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The Bond Firearms and Weapons Discussion Thread (and your own experiences as well)
This thread is all about the weapons in the Bond novels and films,and any stories you may have yourselves.
The weapons you like and dislike etc,and maybe the firearm you would like Bond or the villain to be armed with in BOND25.
So discuss away and post any photos you may have as well .
The weapons you like and dislike etc,and maybe the firearm you would like Bond or the villain to be armed with in BOND25.
So discuss away and post any photos you may have as well .
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It would have looked cool as anything in the duel with Scaramanga.
He has a revolver in this publicity shot for MR but it was not used in the film,shame :
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/0/0f/Moonraker_revolver1.jpg/601px-Moonraker_revolver1.jpg
It should remain a staple well into the 21st Century, there's no end in sight.
As far as revolvers are concerned, I don't like when Bond uses them. They are archaic gun technology, holding few rounds and being miserably slow to reload. For me, it makes me think of an old western, which is far from the slick, modern style of Bond. Mainly, I just don't like the way they look.
If Bond was to use a revolver again, I wouldn't mind a Mateba Autorevolver. They look incredible, and the functioning of its firing mechanism is very unique. I also like that the barrel is located at the bottom of the revolver.
I did like Hinx's use of the double-barrel Arsenal Firearms AF2011 Dueller Prismatic in SPECTRE.
Nasty weapon, just matter-of-fact engaged. All business.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Spectre#Arsenal_Firearms_2011_Dueller_Prismatic
I also see your point about the Autorevolver being a villain's gun.
Or OO7 could even pick it up on the fly and use it against the owner.
Have to lose the "READ THE MANUAL BEFORE USE" engraving, though.
They could actually play it up for laughs;
Q; "I had it specially engraved for you, 007."
Haha yes....it would say : PLEASE BRING BACK IN ONE PIECE...
I didn't realize just how big it was until I saw this;
M's bodyguard uses a SIG P226, which he then kills two of M's men with and attempts to kill her.
Later Bond steals a SIG and places it behind his back. He uses it during the firefight at Greene Hotel and with it kills many of General Medrano's and Greene's men, including Carlos and Greene's Driver. When he gets attacked with the axe by Greene, he loses the gun.
Type: Pistol Weight: 964 g (34 oz) (with magazine)
Length: 196 mm (7.7 inch)
Barrel Length: 112 mm (4.4 inch)
Capacity: 10, 15, 17, 18, or 20
Fire Modes: Semi-Auto
It is not the exact same model I use, I got various SIG guns.
My favourite though is the one that accompanies me since many years and is one of the most reliable assault rifles ever created. Swiss manufacturer SIG is equipping the army with its guns.
I can take the SIG550 home with me as the Swiss Army is a milita.
The SIG 550.
Nothing feels safer than sleeping with one under the pillow :P or two....or three....
Shooting range is one of my favourite places in the world
Generally I find the use of assault rifles and handguns in Quantum Of Solace to be the best gun action in all of the Bond films.
Tomorrow Never Dies comes a close second.
I'm referring to the transition he shows across targets from close to very far distance.
While I like handguns I have always preferred assault rifles.
The assault rifle he uses in SPECTRE is this one:
Bond takes a CSA Sa vz. 58 Compact off a guard at the secret SPECTRE desert base. One is also seen at the safehouse in Tangiers.
As for reality of shoot outs in films, it can be debated what „looks real“ and what not.
Shooting at moving targets is definitely much more difficult than it is often depicted in films.
And obviously the main protagonist in a shoot out will not get killed or badly injured. Shot in the arm, leg or shoulder at most. Because it’s a film. Self-explanatory really.
The SPECTRE escape scene from Oberhauser’s desert lair:
Summary:
The whole shoot out happens within 40 seconds. It's 14 guards of which the first is knocked unconscious by the opening door. Two of the five guards on the side of the building are shot by Bond. Three seem to remain but they are obviously at least rendered unconscious by the explosion that follows.
There are at first two guards and then another three guards on the other side in front of the stairs, all five get shot by Bond.
The two on the stairs get shot and the one on top on the platform gets shot as well.
Bond escapes the torture room. After he opens the door in the hallway to flee outside he bumps the door into a guard that loses the rifle. Bond picks it up and immediately shoots at two guards that are standing nearby close to the gate that leads to the stairs to the helicopter platform. Both can be easily killed by Bond which seems realistic.
Bond takes Swann by her hand and moves away from the building. You can see three guards behind them, on the left side of the building, they are moving towards them, if not fast. They obviously only see Bond and Swann now and begin to react. They are not very close, but not very far too.
Bond looks back, sees them and begins to shoot the rifle, with one hand.
One guard goes down. The other two stand. Seems ok to me.
And now you see two other guards on the right side of the building moving.
Bond tells Swann to hide and moves himself into a save corner at another part of the building construction, where he can hide behind a wall.
That takes him maybe three seconds in all. The remaining guards clearly take shots but the bullets seem to hit the ground behind Bond. Back to the shooting range fellas for some more training I'd say.
The two guards on the right take shots and hit the wall, Bond is then hiding behind. At least those two guards seem to be able to aim properly if a tad late.
The two guards keep shooting (which I would do too). Bond comes out from the hiding takes a clear shot to one of those guards and hits. He fires again, twice, which doesn't seem to hit anyone and goes back into hiding. That takes three seconds tops.
Again you can ask what are the two guards on the left side of the building (hallway) doing? Shoot at clay pigeons?
Bond takes a long look (1 1/2 second) at Swann, eye contact. I like that moment very much, because Bond seems to know it could end badly for them. Bond seems very focussed in all of this by the way. Bravo, especially after being drilled into the head ;)
Comes out from hiding, aims and shoots at the pressure pump (or whatever it is) which then explodes (huge fireball). You can see the remaining two guards on the left side of the building again and they still seem to stand at the approximately same spot as they did at the beginning. Not only bad shots, but lazy too, sheesh.
After the big explosion another guard appears, this time from the opposite side of the building (stairs to the helicopter platform). He is quite close.
He starts to shoot at Bond and Swann but hits the wall above their heads. As he is running and probably still shocked by the explosion it's ok-ish.
It takes Bond a split second to hit him, one handed as he holds Swann with his other hand. Ok, that guard really presents himself to be shot at.
At the same time another two appear on a three wheeler and another appears on the stairs coming down. Bond immediately starts shooting. Both on the vehicle go down.
Now you see it's two other guards coming down the stairs. They are not very close, so rather difficult to shoot.
Climbing down stairs and shooting at moving targets is certainly a challenge for those two guards.
Bond is moving, reloading and shooting again. Another guard can be seen at the top on the helicopter platform. Very far away.
Bond takes one shot, then another. Both are hits, and the guards on the stairs are down, only after they themselves have at least taken one shot each at Bond but missed, obviously.
The guard on top, on the platform seems to aim, takes his time (which is needed at that distance) and I think he shoots once, but Bond is a truly gifted sharpshooter. One shot, in the head and that guard waves goodbye.
@RichardTheBruce thanks, I'd never thought of analysing this and it was fun.
As I have never been tortured like Bond and then had to flee from 13 moving guards that take shots at me from behind and from the front, with a hot babe at my side, I wouldn't dare judging Bond for his performance.
But even so, he is doing great here and it's expected, he is a 00 agent after all ;)
As for Oberhauser's guards...dear Franz, after you have escaped from prison, please hire some decent staff, that are a bit better trained at the shooting range. But at least your taste in clothing them is impeccable.
Personally I find this one minute sequence very well done. Splendid sound effects. The editing is flawless. Craig's and Swann's acting is great.
The cinematography and the sets are fantastic. The overall realism is good as well in my humble opinion. It's not Heat (1995) awesome, but then there is only one Heat anyway.
I had a career as a soldier, Quartermaster, still I spent time on the range with pop-up targets. That's what I got from the scene, all business, automatically professional response to what showed up in his field of fire. And no nonsense yelling or back and forth, just Bond in the zone winning against the bad guys.
Loved it on several levels.
you expressed it well, all business, automatic response, as Bond clearly was trained for this very well.
Bond in the zone. Absolutely!
I love Craig in Spectre, totally. He is just bloody Connery TB level awesome.
In my youth we hunted woodchucks (groundhogs) as pests in farm fields, a very similar experience where a hit on the target at a very long distance gets a reward of the senses, sound and vision and otherwise. [For the comment on one bullet putting down each bad guy, my brother used to say that by using a bullet the size of a .306 round if he hit one in the toe they'd die of shock. He was only half-joking.]
Bond at the indoor range in SKYFALL triggers (if I can use that word) several thoughts for me. First, the hero's journey where hero resists his role and destiny then must prove himself. Next, Mr. Glass in UNBREAKABLE yelling at David Dunn, emphasis his: "MAYBE YOU'RE NOT DOING WHAT IT IS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING." [And from recent discussion on Casino Royale I realize he gives advice similar to what Mathis advised Bond: "Go where people are."]. Lastly, Peter Parker waving off his spider-powers and needing glasses to see clearly--until danger reappears, suddenly the glasses are what blur his vision and he discards them.
Therefore Bond can't hit the target. Then the sacrificial lamb expires and he's 100% again, driven on his version of the hero's journey.
Thanks to @barryt007 for including experience in the subject line here, very good for discussion.
Yes, Bonds catharsis of character is very much a part of SF. I was merely reflecting on a thought when I saw that particular scene. I was a range instructor for a time and have seen many new shooters on a course, I wasn’t referring to Bond the character, ie. 007 returning from the grave.
One of the most interesting things I've read on this forum. I seriously have to open up to Skyfall, the film. I just don't like it for several reasons but I will definitely look closer at Bond's psychological journey next time.
@barryt007 Like Richard said, thank you. As usual your threads prove to bring out the best in people.
Thanks as always my good friend....i thought you might like this thread and cant believe it was never created when members talk about weapons etc all the time on here.
I just thought it was best to keep it one place for comment and reference in future.
See you in September buddy !!
Two of my favourite sequences in the Bond:
THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
Timothy Dalton uses a Walther WA 2000 sniper rifle given to him by Saunders to fire at the KGB sniper that turns out to be cellist Kara.
One of the most beautiful weapons, an absolute favourite of mine.
Type: Sniper Rifle / Caliber: .300 Winchester Magnum, .308 Winchester, 7.5x55mm Swiss
Weight: 6.95 kg, 15.9 lbs / Length: 90,5 cm, 35.62 in / Barrel length: 65 cm, 25.59 in
Capacity: 6-round detachable box / Fire Modes: Semi-Auto
Bond inspects the WA 2000
Bond on his way to the window
Close up, Bond's finger on the trigger
FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
Sean Connery uses an Armalite AR-7 survival rifle with a custom suppressor and infra-red scope, issued to him by Q. Together with Kerim Bey, Bond wants to assassinate Krilencu. Eventually Kerim Bey does the shooting.
Q reports the rifle to be .25 caliber, which is incorrect. It actually fires a .22 Long Rifle cartridge.
The Armalite AR-7 is a semiautomatic .22 LR takedown rifle originally developed from the AR-5 as a lightweight survival rifle.
Bond assembling the rifle
This is my sniper rifle since 2005:
8,6 mm SSGw 04 (TRG 42)