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It's always been a matter of time. It would have happened with, or without, Brexit. So whatever other things people want to blame Brexit for, the Scots wanting independance isn't one of them.
As for the special relationship, it has never existed. Churchil was naive, or just hopeful, to coin the phrase. Obama's aide, summed up what I have always felt.
I think the "great like it used to be" "sovereignty" and "back where it belongs" kind of Britain is only in people's imagination. To quote someone on twitter whom I follow: nostalgia is a seductive liar. Also, people have short memories. I am glad the stats showed the youngest voters being predominantly pro Labour. They will need to reshape that party and move the country forward in healthy ways in spite of the current situation ballooning as it is. A lot of work ahead.
I get that the EU needs to be refreshed, modified, strengthened. But Britain going it alone is a very tough road, and that is an unknown future that does not bode well for all U.K. citizens; I mean in every aspect that would touch lives.
Definitely the U.S., in this current administration, is no special or great friend to the U.K. Trump and Miller and Bannon (who stoke the fascism behind policies) will eke every bit, squeeze everything they can for their own greed; never mind how it affects British or American citizens. That is one thing they have proven.
I am seriously concerned about the NHS, and also anything else Trump would love to get control over in any way. Trade deals? Trump is far from a competent deal maker despite his own opinion of himself, and the U.K. would need to really stand up firm, not take just anything offered; see past the bluster. Whatever he offers will be hugely in his favor, not the U.K. That is how he operates. And now the U.K. is stuck with Boris to help them? He also looks out for himself first. So if the British believe that this U.S. administration will look out for U.K. citizens' interests with genuine sincerity and help, they will be sorely let down.
The special relationship is a complete fallacy and always has been.
Trump only wants to split up the EU because he sees it as a threat, he obsessed with the U.S being the best, he'll take what he thinks will strengthen him and then leave us by the way side, are you really that naive to think he's going to be there for us?
Ah, well. Get it right up the lot of them! Nothing but champagne socialists.
I don't subscribe to racism myself, and I don't believe the Conservatives do either. In any event, I don't vote for them here in NI. I voted for the UUP, as I always do. They didn't get any seats, though they came very close in Fermanagh and South Tyrone where they lost by just 57 votes. It's actually a wasted vote to vote for the Conservatives here as they would never win over the existing unionist parties and they don't stand in every seat.
However, you must be blind not to see that the Labour Party does have major problems with antisemitism which continue to go unaddressed by the failing Corbyn leadership. It's a throwing stones in glass houses thing yet again. Don't make such accusations and assumptions when they can be thrown back from whence they came. Of course it's always easier to point out the speck in someone else's eye than deal with the beam in your own eye. It's totally hypocritical of you to raise that here when your own party has so many problems with racism. Just go and ask the UK Jewish community if you're still not convinced.
It's nothing more than Labour black propaganda, just like the lies about Johnson selling off the NHS to Trump was and is. In reality, Johnson has pledged to pass an NHS Protection Act. The reality and the propaganda never align. However, that doesn't stop voters like yourself being seduced by it, most likely as it's what you want to hear anyway and it fits with your rather blinkered internal political narrative.
Corbyn is not anti-Semite if you believe that you bought into the right wing nonsense.
The lies about the Tories are nothing compared to the ones perpetrated about Corbyn and Labour.
Though Labour didn't have all the billionaire press barons in their back pocket or BBC's Laura Kussenberg as their personal press agent.
I think you are blinkered to believe the Tories, I'm afraid I've been around since the beginning of Thatchers reign and I know how much they deliver on their promises.
Johnson was happy not unlike Trump to use the far right and stir up hatred. The Tories have a problem with antisemitism and Islamophobia, although that never got mentioned by the press.
All focus on Corbyn being the evil one and Johnson being the lovable buffoon who could pretty much say what he liked and not get called on it.
If you believe everything a pathological liar like Johnson say that is most certainly naive.
I'm not saying all the people that voted for the Tories are racist,s bigots and xenophobes but the party and Johnson had no problem stirring them up to help their campaign.
A number of Jewish people have said that they don't share the views of Israel and it is more Zionists that have the issue, as someone said when someone was accused of being antisemitic it used to be because they hated Jews and their ideology, now it is a label given to anyone who criticise Israel and their bombing of Palestine.
Anyway look at the below and feel free to look it up, this is the so call antisemitic Jeremy Corbyn, the man has done more for Jewish rights than the Tory party have ever done.
Also aligning themselves with Daily Mail who's history of antisemitism is well known due to their endorsing of Hitler and the Nazi party, I'm afraid the right are far more instrumental in this and as the below tells you Corbyn is most certainly not a Jew hater.
Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemitism
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20
new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party.
has no Antisemitic Problem, Infact they have no problem with Antisemitism.
You can say the Labour leadership was a problem in the sense that they clearly weren't going to win. Murdoch's hatchet job had had the desire effect a long time ago. But you can't compare the actual rampant bigotry of the current Tory party (they're backed by Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins now ffs) to the anti-semetism smears against Labour. Corbyn has apologised for not doing more to sort out anti-semetism within the party but he is not prejudiced in any way, shape or form. @Shardlake summed it up nicely.
Come on mate. Johnson has time and time again advocated privatisation. Trump said full market access to the NHS would be the baseline of any talks. Raab has been forced to admit that the US could raise our drug prices. Dominic Cummings, the man behind the propaganda machine (want to talk about propaganda? 88% of Tory ads found by an independant fact checking agency to be based on lies compared to 0% of Labour's) has said that the Tories hate the NHS. Former Tory PM John Major has said it's as safe with Johnson as a hamster with a pet python. And Farage, who isn't a Tory but is on the right and who after helping Johnson win his majority may as well be, has said we should shift to an insurance based healthcare system. The NHS is a socialist concept. The right will never treat it with respect. It's absoloutely in danger.
People did a ctrl + f on the leaked documents, found nothing that said "we want to buy the NHS", and then said see, that proves it. It doesn't. That's not how it works. They'll sell it off bit by bit. It already started with under Blair with PFI (and no, that isn't an argument against Labour as many Tory voters tried to point out, there's a clear distinction between New Labour and Corbyn's Labour, Blair hates Corbyn and Corbyn has famously opposed a lot of what he did, while the Tories are the same party they've always been, apart from how they've got more right wing and nationalist recently). Corbyn wanted to reverse that. And now we're really going to trust Boris "50,000 new nurses and 40 new hospitals" Johnson with it? Just look at the video I posted on the last page. The "NHS is a religion" that's been letting down its "adherants", privatisation is the way forward. He clearly has nothing but contempt for the way people want to protect it.
Austerity has been terrible for the NHS too. It's at breaking point thanks to the lack of investment (and no, I don't believe their convinently timed election pledge to end austerity and invest, they've said it all before, May was the most recent). Compare the spending increase under the Tories to under Labour. They said the NHS would be safe from cuts but it's still been decimated by the lack of money put into it. And you can blame "health tourism", but immigrants form the backbone of the NHS (anecdotal but my GP is an immigrant and last time I was in hospital most of the nurses were foreign, I bet it's the same for most). Maybe make sure it's properly funded and then we can wonder if immigration is an issue. But for now, it isn't, and they're stripping it for parts.
Vote for who you like. But when NHS staff are begging people not to vote Tory because of the pressure they're under, it's pretty clear that a vote for the Tories is categorically not a vote for the NHS. And nothing Johnson pledges to do means anything. He's a famous liar. All he does is lie. Hence why he ran and hid for his whole election campaign. Nothing he says and does holds up to any sort of scrutiny.
If you have nothing and want a fairer society, politics of envy. If you're rich and want a fairer society, champagne socialism. It's ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with the rich and priviliged trying to use their wealth and fame as a platform to help others.
We have more billionaires than ever. We also have more children in poverty than ever. Trickle down economics is a myth. Labour might have been too radical in how they wanted to nationalise so much, but the idea of the rich paying more taxes isn't a bad one. It's the only real way forward. We tried austerity while giving tax breaks to the rich. It hasn't bloody worked. People are dying while the rich still get richer. I hope whoever the next Labour leader is, they're at least more socialist leaning. Because we need that change. There's a middle ground between Corbyn and centrism.
Having said that, I think the celebrity endorsements probably did more harm than good. Labour need to focus on being relatable to the working class voters of the seats they've lost now. Shouldn't be too hard. They're up against Boris "the working class are all drunk criminal feckless hopeless etc etc etc" Johnson after all. The mask will slip again. Problem is the media won't report it (did that Mirror front page make the BBC's newspaper review? Nah, but the Jewish chronicle, a paper that they never usually pay any attention to, managed to a few weeks before. Disgraceful bias).
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-threatens-bbc-with-two-pronged-attack/ar-AAK95HO?li=BBoPRmx&ocid=mailsignout
If only dear Auntie was as dilligent at routing out the peados it employed, at it is about enforcing it's swindle licence fee. I barely watch the BBC as it is, now that Doctor Who has flushed itself down the toilet. Just scrap it, and make it a subscription for those that actually watch it.
Saw that, but his accusations of bias seem to center solely around the Andrew Neil monlogue. Which was the right thing to do, and they only did that after immense public pressure after people realised Johnson was going to weasel out of that interview (all the other leaders did it thinking they all would) and the BBC would let him. Meanwhile for bias on the other side you've got the BBC editing footage of Boris being laughed at so it looks like he's being applauded. The BBC running an article with a headline about all election ads being misleading, when inside the article they reluctantly admit that 0% of Labour's ads were compared to 88% of the Tories. The BBC "accidentally" using footage from three years before, which former employees online said was an impossible mistake to make because of where archived footage is kept, rather than the footage of Johnson turning up to the remembrance service looking like crap and laying a wreath the wrong way round (remember the stick Corbyn got a few years ago for turning up looking "scruffy"? Even though he was the only one to stay and talk to the veterans while the rest shot off to an all expenses paid dinner). Laura Kuenssberg went on and on about the Labour anti-semetism smears while tweeting a grand total of once about the Tory MPs suspended for actual anti-semetism. Also jumped at the chance to report a "grim encounter" from a "senior Tory source" of hundreds of Labour activists being ferried in taxis to a hospital followed by one of them punching a Tory aid. A video came out. There were about three people shouting and the aid bumped into one of them. Deleted it but did she name and shame the source? No. And why not check this sort of stuff before reporting it? The BBC ignored the Mirror front page with Johnson's disgusting comments about the working class. Seriously, he outright insults the people of the seats he's now won, an article is unearthed where he calls them all sorts, as well as saying all sorts of horrible comments about single mums etc. And the media barely touch it. The BBC did find space on their newspaper review to include the Jewish Chronicle though when the Labour anti-semetism accusations (supporting Palestinian rights is not anti-semetism) were in full force. But did they report Teresa May unveiling a statue of an actual Nazi anti-semite a few weeks later or Johnson's "comic novel" being unearthed that contained anti-semetism as well was nearly every other form of racism? Nah. Oh, and then a BBC reporter had a Freudian slip and mentioned Johnson getting "the majority he so deserves". And then Kuenssberg breached electoral law by saying the postal votes (which her "sources" shouldn't have been able to look at anyway) indicated the Tories were winning. Publicising that before polling day could influence how people vote.
I think it'd be a great shame to lose the BBC. They're still, generally, a cut above our other channels when it comes to drama (having said that they are slipping, the best thing I've seen recently was Save Me on Sky) and they've got the David Attenborough documentaries and shows like Doctor Who, which might be terrible at the moment but still has a rich legacy and the potential to be good again in the right hands. Scrapping the licence fee would be a shame imo. There really is a place for an impartial, publically funded broadcaster with no ads, no blatant bias, etc. But the problem is they're very establishment now. There's a clear overlap between the BBC and some senior Tory figures and the bias has gotten blatant. It's stupid of them to dismiss it as conspiracy theories when all these "mistakes" happen to favour the Tories. There needs to be an independant enquiry into this imo.
And yeah, the Saville thing was disgusting, and the Tories are probably just as culpable, he was good pals with Thatcher. But the establishment will always protect their own. Look at Prince Andrew.
This is why the media went harder for Jeremy Corbyn than any other leader. He was a threat to that kind of old boy network. They'll always be biased against Labour, it's no coincidence that the only Labour leader to win an election was Blair, a red Tory and the godfather to Murdoch's daughter, but they went for Corbyn even harder than most. Because he was a real, genuine threat to the old boy all went to Eton together establishment in the government, media, BBC, etc that control this country. We lost a chance at real change last week.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51214761
And don't forget the millions of Irish in the US. Loathing Britain and especially the English is pretty much built into their DNA. Far more Americans identify as having Irish ancestry than British.
Our real friends are actually much closer to home. The Dutch, the Scandinavians, the Portuguese (literally our oldest allies), much of eastern Europe. And Germany. There is a very strong Anglophile tendency in Germany. And let's not forget France - we've fought wars together and for more than a century British and French interests have been largely aligned.
The US couldn't care less about the UK.
Don't forget us, Flemish folks, @Getafix. ;)
And just to say, as an American, all my life I - and my friends - have been very positive about Britain. Very much so. So if you are thinking the majority of Americans couldn't care less, I strongly believe you are not correct.
A sad, pathetic and pointless day in British history. Every nation has its low points. I am confident we will move on and rise above it.
Although not one person who voted for it as been able to explain to me how this is going to be better for the UK.
Stupidity on an enormous scale.