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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,243
    3 years, that's 4 movies in 10 years.
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    3 or 4 Movies in a decade seems fine to me.

  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
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    I'm curious as to why people assume that this is Craig's last film. Did he state that somewhere? Like, it's 100% guaranteed to be his last? He might do six films, he might not but we don't know for certain. So the gap between 25 and 26 could be another 4 years if Babs continues to wait on his decision tp green-light another film. Or 5... or 6....
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,204
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I'm curious as to why people assume that this is Craig's last film. Did he state that somewhere? Like, it's 100% guaranteed to be his last? He might do six films, he might not but we don't know for certain. So the gap between 25 and 26 could be another 4 years if Babs continues to wait on his decision tp green-light another film. Or 5... or 6....

    In his interview where he announced he was coming back he mentioned he thought this film would be it.

    Still you never know................
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I'm curious as to why people assume that this is Craig's last film. Did he state that somewhere? Like, it's 100% guaranteed to be his last? He might do six films, he might not but we don't know for certain. So the gap between 25 and 26 could be another 4 years if Babs continues to wait on his decision tp green-light another film. Or 5... or 6....
    Have you seen him lately? It's his last. I'm willing to bet you on it.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I'm curious as to why people assume that this is Craig's last film. Did he state that somewhere? Like, it's 100% guaranteed to be his last? He might do six films, he might not but we don't know for certain. So the gap between 25 and 26 could be another 4 years if Babs continues to wait on his decision tp green-light another film. Or 5... or 6....

    The man gets older quickly so I do no expect him to do another and I do believe that the franchise is due a younger fella who takes it away from the recent bout of elitism and belly button gazing.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I'm curious as to why people assume that this is Craig's last film. Did he state that somewhere? Like, it's 100% guaranteed to be his last? He might do six films, he might not but we don't know for certain.
    Exactly. I can't assume it will be his last film. It looks like it will, based on his response, but as some wise folk here have said, nothing's written in stone. If he does a sixth film - great. If not, so be it.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    QBranch wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I'm curious as to why people assume that this is Craig's last film. Did he state that somewhere? Like, it's 100% guaranteed to be his last? He might do six films, he might not but we don't know for certain.
    Exactly. I can't assume it will be his last film. It looks like it will, based on his response, but as some wise folk here have said, nothing's written in stone. If he does a sixth film - great. If not, so be it.

    He might do a 6th to equal Connery ;)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    He might do a 6th to equal Connery ;)
    Nothing wrong with NSNA - great Sunday night viewing!
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I now think that we will not get a new Bond film after B25 until 2024 at the earliest.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Maybe they plan a quick follow-up (November) 2021. That's as unexpected as a February 2020 release was.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited December 2018 Posts: 17,814
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I now think that we will not get a new Bond film after B25 until 2024 at the earliest.

    2024 would be a safe bet. Hope they can manage a new Bond film by 2022 or 2023, but I highly doubt it. All comes down to how fast they'll get started on recasting the role.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I now think that we will not get a new Bond film after B25 until 2024 at the earliest.

    2024 would be a safe bet. Hope they can manage a new Bond film by 2022 or 2023, but I highly doubt it. All comes down to how fast they'll get started on recasting the role.

    I think it also depends on how motivated EOn is to get another film going after B25. My impression was everyone was so burned out after SP a break was needed. In addition Barbara had other projects and interests to focus on.
    There would be many decisions to make regarding Bond's future after this next film and Craig i could take awhile.
  • QQ7QQ7 Croatia
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    I actually think that 5 year gap is reasonable at this point in time.
    Producers probably think that 25+ is pretty high number and they don't want to overflood the market.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I now think that we will not get a new Bond film after B25 until 2024 at the earliest.

    2024 would be a safe bet. Hope they can manage a new Bond film by 2022 or 2023, but I highly doubt it. All comes down to how fast they'll get started on recasting the role.

    I think it also depends on how motivated EOn is to get another film going after B25. My impression was everyone was so burned out after SP a break was needed. In addition Barbara had other projects and interests to focus on.
    There would be many decisions to make regarding Bond's future after this next film and Craig i could take awhile.

    I fear things will take a while after Bond 25, unfortunately. We can only hope Bond 25 will be a massive critical and financial success, and that EON might want to keep Bond in the spotlight – releasing Bond 26 as quick as possible.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    There are up sides and down sides to this. The up side is that a Bond film feel more like an event because they don't come around so often. The down side is that expectations are set higher, and if the film doesn't meet expectations, it feels like more of a disappointment. A bad Bond film won't feel as bad if there is another one in 2 years.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    There are up sides and down sides to this. The up side is that a Bond film feel more like an event because they don't come around so often. The down side is that expectations are set higher, and if the film doesn't meet expectations, it feels like more of a disappointment. A bad Bond film won't feel as bad if there is another one in 2 years.
    Just speaking for myself, I don't feel them being any more of an event than I did when they were releasing them every two years during the Brosnan and early Craig years. It's just that they take longer to come out. At the end of the day, it's still a Bond film regardless. They're not any more 'epic' or anything like that, and fundamentally they offer the same ingredients, just mixed up a little differently than before.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 2018 Posts: 8,438
    I have the feel that, for better or worse, Bond films have become more complex. It partially explains why they need a little extra time, because it is no longer a question of picking a selection of locations, thinking up some cool stunts and that's it. I love the 80's and 70's but those were very much "plug in the elements" type movies. I wish we had a film that was a straight up romp again, I think they need to find a way to get back there without retracing old steps.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I have the feel that, for better or worse, Bond films have become more complex. It partially explains why they need a little extra time, because it is no longer a question of picking a selection of locations, thinking up some cool stunts and that's it. I love the 80's and 70's but those were very much "plug in the elements" type movies. I wish we had a film that was a straight up romp again, I think they need to find a way to get back there without retracing old steps.
    The complexity is perhaps in the behind the scenes shenanigans with many fingers and corporations in the pie, but I don't personally see it onscreen. I mean really, how different to a standard Bond film were QoS or SP? Not too much as far as I'm concerned. The same elements and basic structure is there - it's just reconfigured a bit differently and with a personal element. CR & SF were different admittedly, particularly the latter - but not any more so than OHMSS imho.

    In terms of having a straight up romp, I'm not sure we will see that with this leadership. The direction comes from the top, and the rest falls into place as a consequence. Craig's casting is a direct result of what Broccoli finds important.

    What I personally hope for is a new actor with the skillset and sensibility to more naturally evoke a bit of that old flair, nonchalance and style - so that even if they continue on this path I can be more readily reminded of what I enjoy the most about Bond films at the same time without it seeming out of place in the context of the story they are trying to tell. I don't think the two elements are mutually exclusive. It's not a binary choice. It just needs to be finessed and melded together better and that takes skill, talent and a very keen eye.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,438
    bondjames wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I have the feel that, for better or worse, Bond films have become more complex. It partially explains why they need a little extra time, because it is no longer a question of picking a selection of locations, thinking up some cool stunts and that's it. I love the 80's and 70's but those were very much "plug in the elements" type movies. I wish we had a film that was a straight up romp again, I think they need to find a way to get back there without retracing old steps.
    The complexity is perhaps in the behind the scenes shenanigans with many fingers and corporations in the pie, but I don't personally see it onscreen. I mean really, how different to a standard Bond film were QoS or SP? Not too much as far as I'm concerned. The same elements and basic structure is there - it's just reconfigured a bit differently and with a personal element. CR & SF were different admittedly, particularly the latter - but not any more so than OHMSS imho.

    In terms of having a straight up romp, I'm not sure we will see that with this leadership. The direction comes from the top, and the rest falls into place as a consequence. Craig's casting is a direct result of what Broccoli finds important.

    What I personally hope for is a new actor with the skillset and sensibility to more naturally evoke a bit of that old flair, nonchalance and style - so that even if they continue on this path I can be more readily reminded of what I enjoy the most about Bond films at the same time without it seeming out of place in the context of the story they are trying to tell. I don't think the two elements are mutually exclusive. It's not a binary choice. It just needs to be finessed and melded together better and that takes skill, talent and a very keen eye.

    I agree the end result may not be that much more complex but the process to get there requires more thought. Firstly, they have less material to adapt now, as most of Flemings novels have been covered. You're right that OHMSS has character and story depth but most of that is thanks to Flemings work, which saves time.

    It's a sad fact of the times we live in that EON can rely on stereotypes in the same way they used to. The comedy sheriff shoehorned in for a quick injection of humour, the questionable commentary of forgein cultures, and the innumerable Bond girls which are little more than eye candy. Not saying that stuff is bad, but it's a fact that they cannot do it anymore. It would be brand suicide.

    I should clarify, when I say I want a romp, what I mean is a film that flows from A to Z with as little extra narrative weight as possible. Pulling this off is going to be difficult, very difficult because it will be hard not to seem like they are just running back to formula. Only a really well told story, which feels as fresh as it does traditional can overcome that barrier.

    I agree the choice of actor is crucial. We need someone with a more natural insouciance and repartee, which will sell the audience on a new course. Tom Cruise is a great example, although not prefect for Bond. Charisma is key, and the ideal candidate may be right under our noses.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    I believe that this will be DC's final film, although it could quite easily have been more when you look back over his tenure.

    I hope Bond 26 comes out 2022 due to the 60th Anniversary of the franchise.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I have the feel that, for better or worse, Bond films have become more complex. It partially explains why they need a little extra time, because it is no longer a question of picking a selection of locations, thinking up some cool stunts and that's it. I love the 80's and 70's but those were very much "plug in the elements" type movies. I wish we had a film that was a straight up romp again, I think they need to find a way to get back there without retracing old steps.
    The complexity is perhaps in the behind the scenes shenanigans with many fingers and corporations in the pie, but I don't personally see it onscreen. I mean really, how different to a standard Bond film were QoS or SP? Not too much as far as I'm concerned. The same elements and basic structure is there - it's just reconfigured a bit differently and with a personal element. CR & SF were different admittedly, particularly the latter - but not any more so than OHMSS imho.

    In terms of having a straight up romp, I'm not sure we will see that with this leadership. The direction comes from the top, and the rest falls into place as a consequence. Craig's casting is a direct result of what Broccoli finds important.

    What I personally hope for is a new actor with the skillset and sensibility to more naturally evoke a bit of that old flair, nonchalance and style - so that even if they continue on this path I can be more readily reminded of what I enjoy the most about Bond films at the same time without it seeming out of place in the context of the story they are trying to tell. I don't think the two elements are mutually exclusive. It's not a binary choice. It just needs to be finessed and melded together better and that takes skill, talent and a very keen eye.

    I agree the end result may not be that much more complex but the process to get there requires more thought. Firstly, they have less material to adapt now, as most of Flemings novels have been covered. You're right that OHMSS has character and story depth but most of that is thanks to Flemings work, which saves time.

    It's a sad fact of the times we live in that EON can rely on stereotypes in the same way they used to. The comedy sheriff shoehorned in for a quick injection of humour, the questionable commentary of forgein cultures, and the innumerable Bond girls which are little more than eye candy. Not saying that stuff is bad, but it's a fact that they cannot do it anymore. It would be brand suicide.

    I should clarify, when I say I want a romp, what I mean is a film that flows from A to Z with as little extra narrative weight as possible. Pulling this off is going to be difficult, very difficult because it will be hard not to seem like they are just running back to formula. Only a really well told story, which feels as fresh as it does traditional can overcome that barrier.

    I agree the choice of actor is crucial. We need someone with a more natural insouciance and repartee, which will sell the audience on a new course. Tom Cruise is a great example, although not prefect for Bond. Charisma is key, and the ideal candidate may be right under our noses.
    I agree on pretty much everything you've written here.

    I still think though that it's possible to pull in some of the stereotypical humour and also have a film that flows 'lightly' from A to Z without extra weight. That takes finesse. One has to have an eye and a genuine passion for it. Some of the stereotypical stuff was there in SF with the MP scenario and trajectory. It was subtle.
  • jobojobo
    edited December 2018 Posts: 7,507
    Lets be honest: Pre production planing, hiring a decent director and finishing a script is not that hard or time consuming! Even for "complex films". It should be perfectly possible to complete within a year or two maximum, however "thoughtful" it has to be. And that leaves one year for casting and production. A hiatus of 2 to 3 years should be perfectly reasonable without negatively effecting the quality of the film!
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited December 2018 Posts: 17,814
    jobo wrote: »
    Lets be honest: Pre production planing, hiring a decent director and finishing a script is not that hard or time consuming! Even for "complex films". It should be perfectly possible to complete within a year or two maximum, however "thoughtful" it has to be. And that leaves one year for casting and production. A hiatus of 2 to 3 years should be perfectly reasonable without negatively effecting the quality of the film!

    Agree. It shouldn't be that difficult, although being EON we might be in for a longer wait (unfortunately). These gaps surely can't help the franchise anything. If they can't make a film every three years, ideally they should be looking for a fresh set of writers (or sole writer) for each film, and have people signed on shortly after a new film premieres – if not before.

    Having experience with both TV and film script – and being the current Bond continuation writer (of two books, not only one), Anthony Horowitz should be a man to consider, IMO.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited December 2018 Posts: 4,692
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Lets be honest: Pre production planing, hiring a decent director and finishing a script is not that hard or time consuming! Even for "complex films". It should be perfectly possible to complete within a year or two maximum, however "thoughtful" it has to be. And that leaves one year for casting and production. A hiatus of 2 to 3 years should be perfectly reasonable without negatively effecting the quality of the film!

    Agree. It shouldn't be that difficult, although being EON we might be in for a longer wait (unfortunately). These gaps surely can't help the franchise anything. If they can't make a film every three years, ideally they should be looking for a fresh set of writers (or sole writer) for each film, and have people signed on shortly after a new film premieres – if not before.

    Having experience with both TV and film script – and being the current Bond continuation writer (of two books, not only one), Anthony Horowitz should be a man to consider, IMO.

    I agree! Get rid of Purvis and Wade and get Anthony Horowitz to adapt Forever and a Day! It's arguably the best thing to do after Craig leaves for good. Reboot the reboot! Keep Ralph Fiennes as M please.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    It´s been reiterated to death on this forum already, but the fact that the producers keep giving P&W a monopoly on Bond scripts is frankly absurd! There has to be better and motivated alternatives out there. I suspect Babs is too hung up on this "family feeling" regarding the production crew. P&W have been around for some time and are obviously liked, so that is why they stick to them for the case familiarity.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,814
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Lets be honest: Pre production planing, hiring a decent director and finishing a script is not that hard or time consuming! Even for "complex films". It should be perfectly possible to complete within a year or two maximum, however "thoughtful" it has to be. And that leaves one year for casting and production. A hiatus of 2 to 3 years should be perfectly reasonable without negatively effecting the quality of the film!

    Agree. It shouldn't be that difficult, although being EON we might be in for a longer wait (unfortunately). These gaps surely can't help the franchise anything. If they can't make a film every three years, ideally they should be looking for a fresh set of writers (or sole writer) for each film, and have people signed on shortly after a new film premieres – if not before.

    Having experience with both TV and film script – and being the current Bond continuation writer (of two books, not only one), Anthony Horowitz should be a man to consider, IMO.

    I agree! Get rid of Purvis and Wade and get Anthony Horowitz to adapt Forever and a Day! It's arguably the best thing to do after Craig leaves for good. Reboot the reboot! Keep Ralph Fiennes as M please.

    …in a modern setting, surely? :-)
    jobo wrote: »
    It´s been reiterated to death on this forum already, but the fact that the producers keep giving P&W a monopoly on Bond scripts is frankly absurd! There has to be better and motivated alternatives out there. I suspect Babs is too hung up on this "family feeling" regarding the production crew. P&W have been around for some time and are obviously liked, so that is why they stick to them for the case familiarity.

    Wouldn't be surprising if that is the case. If they are going to stick to using P&W after Bond 25, they should at least get a third writer on board to keep things fresh. I know they are doing so with Fukunaga now, but I'm thinking of hiring a third writer before any writing process has started.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,692
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Lets be honest: Pre production planing, hiring a decent director and finishing a script is not that hard or time consuming! Even for "complex films". It should be perfectly possible to complete within a year or two maximum, however "thoughtful" it has to be. And that leaves one year for casting and production. A hiatus of 2 to 3 years should be perfectly reasonable without negatively effecting the quality of the film!

    Agree. It shouldn't be that difficult, although being EON we might be in for a longer wait (unfortunately). These gaps surely can't help the franchise anything. If they can't make a film every three years, ideally they should be looking for a fresh set of writers (or sole writer) for each film, and have people signed on shortly after a new film premieres – if not before.

    Having experience with both TV and film script – and being the current Bond continuation writer (of two books, not only one), Anthony Horowitz should be a man to consider, IMO.

    I agree! Get rid of Purvis and Wade and get Anthony Horowitz to adapt Forever and a Day! It's arguably the best thing to do after Craig leaves for good. Reboot the reboot! Keep Ralph Fiennes as M please.

    …in a modern setting, surely? :-)
    jobo wrote: »
    It´s been reiterated to death on this forum already, but the fact that the producers keep giving P&W a monopoly on Bond scripts is frankly absurd! There has to be better and motivated alternatives out there. I suspect Babs is too hung up on this "family feeling" regarding the production crew. P&W have been around for some time and are obviously liked, so that is why they stick to them for the case familiarity.

    Wouldn't be surprising if that is the case. If they are going to stick to using P&W after Bond 25, they should at least get a third writer on board to keep things fresh. I know they are doing so with Fukunaga now, but I'm thinking of hiring a third writer before any writing process has started.

    Yes, set FAAD in the modern day. Believe it or not, a lot of past Bonds have worked in a modern setting despite being set in the 50s and 60s.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,438
    I will make an official prediction:

    Bond 26 will be released in either June or July of 2023.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,814
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Lets be honest: Pre production planing, hiring a decent director and finishing a script is not that hard or time consuming! Even for "complex films". It should be perfectly possible to complete within a year or two maximum, however "thoughtful" it has to be. And that leaves one year for casting and production. A hiatus of 2 to 3 years should be perfectly reasonable without negatively effecting the quality of the film!

    Agree. It shouldn't be that difficult, although being EON we might be in for a longer wait (unfortunately). These gaps surely can't help the franchise anything. If they can't make a film every three years, ideally they should be looking for a fresh set of writers (or sole writer) for each film, and have people signed on shortly after a new film premieres – if not before.

    Having experience with both TV and film script – and being the current Bond continuation writer (of two books, not only one), Anthony Horowitz should be a man to consider, IMO.

    I agree! Get rid of Purvis and Wade and get Anthony Horowitz to adapt Forever and a Day! It's arguably the best thing to do after Craig leaves for good. Reboot the reboot! Keep Ralph Fiennes as M please.

    …in a modern setting, surely? :-)
    jobo wrote: »
    It´s been reiterated to death on this forum already, but the fact that the producers keep giving P&W a monopoly on Bond scripts is frankly absurd! There has to be better and motivated alternatives out there. I suspect Babs is too hung up on this "family feeling" regarding the production crew. P&W have been around for some time and are obviously liked, so that is why they stick to them for the case familiarity.

    Wouldn't be surprising if that is the case. If they are going to stick to using P&W after Bond 25, they should at least get a third writer on board to keep things fresh. I know they are doing so with Fukunaga now, but I'm thinking of hiring a third writer before any writing process has started.

    Yes, set FAAD in the modern day. Believe it or not, a lot of past Bonds have worked in a modern setting despite being set in the 50s and 60s.

    Indeed they have! :-D
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I will make an official prediction:

    Bond 26 will be released in either June or July of 2023.

    2023 would be great, and hopefully achievable. But why June/July?
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