Why ??!!...The whinging,moaning,complaining,ranting,letting off steam thread !!

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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    The Taste Café at Chesil shut down yesterday. About a week after we visited it. They served the best fish platter I ever ate.
    https://vraiefiction.blogspot.com/2023/09/fish-platter.html?m=1
    I don't know that café (not surprisingly), but I know the feeling that firms discontinue their only products you really like, for the reason that too few people share your feelings about those products to keep them profitable. Maybe it's the same here.
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The Taste Café at Chesil shut down yesterday. About a week after we visited it. They served the best fish platter I ever ate.
    https://vraiefiction.blogspot.com/2023/09/fish-platter.html?m=1
    I don't know that café (not surprisingly), but I know the feeling that firms discontinue their only products you really like, for the reason that too few people share your feelings about those products to keep them profitable. Maybe it's the same here.

    We just visited it, that's what's cruel. The one genuinely great meal I had during our holiday in Dorset. It had a great staff too, warm, friendly, professional, efficient. I bought beer there and a sandwich for dinner later that day. Best cheese sandwich I had in a while too. I just find it really sad.
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    After mostly avoiding the heatwaves they had in Europe, it seems that it's going to he hot again in the UK. In September. Thus in autumn (meteorological autumn, but still). I hate heat.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited September 2023 Posts: 3,154
    And me. This July was the best summer month I can remember in decades- it never seemed to get above 16 degrees and it rained three days out of every five. Now it's September and the sun's blazing in a cloudless sky. In Yorkshire?! Damn you, 'African plume'! Can't see the appeal - sat gasping for breath while sweating through your clothes, with a killing headache from screwing your eyes up against the glare, while every chav halfwit in a half-mile radius is outside screaming like they're being skinned alive. It's not for me. Roll on, October!
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    Venutius wrote: »
    And me. This July was the best summer month I can remember in decades- it never seemed to get above 16 degrees and it rained three days out of every five. Now it's September and the sun's blazing in a cloudless sky. In Yorkshire?! Damn you, 'African plume'! Can't see the appeal - sat gasping for breath while sweating through your clothes, with a killing headache from screwing your eyes up against the glare, while every chav halfwit in a half-mile radius is outside screaming like they're being skinned alive. It's not for me. Roll on, October!

    This.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    And me. This July was the best summer month I can remember in decades- it never seemed to get above 16 degrees and it rained three days out of every five. Now it's September and the sun's blazing in a cloudless sky. In Yorkshire?! Damn you, 'African plume'! Can't see the appeal - sat gasping for breath while sweating through your clothes, with a killing headache from screwing your eyes up against the glare, while every chav halfwit in a half-mile radius is outside screaming like they're being skinned alive. It's not for me. Roll on, October!

    You read my mind, sir. I loathe temperatures above 20 degrees centigrade. I start dripping like a pierced water balloon, I feel tired, and I can't sleep at night. Last Summer was pretty okay for me. I had hoped that it would stay this way. And now we're looking at a blazing hot September. Darn. I agree, October can't be here soon enough!
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    A glimmer of hope: apparently the heatwave might end abruptly with thunderstorms by the end of the week. I sure hope it's the last blast of summertime.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I like summer, and this year it seems to have been an overall average summer in Northern Germany (like before everyone thought of climate change). Which also means that I found July quite shitty and too cold and wet (after six weeks of drought in late May and June). But I do like temperatures around 23 or 24 C, just not prolonged periods of more than 30, or the two days above 40 C last year which broke every record since temperatures were recorded.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited September 2023 Posts: 1,668
    I just spent a week in Tehachapi California standing in feels-like 110 F. Had a lovely time and wore plenty of sunscreen.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    I just spent a week in Tehachapi California standing in feels-like 110 F. Had a lovely time and wore plenty of sunscreen.

    Probably quite a change from "Arkhangelsk" :-)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    I just spent a week in Tehachapi California standing in feels-like 110 F. Had a lovely time and wore plenty of sunscreen.

    Probably quite a change from "Arkhangelsk" :-)

    Zukovsky's knee could attest to that. :)
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    A glimmer of hope: apparently the heatwave might end abruptly with thunderstorms by the end of the week. I sure hope it's the last blast of summertime.

    Ah, now storms I like! No, I'm not a Goth. I said I'm not a...oh...
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Went to the dentist for the first time in way too long (telling on myself here a little bit). Didn't have any problems, but I figured you're supposed to go there regularly. A couple of minor things had to be done and they did a whole cleaning operation. My teeth and gums hurt way more than they have in the years I didn't go to the dentists. I know this is short term and it's better longterm to get everything fixed and cleaned, but I'm still so annoyed...
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Went to the dentist for the first time in way too long (telling on myself here a little bit). Didn't have any problems, but I figured you're supposed to go there regularly. A couple of minor things had to be done and they did a whole cleaning operation. My teeth and gums hurt way more than they have in the years I didn't go to the dentists. I know this is short term and it's better longterm to get everything fixed and cleaned, but I'm still so annoyed...

    @ImpertinentGoon
    I visit the dentist once every year. It's the best way to keep the suffering to a minimum. ;-)

    Hang in there, friend. A storm in the mouth is hard to ignore.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    CrabKey wrote: »

    Perhaps I read it wrong, but that article had very little to do with Bond. It was a political rant more than anything else.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    CrabKey wrote: »

    Yeah, it's just the usual right-wing nonsense from Ross Douthat, the guy the NYT keeps as an excuse for even David Brooks and Bret Stephens showing some sort of democratic sense and decency (which is what I expect from true conservatives) and therefore no more reflecting the entire political spectrum enough, since there are people that think MAGAts should also be represented.

    If you're interested in Bond's alleged wokeness: This is only about the novel "On His Majesty's Secret Service", and even that really only in the first paragraph. The rest is the usual "conservative" (have to put this in quotes, as it is a misnomer of the first degree for those people) whining about the alleged leftists no longer letting them degrade people of different colour or gender or whathaveyou. Really, really uninteresting, so save your time. As DarthDimi correctly mentioned, it has nothing to do with Bond other than mentioning the new novel as its trigger.

    And by the way, I have never voted for a left-of-center party for my entire voting life. But certainly also never for anything as borderline right-wing radical as what once was the GOP.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    How come the right-wingers suddenly found out about OHiMSS? Wasn’t there a similar text in the Spectator a few days back? Did it come out in the US or something? Or are they just all plagiarising each other?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    How come the right-wingers suddenly found out about OHiMSS? Wasn’t there a similar text in the Spectator a few days back? Did it come out in the US or something? Or are they just all plagiarising each other?

    At least Ross Douthat, in that NYT piece, admits: "The book’s mere existence seems designed to agitate conservatives; I wouldn’t have read it without the spur of hostile reviews from right-of-center British scribblers." So yes, you have a point. He read some right-wingers' hostile stuff and then decided to use their claims as a handle for a broader display of his standard MAGA and catholic-reactionary ideas. But not more.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »

    Perhaps I read it wrong, but that article had very little to do with Bond. It was a political rant more than anything else.

    You read it correctly.

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    Whether used by conservatives or liberals, woke is a term I do not like.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited September 2023 Posts: 9,074
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Whether used by conservatives or liberals, woke is a term I do not like.

    I share your feeling. I just have the impression that it has mutated from a positive description of one being considerate toward one's fellow men and women (the "liberal" interpretation) to a pure political buzzword used by the right to denigrate anything (or much more important, anyone) that is not to their liking.
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Whether used by conservatives or liberals, woke is a term I do not like.

    I share your feeling. I just have the impression that it has mutated from a positive description of one being considerate toward one's fellow men and women (the "liberal" interpretation) to a pure political buzzword used by the right to denigrate anything (or much more important, anyone) that is not to their liking.

    My awareness of social issues is long standing. Not something I've awakened to as a result of headlines. Labels are easy and lazy. They tend to be all inclusive when in fact many of us are not all in on everything.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    "Woke" is a term mostly used by "anti-wokers". It's the "anti" fraction that obsesses over something that really isn't there. A few SJW and whatnot can be extreme and trigger-happy in terms of cancelling those whose opinion they can't handle (e.g. JK Rowling), but overall, most people are perfectly happy playing in the middle of the field, where nothing is either "woke" or "anti-woke" but simply common sense, where people aren't out to cancel anyone, nor to cry that its "un-amewican" for a movie to be carried by a female lead.

    I used to think that we are now smack in the middle of a tough culture war. Turns out I couldn't be more mistaken. A few loud opinions on the Internet and some televised spectacle do not represent the majority voice. I have discovered that most people frankly don't care all that much. When questioned, they'll drop a few comments, possibly rephrasing what they think is the popular opinion, but deepdown inside, they're not exactly losing any sleep over whatever is the battle of the day on clickbait websites, or whatever keeps their teenage daughter's favorite "influencer" ranting for hours on end. Life goes on.

    Just look at Disney Star Wars, or Disney's classics, or, indeed, Daniel Craig's recent Bonds. "Kathleen Kennedy is woking it all up!" "Babs and Craig have feminized Bond!" "Before long, only disabled, transsexual, colored people will be playing the lead roles in our favorite films!" And so on and so on. Really?

    Put a man in front of his computer, and you'll get a big bowl of anger and frustration from his avatar. (I am no exception.) Buy that man a pint, talk to him in person, and he's probably a perfectly reasonable bloke who's still having fun with Bond and who doesn't spend his waking hours worrying about OHiMSS destroying the Bond legacy -- and something about Donald Trump (for some reason). Oh, and "they should fire Babs!" (for some reason.)

    Yeah, I know, I'm ranting too now. But that's because the term "woke" originated as a well-intended metaphor in a much-needed societal debate, but has since been weaponized by extreme fractions on either side of a very different debate. It has become a buzz word for angry Internet tribalism; it has lost its true meaning completely.

    So nowadays, whenever people start building a case under the umbrella of "[...] is too woke!", they have already lost in my mind. The main reason? The people who point fingers at someone or something and yell "woke!" usually do a lousy job of actually defining the term. Start by telling me what constitutes "wokism" in your opinion; and then, maybe, we can talk. Otherwise, you end up looking like a five-year old who sees a grown-up woman and tells his dad that she's "mean", for no reason.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    "Woke" is a term mostly used by "anti-wokers". It's the "anti" fraction that obsesses over something that really isn't there. A few SJW and whatnot can be extreme and trigger-happy in terms of cancelling those whose opinion they can't handle (e.g. JK Rowling), but overall, most people are perfectly happy playing in the middle of the field, where nothing is either "woke" or "anti-woke" but simply common sense, where people aren't out to cancel anyone, nor to cry that its "un-amewican" for a movie to be carried by a female lead.

    I used to think that we are now smack in the middle of a tough culture war. Turns out I couldn't be more mistaken. A few loud opinions on the Internet and some televised spectacle do not represent the majority voice. I have discovered that most people frankly don't care all that much. When questioned, they'll drop a few comments, possibly rephrasing what they think is the popular opinion, but deepdown inside, they're not exactly losing any sleep over whatever is the battle of the day on clickbait websites, or whatever keeps their teenage daughter's favorite "influencer" ranting for hours on end. Life goes on.

    Just look at Disney Star Wars, or Disney's classics, or, indeed, Daniel Craig's recent Bonds. "Kathleen Kennedy is woking it all up!" "Babs and Craig have feminized Bond!" "Before long, only disabled, transsexual, colored people will be playing the lead roles in our favorite films!" And so on and so on. Really?

    Put a man in front of his computer, and you'll get a big bowl of anger and frustration from his avatar. (I am no exception.) Buy that man a pint, talk to him in person, and he's probably a perfectly reasonable bloke who's still having fun with Bond and who doesn't spend his waking hours worrying about OHiMSS destroying the Bond legacy -- and something about Donald Trump (for some reason). Oh, and "they should fire Babs!" (for some reason.)

    Yeah, I know, I'm ranting too now. But that's because the term "woke" originated as a well-intended metaphor in a much-needed societal debate, but has since been weaponized by extreme fractions on either side of a very different debate. It has become a buzz word for angry Internet tribalism; it has lost its true meaning completely.

    So nowadays, whenever people start building a case under the umbrella of "[...] is too woke!", they have already lost in my mind. The main reason? The people who point fingers at someone or something and yell "woke!" usually do a lousy job of actually defining the term. Start by telling me what constitutes "wokism" in your opinion; and then, maybe, we can talk. Otherwise, you end up looking like a five-year old who sees a grown-up woman and tells his dad that she's "mean", for no reason.

    Tbh I wish you were right, but there are culture wars raging, and indeed the term HAS degraded from a positive understanding of different backgrounds to an 'inclusive' definition that, if you don't fully agree, will exclude you as party on exactly the basis(es) that they claim should not play a role.
    In universities it is now allowed, even in 'science', to blame 'white men' for whatever is considered 'wrong'. I'll give you an example, as i understand these might seem riddles. A few years back, I was still studying Archival and information sciences at the University of Amsterdam. The uni invited a professor from the USA who's lecture explicitly stated that white men had created archival and information sciences' theories and that they were thus wrong. When I protested against this on the basis of discrimination, my complaints were discarded. I'll have you know that many theories in A&I sciences come from women, but that aparently, does not make a difference (I could elaborate on the whole discussion, but that doesn't help here). Next example, a lecturer of multiculturalism (or something in that direction) at the same Uni was fired after complaints about an article that he wrote. It stated that there are, indeed, two biological sexes, that function as opposite ends of a spectrum that makes all those other sexes possible. This was deemed racist/sexist, as the complaints elaborated that there were people whom felt they had a certain 'sex' that has nothing to do with beeing male or female.
    Those people claimed that this lecturer wasn't 'woke' and thus had to be fired, which eventually happened.
    So, is it a culture war? I am afraid it is. And it's a very, very dangerous one, where a very small minority of extremists are influencing the lives of many.
    Other, more general examples:
    - the amount of young people who wanted to change their sex has grown exponentially. One might claim this as a victory for a more understanding society. However, questions remain about if this isn't due to social pressure, where everybody is expected to be 'different', where beeing a 'standard' male or female means you don't belong to the new age? As long as there's no solid, unbiased research we won't know, but a sign might be that after lockdown for covid, the amount of people stopping their prosedures and reverting them grew solidly.
    An interesting case in this matter is linked here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9298887/

    All in all, extremism and social media have come hand in hand on all sides, and I don't think it's helping society at large. I hope the likes of Musk and Zuckerberg will see the errors of their ways and help stop this by adjusting their systems. Not by blocking certain opinions, but making sure algoritms don't push people down a one-way street.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited September 2023 Posts: 1,124
    I don't understand what piercings are made for. What's the point of sticking a literal tiny piece of metal up your eyebrow or up your nose?
    And don't even get me started on the ones with chains, eh.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I don't understand what piercings are made for. What's the point of sticking a literal tiny piece of metal up your eyebrow or up your nose?
    And don't even get me started on the ones with chains, eh.

    I feel much the same about tattoos to be honest and they're very popular among the younger population nowadays. I suppose piercings and tattoos go together in that regard.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I don't understand what piercings are made for. What's the point of sticking a literal tiny piece of metal up your eyebrow or up your nose?
    And don't even get me started on the ones with chains, eh.

    I feel much the same about tattoos to be honest and they're very popular among the younger population nowadays. I suppose piercings and tattoos go together in that regard.

    I'm in with you - though at least earrings and studs have been around for thousands of years. But I don't like that stuff anywhere besides the earlobes (not mine!). Nose rings (and worse) are a complete turnoff for me.

    As for tattoos, I grew up at at time when there were only two groups of people who were having them: sailors and (ex-)convicts. And I wouldn't remotely consider getting one myself, although there are a lot more people now having tattoos, not just young ones, and I have had to adjust my childhood prejudices about tattooed people quite often.

    Still I see tattoos as I see graffiti: A few may be esthetically pleasing if you look at them isolated. Maybe even art. But I have never encountered one that I would have preferred over its absence.

    But everyone must decide themselves what they do to their bodies and what they find attractive. I just don't have to share those feelings.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Tattoos became a bit of a middle class thing in the UK in the '90s and 00s. Dunno if they still are - I'm far too working class to have any. ;) I'd feel like someone had drawn on me with a markerpen while I was asleep.
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    Piercings and tattoos tend to be fairly public, those hidden, noted. Because most are public, I'm not sure if I am supposed to notice and/or have a reaction. Perhaps because I don't like either, I cannot be objective and say something like, "Great tattoo," or "Love the nose ring." I say nothing, but I do notice. For me, they add nothing that enhances one's appearance. I don't feel the same way about pierced ears. If that's a contradiction, so be it. Sure, I've been caught up in fashion trends. But those are easily disposed of when one grows tired of that trend.



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