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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Imo Brosnan had chemistry with all the women. It's one of his many natural talents.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Imo Brosnan had chemistry with all the women. It's one of his many natural talents.

    Apart from Hatcher,they didn't like each other and it shows on screen to me.

  • GetafixGetafix
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I dont mind cheesy but that scene is always cringeing to watch. And i dont think Brossa and Natalya had any chemistry. She was far too good for him. Another moment i hate is Brossas double take in the lift when Natalya tells Bond "I am fine, thank you!)

    Let's not start listing the bad bits in GE. We will be here all day!
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Imo Brosnan had chemistry with all the women. It's one of his many natural talents.

    Apart from Hatcher,they didn't like each other and it shows on screen to me.

    They look annoyed with each other. You could argue that fits the scene. But the whole relationship is badly written and acted (particularly by Hatcher).
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Natalya is a great Bond girl and I think Brosnan generally worked better with her than most of his other women.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Imo Brosnan had chemistry with all the women. It's one of his many natural talents.

    Apart from Hatcher,they didn't like each other and it shows on screen to me.

    They look annoyed with each other. You could argue that fits the scene. But the whole relationship is badly written and acted (particularly by Hatcher).

    Hatcher is so bad I try to forget she exists.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Isabella is also a far more better actress than the puppy eyed D'Abo. Don't get me wrong, I like Kara but she largely has the same teary-eyed look to her throughout the film. Definitely a better character than Stacey though.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I dont mind cheesy but that scene is always cringeing to watch. And i dont think Brossa and Natalya had any chemistry. She was far too good for him. Another moment i hate is Brossas double take in the lift when Natalya tells Bond "I am fine, thank you!)
    He pulled the same look during the going down together exchange with Jinx in the copter in DAD. Disappointing in both cases imho.
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Isabella is also a far more better actress than the puppy eyed D'Abo.
    Unquestionably.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Imo Brosnan had chemistry with all the women. It's one of his many natural talents.

    Apart from Hatcher,they didn't like each other and it shows on screen to me.

    They would've made beautiful babies though
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited June 2017 Posts: 19,339
    NicNac wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Imo Brosnan had chemistry with all the women. It's one of his many natural talents.

    Apart from Hatcher,they didn't like each other and it shows on screen to me.

    They would've made beautiful babies though

    But she couldn't get 'too...too close fer comferrrrrt' ..(I hate that bloody line).

  • BT3366BT3366
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I dont mind cheesy but that scene is always cringeing to watch. And i dont think Brossa and Natalya had any chemistry. She was far too good for him. Another moment i hate is Brossas double take in the lift when Natalya tells Bond "I am fine, thank you!)

    Agreed. I don't get the love that character gets from many fans. She's either nagging or lecturing Bond most of the film. At least Xenia is there to spice things up.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    Agreed. I don't get the love that character gets from many fans. She's either nagging or lecturing Bond most of the film.
    I suppose I like a woman who takes charge.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    bondjames wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Agreed. I don't get the love that character gets from many fans. She's either nagging or lecturing Bond most of the film.
    I suppose I like a woman who takes charge.

    Kinky.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I dont mind cheesy but that scene is always cringeing to watch. And i dont think Brossa and Natalya had any chemistry. She was far too good for him. Another moment i hate is Brossas double take in the lift when Natalya tells Bond "I am fine, thank you!)

    Agreed. I don't get the love that character gets from many fans. She's either nagging or lecturing Bond most of the film. At least Xenia is there to spice things up.

    Sounds like Vesper to me.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    But she couldn't get 'too...too close fer comferrrrrt' ..(I hate that bloody line).

    [/quote]

    The one I hate is "when it comes to a choice between you and Elliot I've made my bed, you don't sleep in it anymooorre"
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Honestly, I have TND at No 9.

    But I swear to you, if they had someone else, let's just say, Monica Bellucci, the bloody film would be in my Top 5 behind OHMSS GE TLD TSWLM
  • barryt007barryt007
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    I have it at #14 atm,the lowest it has ever been actually.
  • stun_harvestingstun_harvesting
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    I surprising have TND at #15, but only because it's not as outright bad as some of the others and is at least somewhat entertaining. But it is rather middling and I've always felt the ending was underwhelming for some reason.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    stun_harvesting wrote: »
    I surprising have TND at #15, but only because it's now as outright bad as some of the others and is at least somewhat entertaining. But it is rather middling and I've always felt the ending was underwhelming for some reason.

    The ending is most Bond film's problem if you ask me.

    Notable exceptions: YOLT, OHMSS, TSWLM, AVTAK, TLD, LTK, GE
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    TND falls pretty far down in my ranking, unfortunately. It's a fun romp, but it's my least favorite of Brosnan's.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    While I find TWINE horrendously boring & badly acted by the lead, I find TND trite & instantly forgettable. I'm not sure which is worse. I actually prefer watching DAD to either.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    DAD is up to #17 in my ratings...just think of it as a MR Brosnan and it works for me,i like it.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    DAD is up to #17 in my ratings...just think of it as a MR Brosnan and it works for me,i like it.

    Ha! It's my No 17 as well :D
  • barryt007barryt007
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    DAD is up to #17 in my ratings...just think of it as a MR Brosnan and it works for me,i like it.

    Ha! It's my No 17 as well :D

    Kudos my man ! ...respect ;)
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I dont mind cheesy but that scene is always cringeing to watch. And i dont think Brossa and Natalya had any chemistry. She was far too good for him. Another moment i hate is Brossas double take in the lift when Natalya tells Bond "I am fine, thank you!)

    Agreed. I don't get the love that character gets from many fans. She's either nagging or lecturing Bond most of the film. At least Xenia is there to spice things up.

    As with the rest of that dire film I don't get it either.

    @bondjames you love GE but consider SP an abomination? Makes no sense to me whatsoever.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Pam tends to nag Bond through much of LTK too but no one complains there.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Pam tends to nag Bond through much of LTK too but no one complains there.

    That's because she has legs you could suck on all night .....grrrrrr....

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Getafix wrote: »
    @bondjames you love GE but consider SP an abomination? Makes no sense to me whatsoever.
    I've been quite clear as to why I dislike SP immensely, and conversely why I think highly of GE.

    The former film is full of life and energy. It sports superb performances by everyone, and a serviceable one by Brosnan. There's a vibrancy and spark to the whole thing. An energy and charming quirkiness that I find refreshing even today.

    After the relative failure at US box office of the Dalton years and the unheard of 6 year gap, it returned James Bond to the spotlight and cultural relevancy. I'd go so far as to call it the most important Bond film since 1977. A statement of intent by EON, which reintroduced the character in a post-cold war era to a whole new generation of fans, gave us a new lasting 'M', and started the trend (now sadly exhausted) of there being some personal connection between Bond and the villain.

    As I've said countless times before, I think it was the last quality 'formula' Bond film delivered by EON, unsurprisingly perhaps since it was also the last one released while Cubby was alive.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Okay, but that doesn't stop GE being really ropey and cheap feeling and generally dreadful, with the worst Bond, appalling 'stunt' work and worst score in the entire series.

    Give me SP, or more pertinently, AVTAK any day!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I'd take the PTS of GE over the entirety of SP. Same goes for the Ferrari/Aston sequence. The film is full of iconic moments. The score is not for everyone, but I am one who likes Serra's originality and creativity very much, and wish he had continued as composer (as long as he didn't sing again). I agree that it's quite dated now in places, but I'd argue that this is part of its charm. It was actually dated (model work wise) in 1995, but that didn't hurt it then because the film has that energy and drive. It's bursting with charisma.

    The same can't be said of the latest effort, at least in my opinion. One of the most dull & forgettable films put out by EON, along with the disgraceful TWINE. I'd go so far as to call it potentially another reboot necessitator.

    I'm neither here nor there on AVTAK. It's my least favourite Rog film, but it has its moments.
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