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The Versus Thread - THIS WEEK: Gary 'Eggsy' Unwin vs Ethan Hunt (on p. 2)

QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
edited October 2017 in General Discussion Posts: 1,812
EDIT: This is NOT a popularity contest. This is about who would win in a fight based on skills, knowledge, resources, ect.

The idea is to pit fictional characters against each other for fun. Everyone votes on who they think would win and at the end of the week I'll try to tally up the score and present our winner. Then I'll set up our next match.
If anyone has a suggestion on who they would like to see fight, let me know and I will make a note of setting it up for the next match. Let's keep the match ups in the realm of possibility. We don't want to pit Batman against Godzilla. The characters can be from any form of entertainment (movies, television, books, comics, and video games) and only fictional characters. We can do team ups as well.
Please help me by placing the name of your vote in bold or by tallying up as we go along.

To start we will do a simple one that has been discussed before...

James Bond vs Jason Bourne
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    James Bond. No question about it.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    They're both two old timers compared to the new kid on the block.
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    Although I'd go for Bond
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited September 2017 Posts: 12,837
    I think it depends. Straight up fight, like they're both in a ring or cage or something and told to kill eachother? Bourne was trained to be a living weapon so probably him. It'd be a close fight and I'm tempted to say Bond but without any gadgets or opportunity to rely on his wits I think Bourne would take it. But say even playing field, they're both in a city and have to kill one another, with Bond having his gun, gadgets and the help of MI6? Bond any day. Bourne is good at blending in and everything but Bond just has a much more diverse skillset and much better gear (he could just live out of his bulletproof Aston Martin until he got the chance to blow Bourne up with a rocket). And if the CIA can track Bourne I'm sure MI6 can. The difference is Bond would be much better equipped than any Treadstone guys. So in that scenario Bond wins imo.
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    They're both two old timers compared to the new kid on the block.
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    Although I'd go for Bond

    That'd be an interesting one to do next actually since the Kingsman seem even more resourceful than MI6.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Bond, always. No substitutes or wannabe's.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited September 2017 Posts: 12,837
    Murdock wrote: »
    Bond, always. No substitutes or wannabe's.

    I want to agree but I think Rocky Balboa could beat Bond. All he'd need is a particularly long training montage where he learns all the super spy stuff. Bond couldn't end the cold war after decades of fighting the Russians, Rocky did it in one film. I'm talking prime pre brain damage post learning not to underestimate anyone Rocky (in between III and IV) rather than one of the realistic ones. Now you might think that Rocky wouldn't stand a chance against a trained special forces guy like Bond, but who would be the underdog in that scenario? Rocky. And who has made a career off being the underdog? Rocky. Rocky can beat anyone.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Rocky can t beat Judge Dredd
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  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    I love Judge Dredd but Rocky would take him. First a training montage inside one of the city blocks where he can learn to cope with what Dredd does. Then, a well timed shout of "DRAGOOO" into Dredd's voice controlled gun, which would of course break it completely. Finally they would fight and while Rocky would seem down and out, he would of course power through and come back, stopping Dredd in the end. Followed by a passionate speech at the end which ends all block wars and other crime in mega city one.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited September 2017 Posts: 45,489
    Rocky would take out Stallone Dredd, but not Urban Dredd.

    UDGMENT IS COMIN
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    I think it depends. Straight up fight, like they're both in a ring or cage or something and told to kill eachother? Bourne was trained to be a living weapon so probably him. It'd be a close fight and I'm tempted to say Bond but without any gadgets or opportunity to rely on his wits I think Bourne would take it. But say even playing field, they're both in a city and have to kill one another, with Bond having his gun, gadgets and the help of MI6? Bond any day. Bourne is good at blending in and everything but Bond just has a much more diverse skillset and much better gear (he could just live out of his bulletproof Aston Martin until he got the chance to blow Bourne up with a rocket). And if the CIA can track Bourne I'm sure MI6 can. The difference is Bond would be much better equipped than any Treadstone guys. So in that scenario Bond wins imo.
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    They're both two old timers compared to the new kid on the block.
    kingsman3.jpg

    Although I'd go for Bond

    That'd be an interesting one to do next actually since the Kingsman seem even more resourceful than MI6.
    Fully agree @thelivingroyale . Bourne in a straight up fight and Bond if the gadgets and MI6 were involved. Bourne has no vices. He is a straight up killing weapon. It's all he knows how to do.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Bond would shoot Bourne in the head before he even had time to react.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    And steal his girlfriend.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited September 2017 Posts: 12,837
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Bond would shoot Bourne in the head before he even had time to react.

    Bourne's whole gimmick is that he's insanely alert and impossibley quick though?

    I don't think this thread is going to be very fun if we just put "Bond wins because he's the best" to every question. We all obviously prefer Bond. But I think it's more fun to imagine what'd actually happen in different scenarios (so Bourne wins in a fist fight, Bond wins if he has all his gear and resources, that kind of thing).
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    And steal his girlfriend.

    To be fair I do think that's a major advantage. Depending on when it takes place I could easily see Bond sleeping with Nikki (is that her name? His mate) to find out where Bourne is and what his plan is and ending up with the upper hand.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    I put my vote in for Bourne. While I like the character of Bond more, I think realistically Bourne would win in a fight. I think the guy can take more damage and he's faster and maybe even a bit smarter. His training was brutal and he was practically brainwashed into being a killing machine. Sure Bond has MI6 and his gadgets but Bourne can make anything a weapon (a pen, magazine, towel, book, ect).

    If I counted right, so far the score is...

    Bond: 4
    Bourne: 3
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    James Bond. No question about it.

    Pardon? Where in his movies does Bond only evoke the feeling that he's only a 10th of trained and planning as Bourne? Especially not the Craig ones. He will go down in history as the least witty of the lot. I know he has got two or three moments of smartness in his movies but most of the time he acts like a complete bully on steroids.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Bond has come up against worse people than Bourne lots of times. I don t think Bourne ever came up against someone like Bond, but I could be wrong. The Bourne films left little impression on me. Totally forgettable.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Bond has come up against worse people than Bourne lots of times. I don t think Bourne ever came up against someone like Bond, but I could be wrong. The Bourne films left little impression on me. Totally forgettable.
    But this isn't about the characters or the franchises though. Bond wins every time in that respect. Bottom line is Bourne is a trained focused killing machine. It's what he does. Bond is a far more complex character with varied interests. As I said on another thread, Bourne has yet to be even knocked out. Bond certainly has.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    @Thunderfinger It's okay if the Bourne films didn't do a thing for you or anyone else but it still doesn't change Bourne's skill sets.
    @bondjames exactly! In almost every Bond movie, in some capacity, Bond gets kidnapped by the bad guys and/or knocked out. As far as I can recall, Bourne hasn't had that happen to him in his outings. In fact he's almost always a step ahead of his enemies and he does that without a team to help him. There's always an assassin, with the same training as Bourne, that's chasing him and that assassin has more resources than Bourne. And yet, he beats them every time.
    Bond, who's training isn't as extensive as Bourne's, has a team of people helping him and gadgets to use. Where as Bourne is trained to operate on his own. I still say Bourne takes this one.

    It looks like we now have a tie...

    Bond: 4
    Bourne: 4
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    To be fair Bourne has been knocked out, at the very beginning of Identity and at the end of Ultimatum (at least I think he was knocked out before he wakes up and swims away). And in the last film he seemed to be out when he first fell from the roof in London, he'd just come to and got away before they got down to him. I can't ever remember him being captured though. There was the airport security bit in Supremacy but that was intentional.

    I think it's all down to context. Bond has a much more diverse skillset and better equipment so if he was sent to kill Bourne he could do quite easily. But in a straight up fist fight I think Bourne would win. Bond has been outclassed in fights many times before but usually gets through by relying on his wits or a gadget. With no gadgets I'm not sure that'd work because Bourne is equally resourceful and quick thinking if not more so. And while Bond is highly trained, Bourne is basically superhuman. He's been trained and conditioned solely for the purpose of being really really good at killing people.

    So for me it just comes down to Bourne winning in a straightforward fight but Bond winning if it was anything goes, use what you want, find and kill eachother.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Bourne would crucify any incarnation of Bond. It's not even close.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    With that Bourne is in the lead...

    Bond: 4
    Bourne: 5
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Bond would win. He always does.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    edited September 2017 Posts: 1,812
    Then by that standard Bourne would win too because he always does.

    And we're back to a tie...

    Bond: 5
    Bourne: 5
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    QsAssistant wrote: »
    Then by that standard Bourne would win too because he always does.

    Except for that one he wasn't in.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    edited September 2017 Posts: 1,812
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    QsAssistant wrote: »
    Then by that standard Bourne would win too because he always does.

    Except for that one he wasn't in.

    touche
  • LegionnaireLegionnaire
    edited September 2017 Posts: 142
    Bourne is a complete failure and psychopath. First he fails in his mission and runs away. The agency lists him as missing in action until he resurfaces claiming he lost his memory and accesses agency hidden resources. The agency then declares him rogue and deviant, possible working for the opposition and sends people to eliminate him. He kidnaps an innocent bystander and kills all of the agency assets. The kidnap victim suffers from Oslo syndrome (delusional people under siege) as opposed to the Stockholm syndrome, and goes into hiding with the now wanted man. She is killed and he then uses his knowledge to assassinate more agency personnel blaming them for his psychopathic behavior. The agency decides to end the Bourne program only to find that another one of the Bourne trainees has also gone rogue running off with a scientist. A sympathetic female tries to convince the agency that the original Bourne can be saved (she secretly has fallen in love with Bourne) and when her superior refuses she shoots him in order to get his job.
    Bond remains faithful to the cause of eliminating megalomaniac dictators who want to rule the world, while Jason Bourne hides in the dark alleys waiting for government officials to walk by so he can pounce.
    Bourne is the lonewolf, while Bond is the wolfdog protecting the sheep. Bond wins, dropping Bourne from the top floor of a building after a close quarter defense fight where using a standard Judo throw he hurdles Bourne through a plate glass window.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    edited September 2017 Posts: 1,812
    Bourne a psychopath? I have to disagree there. He failed in his mission because he didn't want that life anymore and backed off. He also never kidnaps her. Nor does she act like she has been. At least from what I remember. It's been awhile since I watched The Bourne Identity.

    Bond: 6
    Bourne: 5
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    Bond.

    He is afterall a cold bloodied killer with a Licence to Kill.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Interesting failure is brought up. Bond has failed on numerous occassions. SF alone is a film dedicated to Bond as a failure.
  • vzokvzok
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    Bond would finish Bourne off while he was still trying to remember who he was.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Bond,only Bond...
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