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Spoken like a true Brexiteer.
The real issue is that we shouldn't have joined in the first place.
Unfortunately, in an ever-changing world like ours, new variables are introduced on a daily basis. Brexit, like almost every other decision made, can have pretty much any outcome, depending on what happens tomorrow, and next year, and a decade from now, ... A short-term outlook is the only thing you've got.
But one thing that is almost guaranteed, is that a splintered Europe will be eaten alive by the giants. Those coming generations may not end up appreciating what you've done "for them" when the geopolitical landscape shows that small, independent countries are left to wither.
And while I admire your selfless motivation, Brexit wasn't about looking ahead, but about looking backwards. Brexiters long for the glorious days of old and many just cannot accept that those old days are gone. By pulling the country out of the European Union, they hope to put a stop to migration and pay less tax money. Well, I just don't think it works that way.
But let's say you did it for the next couple of generations. If you cared less about yourself than about your (grand)children, surely common sense would dictate that you remain in the EU, help to make it stronger and better, rather than overnight destroy the very thing many of your parents and grandparents worked hard to achieve. Surely we can all agree that when countries team up, partner up, unite, things are better. The allied forces defeated the greatest evil of the 20th Century, the EU helped to drag Ireland out of poverty, ... What is the "U"K going to do as an island on its own, with potentially even more fractures in the future?
Lastly, how short-term is that pound sinking thing? Since the referendum, more than three years ago, the pound has sunken, then climbed up a little, then sunken further. Three years... that's starting to be felt, right?
Just so we are clear, I'm not angry because I'm Belgian; I'm angry because I'm an Anglophile. I'm angry because I wish the best for the country, but I'm seeing it make some very poor decisions.
There might actually be a lot of truth in what @Gerard wrote here.
I think both sides have to bite the bullet and accept neither side it seems is going to back down? So start planning for what's to come on November 1st. Then new trade talks from their as what is happening now is clearly a waste of time all round.
At least the decision of the question asked to the 4 countries of the UK back in 2016 will have been carried out. If the UK breaks up as a consequence then that is what happens? But lets face it, the strings of the EU are firmly in the hands of the Economic powerhouse that is Germany and France to a degree.
Surely this applies to all elections and referendums, and not just this one?
Being out of the EU doesn't mean that you don't work with other countries.
You could say the same about the Remain movement.
Well, yes, that's the problem. In the end, even I, a staunch anti-Brexiter, must admit that it was a duel between the pot and the kettle, that both had solid arguments and that both excelled at selling them in the weakest way imaginable. Fear was the instrument of choice for both, as was pride. I can, at the very least, concede that the situation isn't black-and-white, whereby one side made a "perfect" choice and the other side did not.
In the end, I respect people's votes. Some Brexiters here are good friends of mine and I'll be damned if politics get in the way of that. ;-)
I take no pride in a flag or an anthem. I'm not going to cry over a lost soccer game or if Belgium doesn't win that boring-as-hell Eurosong contest. The only time I've ever felt like defending my country was when a certain president called it a "failed state" while I sincerely doubt he even knows that Brussels is the capital of Belgium and not the other way around. In any case, I still wouldn't want to see Belgium split apart. The French-speaking part of our country, which isn't where I live, would struggle tremendously when completely independent. Despite our difficult past and the insults we, the Flemish, had to endure from that French-speaking part, which actually drove some of my fellow Flemish in the arms of the Nazis (the enemy of my enemy and all that), a strong sense of solidarity is what motivates me to nurture neither grudge nor hatred.
In fact, I'd rather Belgium would cease to exist in a different sense, namely that we all became mere regions of the United States Of Europe. Of course, as long as people keep caring about ridiculous things like cultural pride, native language and religion, none of this is going to happen. But I can dream. ;-) Either way, when foreigners ask me where I'm from, I say "Europe", and in my mind, that used to include the UK as well. But when Brexit became a theoretical fact, it felt for a moment like my fellow Europeans, the Brits, basically told me to go ef myself. I know that's not true. I know that Brexit wasn't a declaration of war or the outcome of a superiority complex. But we're going to need each other badly in the next couple of decades, I think, and as a unified Europe we may stand a better chance.
I believe I'm inclined to agree with you. Thanks, man. ;)
Why hasn't anyone mentioned this? Nigel Farage has never mentioned this. Why? I don't get it. This is astonishing lack of vision by the leave campaign. If I were Johnson I would say "if Parliament prevents our leaving on October 31st, my government will instigate legal proceedings against Parliament on November 1st. We will let the Supreme Court - the highest court in the UK - decide who is right: Parliament or the people."
This is the whole point of the judiciary - to settle legal disputes!
It is sad, and horrific that Boris is in charge, and that this is proceeding.
The sad honest truth of the whole thing is they never should have let us the public be given the decision on this full stop.
It was too much of a complex issue to be resolved in a yes/no vote.
I mean, that defeats truth and clarity and what is best for a country.
I wholeheartedly disagree. The only real functioning democracy is Switserland, and over there they vote on everything. It's not the choice that's the basis of this mess, it's the execution. Don't forget: it was the conservative politicians that gave Hitler his power, not an overwealming majority (he never had one) of the Germans. No dictator ever one a majority vote without cheating.
And the EU had it coming. It is an as undemocratic structure as can be. The parliament, the onlt directly chosen body, can't even initiate or propose changes. Hence the power lies in the hands of bureaucrats influenced by lobby groups, and career politicians who're not judged by what they do in the EU, but by what they do at home. And whatever they do, it's always behind closed doors.
I can't blame the British public to be fed up with such an organisation, allthough I'd preferred it if they'd help work to change all that instead of to get out, but it's a fair choice.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632
A no-deal Brexit is now becoming the only possible outcome.
https://www.snopes.com/ap/2019/08/27/traveling-with-pets-no-deal-brexit-would-make-it-far-harder/
Indeed, it's not like one can rent a guide dog.
Well, nobody voted for anyone working in the WTO. And they're even more secretive.
And as Trump only tells the media he's spoken to the Chinese to stop the markets from crashing, lying through his teeth, this whole sharade will come down between now and half way next year.
I am clearing all unnecessary debt to offset any interest rate hikes.
I'll take the EU over a Bojo the clown led even swinging further to the right Conservative government but then you've probably not had to live under the most unfair political party this country has ever known.
Well I have for a good majority of my 47 years and the idea of Johnson at the helm in his big red bus veering us off the cliff terrifies me but you think the EU is more a danger if it comforts you.
The referendum should have been advisory anyway, that cowardly Etonian Cameron has a lot to answer for.
That's right blame the EU for your (Tories and other previous governments) inadequacies and unfairness, the British public have been played for chumps and now we are going to reap the whirl wind.
Died by psychosis-induced suicide.
Rest in Peace.