MI6 Community Novel Bondathon - Reborn!

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  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    That's disgusting.
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    After all, pigs are as intelligent as cats, but we still eat them. (And I hear that human flesh tastes most like that of a pig!)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Chinese are known for eating cat.

    Koreans are known for eating dog.

    Korean question to American me: Is it true Americans eat horse?

    I'll defer to @Revelator on human flesh.
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    I'll defer to @Revelator on human flesh.

    Sadly I have yet to sample that delicacy, thanks to various silly laws and various problems with ethically sourcing. But I have eaten sheep's brains (in pâté) and alligator (which really does taste like chicken).

    Returning to Goldfinger's cat, I now see that Fleming was not simply being anti-Korean, though the gleam in Oddjob's eyes when he accepts his dinner is meant to accentuate our disgust (I hope to God the poor thing was humanely killed--doubtful!). I suppose that nameless but helpful ginger cat could be considered yet another sacrificial lamb--err, cat--among Bond's allies.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Why did Goldfinger have a cat in the first place? Because ginger cats are gold-coloured and he couldn't resist? Did he also have a golden retriever?

    (Knowing cats, it just turned up one day and moved in.)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    Why did Goldfinger have a cat in the first place? Because ginger cats are gold-coloured and he couldn't resist? Did he also have a golden retriever?

    And goldfish. To feed the cat with.
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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    Why did Goldfinger have a cat in the first place? Because ginger cats are gold-coloured and he couldn't resist? Did he also have a golden retriever?

    He should have! My guess is that that breed was less popular in the late 50s UK and probably wasn't on Fleming's radar. But if the book was written a few decades later Goldfinger would probably have had a kennel of golden retrievers.

    Like human names, dog breeds are subject to fads and lengthy trends. I find it very interesting how some breeds become all the rage (like the Chihuahua) while others decline in popularity (the Scottie). But I digress...in any case, dogs and cats are featured far less in the Bond novels than birds and fish.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Boy I wish people would finish up with Goldfinger and move onto For Your Eyes Only or Trigger Mortis.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    Why did Goldfinger have a cat in the first place? Because ginger cats are gold-coloured and he couldn't resist? Did he also have a golden retriever?

    And goldfish. To feed the cat with.

    Goldfish. You know you put it in a bowl and you feed it.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Do we read FYEO? I wasn't sure; I started reading it, but am not too far.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    I don't think I have those. What do they look like?
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Oh yeah. Draggers sent me scans.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    SHAPE is a very strangly named organization, specifically since it sounds like a parody of Bond.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Are you a fan of short stories?
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    SHAPE is a very strangly named organization, specifically since it sounds like a parody of Bond.

    I was astonished to learn that it was real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Headquarters_Allied_Powers_Europe
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    SHAPE is a very strangly named organization, specifically since it sounds like a parody of Bond.

    I was astonished to learn that it was real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Headquarters_Allied_Powers_Europe

    Yes, I was going to say earlier that it was actually a real organisation so Fleming had no hand in its creation!
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    “These people can’t be hung, but they should be killed.” A line that shouldn’t go unused.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    “These people can’t be hung, but they should be killed.” A line that shouldn’t go unused.

    I would agree, except that it should be "hanged" instead of "hung". It's a common misused word in that context, of course. Meat is hung, people are hanged.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    “These people can’t be hung, but they should be killed.” A line that shouldn’t go unused.

    I would agree, except that it should be "hanged" instead of "hung". It's a common misused word in that context, of course. Meat is hung, people are hanged.

    That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I never got the difference.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    “These people can’t be hung, but they should be killed.” A line that shouldn’t go unused.

    I would agree, except that it should be "hanged" instead of "hung". It's a common misused word in that context, of course. Meat is hung, people are hanged.

    That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I never got the difference.

    Now if it was, say, Mussolini's body being hung from the petrol station in Milan after he was shot that we're taking about, that would be the correct use of the term.

    It's a small thing and an easy mistake to make, but there it is. It's mentioned in Chancellor's book on the literary Bond. However, I don't think that a rare and honest mistake from Fleming's pen should be perpetuated in the films also, should it ever come to be used. That much of a Fleming purist I'm not.

    Anyway, it's most likely a moot point as the films (sadly) rarely take dialogue verbatim from Fleming these days, compacted by the fact that hanging was of course abolished by statute in the UK in 1965, with the last hangings taking place in April 1964, not that long before Fleming's death.

    I know that people in the UK may still say such and such a criminal in the news "should be hanged" for some heinous crime but it's merely an exclamation and not a factual reality any longer.
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    Plus nowadays "hung" is mostly used after "well."
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Plus nowadays "hung" is mostly used after "well."

    Unfortunately, yes. 'Tis the age we live in.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    So it's hanged like Hang 'Em High (1968). And hung like Three On a Meathook (1972).
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    So it's hanged like Hang 'Em High (1968). And hung like Three On a Meathook (1972).

    You could say that. Hang 'Em High is my favourite Western.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Hang me!
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    I’m ashamed to admit this, and I’m expecting some backlash, but I’ve never fully read a Fleming Bond novel (please don’t kill me!!!). A question to the veterans - is reading them in order the best way to go about it? I’m excited to begin sometime.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    @FoxRox, no interest in killing you... in fact, I’m sure there will be some envy from those remembering the joy of reading them for the first time. I would recommend reading them in order unless you’re not a dedicated reader and only want to pick a few at a time...? Then I’m sure you will get many suggestions and debate about where to start...
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    @DoctorNo I ordered Casino Royale and Live and Let Die, seeing as they are the first two. I figured reading them in order might be a good plan.
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    @Birdleson I’m very excited to begin. I don’t know why but I never made it a point to begin reading them before. If they’re better than the films than I’m seriously in for a treat because I love the films to death. I’ll take your word for it though - the novel is usually superior to the film adaptation, even with great film adaptations.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 2,918
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m ashamed to admit this, and I’m expecting some backlash, but I’ve never fully read a Fleming Bond novel (please don’t kill me!!!). A question to the veterans - is reading them in order the best way to go about it? I’m excited to begin sometime.

    It's never too late to start! And since some of the novels have nothing to do with the films, you'll enjoy some completely "new" Bond adventures. If you wish to read all of the books, then I definitely recommend going in chronological order, because Bond and his world change over the course of the series. If not, you can pick a trio of books to start with, such as the first three (CR, LALD, MR), the middle period (FRWL, DN, GF) or the Blofeld trilogy (TB, OHMSS, YOLT).

    One thing I recommend while reading each book is to try and temporarily banish your memories of the film version. If we read a book before seeing a film, we develop our own visualization and interpretation of it, which we then compare with the film's adaptation. But if we watch the film and then read the book, our visualization and interpretation tend to be heavily influenced by the film's, which means judging the original by the adaptation, rather than the other way around.

    Also keep in mind that the books have far less action than the films, but this compensated for by the "interior action" inside Bond's thoughts. Lastly, I hope you will share your thoughts with us as you read them.
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