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Where's the danger, where's the excitement, where's the thrill?
The opening chase of SF is the proper way to combine the playful tone and the risk of the situation.
I don't know how the same team could get it so wrong a second time.
The Hinx fight is probably the only time I felt the real threat, but it was such a derivative scene.
Man calm down and eat your veggies.
It is a good moment.
Bond is beaten and he knows it,so its pure desperation as he retreats.
Lets see I've tried firing my gun. Throwing a candle, jump up on a bar and kick.
Veggies!!! That ought to do the trick.
The only veggie was Bond himself,the state he was in !!
Both bottom dwellers. I would say the first half of DAD is better than anything in SP, but the second half is worse. Tough call. Both had equally crap Bond girls. In terms of Villainy, I would give the nod to Moon/Graves despite his character arc being completely preposterous. Purely because Toby Stephens chews scenery with abandon. And despite being Bonds arch nemesis, Waltz is just, well, there.
Action wise, I would probably give it to SP. The set pieces, are pretty bland, but at least they don't approach the nonsense of the tidal wave surfing stuff.
Both have torture scenes, of course, but incredibly, DAD actually handles it more realistically than SP.
It's a tough call, they are both near the bottom of most people's lists, and for good reason.
Come on @Roadphill get off the fence,which one is better ? ;)
As for the comparison of the car chase in SP and the chase in DAD, the one in DAD wins it hands down because it is bloody fun, while the SP chase costed 20 million and is the worst and most boring car-chase ever put down on film. It is an insult and shows you the level of skill lacking in most action scenes in SP. It certainly would have Broccoli cartwheeling in his grave as he always put his budget on the screen which you can hardly accuse SP of doing.
While DAd is just stupid fun the most SP can offer is stupid script, stupid action-scenes (The opening while Roger Moore worthy does look so fake with the lenses used I always thought it was pure CGI), a poor Blofeld and a 007 who once again is a terminator who can survive impossible torture and simply cannot die (not sure why Mendes chose for this in both movies). Somebody should have halted the filming of SP, remove the director and hire a new writing staff and director Martin Campbell.
Brilliant post @SaintMark , I agree with all of that,especially the car chases ,I love the ice lake chase and Arnold’s score is excellent!
DAD knows what it is,a MR or a YOLT,wheras SP is riding on SF success,right down to the score.
DAD is FUN !!!!
SP insults the audience , an arrogant ,lazy and presumptuous film.
That being said, the car chases in CR and especially QOS are no better at all either. CR's is designed to show they could produce a sevenfold somersault of the poor AM after about two minutes of driving somehow, and QOS is a complete waste, just like that Bourne something-ity in the Moscow (actually Berlin) tunnel, due to that moronic editing. I want my Bullitt-type car chases back, instead of this nonsense. Provided there is a plot twist that somehow justifies a car chase, which I don't really see in the latest movies.
Now, on to Spectre. The opening of the film is fantastic, and fantastic to look at. The title song is is excellent. Then, back to the story. I think it’s now the third time Craig’s Bond has said “Of course he is!” In Skyfall he used the same phrase twice while talking about Q. By now it’s getting tiresome. And what’s surprising is the unwelcome return to goofy humor. The stupid “I am Mickey Mouse!” line. The stupid airbag moment. The stupid rat scene. Anyway, the plot is quite good, and I really like the Denbigh character. Christoph Waltz is the easily the best Blofeld since Donald Pleasence, it’s a shame they had to invent this distracting, lame backstory in which Blofeld became Blofeld because he was jealous of Bond when the two were growing up. Another annoying moment is when Bond has to choose between continuing to be an assassin or giving it up to be with Dr. Swann. They place Mallory on one side of the bridge and Swann on the other. Couldn’t they have found a more subtle way to convey Bond’s dilemma?
In the end, however, Spectre is obviously a much better film than Die Another Day.
Wouldn't that make DAD the more enjoyable film then?
I think that over time Spectre will grow somewhat in appreciation. Much like LTK and to a lesser extent QOS. Whereas DAD has aged like the half empty carton of milk that you completely forgot was in the back of your fridge.
I havent been on this site regularly in some time. Can somebody tell me what the initial reactions to Spectre were like on this site? Thanks so much.
From what I remember, SP was pretty well received for the most part. It even won a poll between it and SF.
All said, I still 'love' SP though, like with any other entry. On the plus side, there are some awesome moments, from Bond's rooftop walk and unfolding the Glock carbine (perhaps making up for TND's PTS where they planned to have Bond unfold his Armalite rifle), to most of the scenes in Rome; Bond's banter with Q are highlights, as they were in SF. I love Bond's smirk and exit when he says, "I'll send you a postcard". As I've mentioned in other threads, the lair has some Ken Adam influence here and there. I think I'm in the minority who enjoys the third act in London, and shooting down Ernst's chopper with the PPK's last bullet.
Probably a fair assessment, but i still think most havd DAD at the very bottom. There have been a few attempts by posters to try and defend DAD but it remains the worst for most it seems, myself very much included.
Definitely old chap !! meh....
Same here ...great fun !
It's a conundrum for me. For example CR is my #2 and MR is my #4. I enjoy CR much more than MR but MR is big dumb fun.