geographically.
I'll refer you to my answer directly above. It worked out just fine for hundreds of years when the British Empire was at its zenith. The problem with young people today is that they can never recall (or are historically ignorant) all the things the UK was able to do when standing firm on its own two feet.
Perhaps the tendency to the Nanny State is to blame for this or the ingrained sense of entitlement of the so-called "snowflake" generation.
https://newrepublic.com/article/134507/brexit-vote-really-just-one-thing
Did you actually read what I wrote above? Posting a link to an article from a very liberal publication suggests not. You don't seem to want to engage on the issue of legal and political sovereignty from the supremacy doctrine at the very heart of EU law. It's also at the very heart of Brexit, but so many want to brush it under the carpet as it doesn't tally with their utterly nonsensical "racism" reasoning about why a majority of people voted Leave.
I'm not talking about Trump either. That's not what this thread is about. There are and were plenty of other Trump bashing threads, many now thankfully closed. I don't need to waste my time with that debate which is totally separate to the subject at hand.
I would say that immigration is a issue, but not the issue. It certainly wasn't my reason for voting Leave.
It's the issue. Fear of the other. Fear of society changing. It happens time and time again in history.
There is a worldwide wave of isolationism and fear at this point in time. Eventually the pendulum will swing the other way again.
No, it's impossible to speak of Trump's policies without discussing the degree to which he is ECONOMICALLY INDEBTED to Russia... and any discussion of Trump's electoral victory, or for that matter the Brexit vote, without acknowledging the impact of Russian meddling in the issue, is doomed to be incomplete. Russian meddling is THE core issue for much of the difficulties facing the Western democracies today.
Heaven forbid that he'd actually have won it on his own merits compared to the demerits of his opponents. I suppose the reason is that it's very hard to give credit where it is due to those whom many despise. It must just be human nature.
Some are so wrapped up with leaving because they voted for it, that they don't care the consequences.
I've actually heard some say, it will take a good decade to come good but after that we'll be in a great,
The British Empire?
You think we are going back to that kind of influence and power on the back of Brexit?
Dragonpol you aren't that deluded to think this country is going to rise from the ashes like that, are you?
Standing on its own two feet? Don't you mean standing on the backs of other nations, never mind the bloodshed and oppression that was exacted on others to achieve it.
This exactly the kind of thing the far right would come out with.
No, quite true, the British Empire is past, over, finished. I've no desire to see it replicated in this postcolonial world.
No, I was merely using the past as an example of how going it alone worked in the past and of how it can work again in the future outside of the auspices of the EU.
And I'm not part of the Far Right either. That's just yet more hyperbole from the Remainer side of the debate. Sadly name-calling is now what passes for debate from that camp.
That's not what I said. If he won on his own, then it was because the voters liked his immigration policy. If it was the Russians, it was the Russians.
Those are the two options, yes. The jury's out on that one currently.