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But I think I didn't say that really. If you read carefully you more or less could discover this mottot really: Both the EU and sovereign nations have its distinct flaws. I said that if you had to choose the best of two bad options, then by all means, the EU is currently a better option for the UK than no EU. In that sense the European Union, with all its flaws and perhaps even lots of corruption the more East you go, it still is the best solution of a handful of flawed options, including Brexit.
Perhaps to you I sound a bit 'superior' or 'elitist' when it comes to my view on the European Union. But all I do is trying to present you certain facts.
Don't get my wrong, I do not wish the UK to be destroyed. But what's currently unfolding in the UK is bordering chaos and tragedy. And if you are sensible and pragmatic, even you would say "let's stay in the EU". Sadly, in the age of Brexit and Trump things go awry. Especially in the UK.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49894100
Unless the EU don't allow for an extension, which could well happen. Then they'll play the blame game.
The guy really thinks the EU cares.. amazing, those parrallel universes. He's off his rocker. The EU has no incentive whatsoever to say yes. He's got Trump's 'The Art Of No Deal' under his pillow probably.
Well I guess almost everyone will agree that staying in the EU is better than a no-deal Brexit, but I guess politicians find it more important to keep their word when it hurts everybody, than doing the sensible thing. It balances nicely with not keeping their word when it would really help everybody if they did. ;-)
The worst thing of it all is that Boris Johnson flatly lies during his speech at the Tories Convention. He literally said that "we reached a compromise and now the ball is with the EU". You didn't reach a compromise deceitful windbag. Johnson basically said: "Northern-Ireland will stay in the 'European Single Market' (the free movement of goods, capital, services, and labour), and at the same time Northern-Ireland will leave the EU Customs Union" That's exactly what the EU doesn't want, what the EU fears. He corners the EU and wants them to both initiate stricter border controls and at the same time loosen up border controls. He literally says he wants a border and he doesn't want a border. Un-be-lie-va-ble.
Cornering the EU this way, and not even mentioning that, apart from this 'new' border solution with Northern-Ireland, Johnson's plan is basically a facsimile of May's original deal, without the Customs Union extension included that the EU provided, makes it all so clear. He still doesn't want a deal. He wants Brexit without a deal. And he wants power. And in the process he also wants the EU to become a lapdog for this 'new' Johnson-deal.
I say: Brexit on October 31st, without a deal. Because Johnson doesn't want a deal.
I say don't give your enemy what he wants. I'm just simplistic that way.
I think we have arrived at a stage were both the EU and the UK want a no-deal.
If I can give the EU, with prime negotiator Michel Barnier in front, an advice: Don't give them. Don't give them an extension. Let's help Boris Johnson's firm statement "31st of October it's over!".
I'm sick of it all. Fed up with the UK. The European Union needs to move forward. This 'trojan horse', like the late French president of France Charles de Gaulle called the UK upon its first wish to enter the EU (EC back then) in 1963, needs to get out. October 31st!
With a hard brexit the negotiations with the UK after such a event will take up to ten years is the careful calculation I have read. So even with a 31st October exit we will be annoyed by the upcoming negotiations nonetheless and since NO UK politician has said anything truthfull about the UK after brexit be prepared to hear a lot of more lies for years to come.
And I do not expect the political mess the UK is currently in to be cleared anytime soon, it is clear that power is what these clowns are craving, they have at no time really aimed at what is best for the UK. And that is the saddest part of UK politics. But at least now the general audiences know or should know. Regardless of their vote in the referendum.
Brexit was the most idiotic idea in the history of this country and handing the decision over to the British people was the biggest cluster idea that anyone thought of.
David Cameron wants put in the stocks.
I can't disagree. Some things are better not left to popular vote, especially when politicians have barely figured out the nature of the beast themselves and voters on both sides are mislead by fear tactics. This is a major downside of democracy if you ask me. It's one thing to give people indirect power, it's another thing entirely to let them decide. Furthermore, it's one thing to hold a referendum on abortion or euthanasia, when no answer will ever be the correct answer and so the majority vote will help to untie the ethical knot; it's a whole other thing to let the people decide on something of geopolitical magnitude when not even the experts can predict what the direct consequences will be.
A company CEO may ask his workers to vote for the menu on Healthy Mondays or the workshops during teambuilding activities, but rarely will one consult all his workers on investments, fusions or takeovers that may impact the company for many years. He can ask for their advice, but it's doubtful that he will consider the majority vote binding and absolute.
Exactly. There's no such thing as a "no deal" Brexit really. We'd have to make the same negotiations but from a much weaker position. It wouldn't be the case of being able to just move on that you were pining for a few pages back @GertGettler, and I'm sorry that you're so sick of hearing about it, but some of us over here didn't actually want to leave and everyone in Britain has a terrifyingly real stake in this. So yeah, I am going to keep banging on about it.
I totally agree, but letting people who came to power through democratic elections decide is just as bad.
I'll once again point to Switserland as the beacon of true democracy, and the most stable and peaceful country in Europe for by now hundreds of years.
The choice for Brexit wasn't the cluster ....., the execution by power hungry politicians who didn't understand they still needed to work together is what made the last three years better comedy than any TV series.
What is the solution then?
+1. Thanks mate. Great comment.
https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/Accidental-Agent/Alan-Judd/9781471150678
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50039587
https://theguardian.com/books/2019/oct/11/john-le-carre-truth-was-what-you-got-away-with
We are now in the age (appropriately enough!) of the Brexit spy novel.
Indeed! Will have to read Agent Running in the Field eventually. I do like that title.
After Joseph Wiseman as Doctor No... Angela Merkel as Madame Non? ;)
Freulein Nein actually works.....
The title of Bond 26 revealed here first! I recall a fellow pupil at secondary school coming up with 'Nurse Yes' as a Bond title. :D
If anything, it should be Frau Nein. She's married. And, oh yes, Frau Dr. Nein in fact. But I suppose le docteur Macron is a more likely candidate, really.