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After that blunder she simply can't go on. I bet Boris Johnson soon is PM.
That would be a blast for Brussels ha ha...
That's the big problem with Brexit now. Brexit until now has been nothing more than a black-and-white campaign slogan. At the negotiating table it needs a unified firm Conservative Party that represents May's hard Brexit rethoric. Sadly, that's not the case.
At moments like these, I am very happy we have a multi-party democratic system in The Netherlands. It forces people...and parties to negotiate in a much better way. Something that's completely absent in the UK and USA. So Brexit inevitably will create huge rifts in the British Conservative Party. One should be praying to be an opposition party right now in the UK.
But the way it happened, the gamble on her parts, that is just bad.
The hard, soft Brexit rhetoric is nonsense though. The only solution always was that the UK will have similar relations to the EU as Switzerland has for instance (and other non EU members).
There is no one deal. It will be an ongoing process for years and years. There will be day X when the UK officially has left the EU, but the deals will go on and on, bilateral talks, agreements etc.
No I mean "proper" republicanism. I.e. the republic is the best form of government.
The big question now should be on what May has to compromise. Brexit doesn't know compromises.
Liberal Democrats in the UK are very much like D66 in The Netherlands. Nick Clegg (LibDem) and Alexander Pechtold (D66 Leader) are actually quite good friends. Here's the manifesto from D66 which on most issues is exactly the same as the LibDem manifesto:
https://d66.nl/content/uploads/sites/2/2016/11/Engelse-vertaling-programma-2017-1.pdf
Right now, D66 (Social Liberals) is trying to form a coalition government with VVD (Conservative Liberal Party), GroenLinks (Green Party) and CDA (Christian Democrats). One of their goals is trying to form a new kind of 'Green Right Alliance'.
I see you are from Kenya no @JamesBondKenya :-)? You're Always welcome to visit The Netherlands. We could use some motivated people in our workforce.
The Liberal Democrats are difficult to define and perhaps that's why they don't win elections. I don't think people really understand what they stand for. They are a combination of the old Liberal Party and the Social Democrats (a Labour splinter party) and their policies reflect both. They are in favour of lower taxes for the poor and state intervention. A mixed economic model which adopts liberal ideas. I've always felt it was a party of intellectuals.
I also think the two-party district system Always prevented the LibDem's from flourishing, whereas in The Netherlands we now actually have two major liberal parties, that are actually growing in rural constituencies as well: D66 (Progressive Social Liberal Party) and VVD (More Conservative Liberal Party). We have to thank the Multi-party democratic system for that as well.
Netherlands (we have a 150 seat Lower Chamber). Turnout was an incredible 81.9%:
'Green' parties like D66, GroenLinks and PartyforAnimals gained the most seats: 20 seats in total.
United Kingdom (they have a 650 seat Lower Chamber). Turnout was 68.7%:
I have to say......I think democracy is better supported in The Netherlands.
And Boris as PM give me strength
He would be as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.
One wonders how long until Wilders will win. Same for France. Macron got lucky, but he is a blackbox and may turn out to be another Hollande. And then Le Pen has a real chance of becoming Madam President.
In that regard, the UK is the least of Europe's worries. And democracy is served better in a country that doesn't have a ultra right party on second place in elections.
Again, you exaggerate greatly. On the entire Dutch electorate, 13.1% voted for Geert Wilders. You, again, again, again and AGAIN, completely loose perspective on these matters. Netherlands has a multi-party system, like I said before. Ever since 2002 the right-wing populists never escaped that 15%. Not during the 2002 elections, not during the 2010 elections. They never grow bigger. They never win as much as Donald Trump wins. Instead, in The Netherlands parties act on the rise of right-wing populism and openly come with solutions to tackle that. That's democracy too.
The UK, like I said before, has a district system with winner-takes-all parliament seats. That doesn't mean that the UK has less right-wing populist sentiment. On the contrary actually, it's why Brexit happened.
The biggest problem is you though, who only cares for democracy if it serves right-wing populism. But hey, if green and progressive parties in the Netherlands win in total 20 seats (GroenLinks, D66, PvdD), then all hell breaks loose, then democracy in danger. God guy, can you just f**k off and stop lying and refrain yourself from your grotesque nonsense? You know where democracy really is in danger? Venezuela!
Regarding Macron. Just stop lying man! You don't even read what Macron's party is actually doing in France. En Marche is blocking any establishment politician to enter the campaign of the upcoming parilamentary elections. For instance, former PM Valls (Hollande's party) was shown the exit straight away after he wanted to join En Marche. Instead, this is now actually happening, instead of your pityful lies:
https://www.thelocal.fr/20170609/macron-candidates-march-towards-victory
Nah, it's ok @Murdock. But sometimes the record needs to be set straight. I can be quite a verbal person sometimes. But if people start loosing context, loosing perspective and only find news that reflect their emotions and lies, then I am sincerely done with that. And in the case of Jason this is basically bordering lies.
He's making it appear that The Netherlands is more dangerous to democracy in Europe than the UK. I don't even bring up such a discussion! If people stay silent about such blatant lies, then we keep feeding their cynical lies.
Freedom and democracy also means that you make these people feel accountable of such untrue assessments @Murdock. When it comes to hobbies like Bond, Jason is a fine guy. But when he uses such nonsense in here, I think I need to set the record straight.
I think you are actually mentioning a problem of the Conservative Party. It's too big. Theresa May wasn't even a 'true believer' when it comes down to Brexit. Boris Johnson however, basically was campaigning with Nigel Farage. That's the thing, Theresa May wants her party to stay unified, so she tries to act like a right-wing populist hawk. But in essence she really isn't. That's creating havoc upon her.
Will Boris Johnson change that discord? Off course not.
I've heard years ago this one which defines them pretty well: "Lib Dem are whatever's left".
And it's good to see that one is put into the populist right corner if doesn't agree with politically left opinions. For them nothing right of far left exists.
Same in Switzerland really. That's why the middle parties are so important and that's why I'll always vote for them. They are the only ones that can go left or right in their decisions depending on good sense.
It's not unintended, it's intended alright. I read lots of newspapers, from left side in the political spectrum to the right side. It gives good perspective even if sometimes I want to throw up at some that is written in populist right wing articles or populist naiv left wing articles.
Sadly, the two party system that worked for decades no longer works. That applies to all the countries who know that system. The UK, the US and others.
What we see in France is someone, Macron, who got lucky to be in the right place at the right time. But if his "movement" is any different we will see. For now I give him a chance, because he deserves that and the French will, as usual, give the new President full power in parliament. Something I truly admire by the way.
Polarisation is taking place everywhere, even in Switzerland. But still, we have five strong parties and that will never change because enough people have good sense to keep balance. And we don't have a far right party luckily. We have a conservative party that uses populist rhetoric to gain votes but in reality they are very neoliberal. Not that this would be any better imho.
You can be conservative and interventionist, if not statist. Which could be argued was one of May's problems. At least when it comes to the "dementia tax".
The UK is forced to work collaboratively now on Brexit, and in a way that's the best thing that could have happened in order to get a more consensus driven solution (if they can manage it). This is the 2nd time there has been a hung parliament in 7 years, and prior to that it hadn't happened in 36 years.
I read yesterday that it was Jean-Claude Juncker who encouraged May to call the snap election. I'm not sure how true that is. The irony.
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Yes, @Ludovico I agree. One can certainly be conservative and interventionist as well. I was referring more to the way conservatives are generally portrayed as heartless and cold.
Well, Juncker is the greatest idiot ever gracing Brussels, that's for sure. But in a way he is fitting there. He stands exemplary for all that is wrong there.
I am actually glad too, the Tories have lost the majority. To be honest, I always voted Labour in the past.
But May was a Godsend (for me) after Cameron.
It's a shame she gambled so high. She could have been great. But now she has lost that gamble, she lost it all. So she has to go.
I'm a bit fatalistic lately. Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Boris Johnson would be PM soon. I hate that guy but oh it would be such sweet revenge on those imbeciles in Brussels hahaha...
....@GG NOW you can call me a populist LOL
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50174402
What a MESS.