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Colorcorrecting Skyfall and SPECTRE:
Decided to post the videos as requested here, since they have nothing to do with Bond 25 and the production diary thread! Background for posting:
From: https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/10843/bond-25-production-diary-daniel-craig-confirms-his-return-for-final-bond-performance/p981
Here are several examples from both movies:
And here's the colorcorrected tracking shot from SP:
I'll take "like I as Bond fan want to see it" (meaning natural and vibrant) over "like the director wants you to see it." Sorry, Sam.
From: https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/10843/bond-25-production-diary-daniel-craig-confirms-his-return-for-final-bond-performance/p981
PropertyOfALady wrote: »
Let's see it!
Just uploaded. They went overboard with the colorgrading. Example from my own version and personal preference (comments appreciated):
PropertyOfALady wrote: »It looks excellent, I love it! Also, I would love to see the whole scene colorcorrected without cutting back and forth betweeen the two version. Do you have that? If so, can you please upload it when you have time?
Sure, I can do that. I can also include other examples from both SF and SP. The only two Bond movies I felt like colorcorrecting.
Here are several examples from both movies:
And here's the colorcorrected tracking shot from SP:
I'll take "like I as Bond fan want to see it" (meaning natural and vibrant) over "like the director wants you to see it." Sorry, Sam.
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However, the same can't be said about SF for me. Your colour correction sucks the atmosphere and life out of the shots completely. It's good you've posted as it's a decent example to show how they got it very right with that movie and how it's follow up pushed it too far.
I just don't like the intense colorgrading in both movies. The bar scene in SF is all orange and does not look natural. Removing it may "suck the atmosphere out completely" for some viewers, but what do I care? Like I said: it's personal preference only and made for my own viewing only.
Used the RGB curves, and highlights -33, shadow +20 and overall saturation set to 120.
My mistake. I thought you'd posted it on a discussion forum.
I thought Morroco was very good also. I would've preferred Mexico to be a little more vibrant and I'd have upped the blues in Austria a little but otherwise, in context, it works.
SP on the other hand looks truly glorious without the filtering, the shots in the desert exude the majesty of Lawrence of Arabia or Star Wars. I don´t get anything like that from the official version.
Like I say I thought you'd posted it for discussion. Not knocking your attempt, just pointing out that SF and SP are very different in the way they use colour and filters and there's not a catchall resolution to me.
That's straight up rude.
Eh?
I'm not very fond of Mendes' creativity here, but I respect of course if others are. You are not correct though when saying that "SF and SP are very different in the way they use colour and filters." There are many simliarities, especially Mendes' love for orange. Some times it works for me, some times it doesn't. In my SP version I didn't make a single change to the Rome-scenes, because I thought it fitted the mood perfectly and just looked good. In the bar scene in SF? Way too much.
I appreciate you posting it and understand if you don't like it. That's fair enough, mate.
Compare Istanbul in Skyfall with Istanbul in From Russia with Love for instance.
Which part of QoS did that someone refer to? Some scenes are graded, some are not. And they are graded differently.
I think QoS looks very vibrant and good overall. A great entry if it wasn't for the shakycam. I don't feel any need for it to be tampered with, like SF and SP.
001 said this: Yes i agree again (it's been said many times before) how they stuffed up the colour in Skyfall and Spectre.
Even QOS has the same nasty effects.
To me you get a bit more respect if you make it to become a real cinematographer and actually managing to improve on your predecessors while shooting a Bond film. But this? It's all too 'fan-wanky' for me.
Also, fandom like this is destroying the respect for the final product. I mean, do we do this kind of stuff for classic Bond films? For example if we disagree with Ted Moore? No. Because the status they received permits us from doing that. But by doing this with recent Bond films, we're actually helping destroying a certain future status of newer Bond films. I dislike it.
I don't think I use disrespectful words @Zekidk. And if you feel offended, it wasn't my intention. But sadly, this is how I think about it.
There's nothing wrong with trying things differently. it's not like it's an officially released version that replaces the official one.
I'm not looking for your respect. And I am never in the mood for someone who
criticize other people's go at trying to be creative.
"Like shitting in their faces"? Why are you in the 'Fan Creation' section, if your agenda is trying to bring people down? Simply saying "it's not for me, and I don't like it" would suffice.
I need to apoligize @Zekidk. Iam very sorry :-(. It was not my intention to harm you or to bring you down. And I really really tried to not use offensive language or words that are really offensive.
Still, this is not my style of doing things @Zekidk. I just don't like it very much if we re-do work that men like Hoyte van Hoytema invested so much time in. That's my honest opinion. I respect your work, but I don't like it. My apoligies once again.
Regarding fan creations? I love writing for instance. Or making desktop backgrounds. But when I write I am not going to write my version of SP or I'm going to make my own main titles for a previous film. It's not very much my style. I hope you understand.
I think you touch on an interesting point. I think a lot of the negativity directed at both his entries is built on this idea he is deliberately trying to be pretentious. Narratively, I can see the argument, but visually I just don't buy it, especially with SF. Deakins is one of the best DOP's working today and between him and Mendes they deliver a film that is visually stunning from composition to lighting to grade. It's rich and atmospheric. I simply cannot see how this film is lifeless. In fact I'd say it's one of the most misjudged sentiments I've heard directed at it.
But for me you need the sticky heat in that bar scene and your correction cools it. Again, it's preference, but I'm of the mind that SF was incredibly carefully considered between Mendes/Deakins. On the other hand I'm not sure the relationship between Sam and Hoyle was quite the same and a lot of the look appears to have been created in post.
This. It's a fan creation, like anyone else. Personally, I appreciate seeing SP color-corrected. Much nicer on the eyes.
I have my issues with SF, but personally, I thought the cinematography was one of its strongest highlights. One of those movies where I feel like I could pause at any point, and the image on screen would make for a cracking desktop wallpaper or a poster.
Yes! +1
Overall, in my opinion, I do think the corrections you made are an improvement. What stood out to me the most, where the shots in Morocco, really beautiful.
Thanks for posting!