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  • LudovicoLudovico
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    @GoldenGun I like Halloween 4 as well. The mask looks bad (but is even worse in the next films), but Donald Pleasance still brings his A game. In fact, I think he is at his best in 4.

    And I love The Satanic Rites of Dracula. I will come straight out and say that 'Satanic Rites...' is my favourite of the Hammer Horror Draculas.

    What I love about Satanic Rites is that at least Dracula has a grand scheme, he's not there just to kill a few people.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 2022 Posts: 3,147
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I have most certainly seen 'The Dreamers', and I needed a cold shower afterwards!!!!
    Yeah, after I saw it for the first time I think she took part of my soul, man... :x :))
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,105
    Thanks for the feedback fella’s.

    Always nice to know one is not alone liking or disliking something different to popular opinion :)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,016
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Thanks for the feedback fella’s.

    Always nice to know one is not alone liking or disliking something different to popular opinion :)

    You'll never walk alone...
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    Aaron Eckart is one of the best parts of The Dark Knight
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    *Everything is the best part of The Dark Knight.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Lol fair enough, but is that controversial?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Give me "Batman Begins" over "The Dark Knight" anytime.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2022 Posts: 24,157
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Give me "Batman Begins" over "The Dark Knight" anytime.

    I have a soft spot for BB. I'm still somewhat "upset" that the film didn't make more money. I'm, in fact, surprised that the WB execs of all people, notoriously fickle, wanted a sequel at all, seeing how antagonizing a force they can be in any attempt to deliver quality DC product. It is my "Casino Royale" in the Batman series, an awesome film that, despite critical praise, failed to convince the same number of people at the time of its release as one of its follow-up films.

    But that's where the CR/SF comparison breaks down for me. While I think the SF is only half the film CR is (but making twice as much money), TDK is at least as good as BB in my book. I'm always willing to root for the underdog, but there's no denying that TDK is an awesome film. The writing of the film is just perfect; we're treated to over two hours of relentless cat-and-mouse games between order and chaos. The Nolans have explored human behaviour like few films ever have. The acting, action, cinematography and music are top-notch. The only criticism I can legitimately voice is that by the time we get to Joker's final social experiment, I'm exhausted--but that doesn't mean I want this film to be over, paradoxically. When Gordon gives his closing speech, and Zimmer hits the percussion hard, I want to push the 'replay' button.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    The Dark Knight trilogy pretty much spoiled superhero movies for me. It was too good. I pretty much lost interest in the rest.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,157
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The Dark Knight trilogy pretty much spoiled superhero movies for me. It was too good. I pretty much lost interest in the rest.

    :D Are you giving the trilogy a compliment or damnation, @Ludovico? I'm confused. ;-)
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,101
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The Dark Knight trilogy pretty much spoiled superhero movies for me. It was too good. I pretty much lost interest in the rest.

    :D Are you giving the trilogy a compliment or damnation, @Ludovico? I'm confused. ;-)

    A compliment, but because of it I don't really care about the MCU (albeit I watched a few that I enjoyed), the DCU and whatever other superhero movies around.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,157
    Ludovico wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The Dark Knight trilogy pretty much spoiled superhero movies for me. It was too good. I pretty much lost interest in the rest.

    :D Are you giving the trilogy a compliment or damnation, @Ludovico? I'm confused. ;-)

    A compliment, but because of it I don't really care about the MCU (albeit I watched a few that I enjoyed), the DCU and whatever other superhero movies around.

    I agree that Nolan's films made me more critical of the MCU until I found a way to look at both differently. The DCU, however, has hooked me as a fan.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Give me "Batman Begins" over "The Dark Knight" anytime.

    I like this opinion. Always like to see love for BB and TDKR (which I really liked) as they seem to be in the shadow of TDK generally.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    Posts: 1,711
    They're all great, and I especially love TDKR, but BB is really something special. I don't think I've seen a superhero flick nail its origin story and still have time for a decent villain caper the way that movie does it.

    Maybe The Rocketeer...
  • cooperman2cooperman2 Uk
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    The problem with TDK for me is that there's too much going on. The story of Batman versus Joker would have made a great film. The story of Harvey Dent becoming Two Face would have been a great film. Unfortunately they tried to shoehorn both stories into one over stuffed movie. And while all the attention was on Health Ledger's admittedly brilliant turn as The Joker, Arron Eckhart's equally great performance as Dent/Two Face was somewhat overlooked
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    cooperman2 wrote: »
    The problem with TDK for me is that there's too much going on. The story of Batman versus Joker would have made a great film. The story of Harvey Dent becoming Two Face would have been a great film. Unfortunately they tried to shoehorn both stories into one over stuffed movie. And while all the attention was on Health Ledger's admittedly brilliant turn as The Joker, Arron Eckhart's equally great performance as Dent/Two Face was somewhat overlooked

    I agree that Eckhart's brilliant performance as Dent / Two Face was overlooked (and it's absolutely insane that they killed him right away), but I do think the stories of TDK weave into eachother really well. Personally I didn't feel like there was too much going on, it all played into itself well I thought.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited November 2022 Posts: 8,205
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    The problem with TDK for me is that there's too much going on. The story of Batman versus Joker would have made a great film. The story of Harvey Dent becoming Two Face would have been a great film. Unfortunately they tried to shoehorn both stories into one over stuffed movie. And while all the attention was on Health Ledger's admittedly brilliant turn as The Joker, Arron Eckhart's equally great performance as Dent/Two Face was somewhat overlooked

    I'd argue that if Ledger hadn't unfortunately passed on, Eckhart would have received more attention. It's a case of real-world events influencing perception of a film rather than the film itself. Dent gets a massive chunk of development throughout the entire story and is really the heart of the movie when it comes down to it. This is not to take away from Ledger's great work, of course; it's an incredible performance. I'm merely saying that the film is perfectly balanced while the general perception swings one way due to his death.

    I would still watch BB ahead of it though. I always felt TDK was probably the better film, while BB is the better Batman film.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,599
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    The problem with TDK for me is that there's too much going on. The story of Batman versus Joker would have made a great film. The story of Harvey Dent becoming Two Face would have been a great film. Unfortunately they tried to shoehorn both stories into one over stuffed movie. And while all the attention was on Health Ledger's admittedly brilliant turn as The Joker, Arron Eckhart's equally great performance as Dent/Two Face was somewhat overlooked

    I'd argue that if Ledger hadn't unfortunately passed on, Eckhart would have received more attention. It's a case of real-world events influencing perception of a film rather than the film itself. Dent gets a massive chunk of development throughout the entire story and is really the heart of the movie when it comes down to it. This is not to take away from Ledger's great work, of course; it's an incredible performance. I'm merely saying that the film is perfectly balanced while the general perception swings one way due to his death.

    I would still watch BB ahead of it though. I always felt TDK was probably the better film, while BB is the better Batman film.

    I’m glad that TDK trilogy played out the way it did. The only two things I’d change: put MG as Rachel in BB and call BB The Dark Knight and TDK Part 2. Also, I still enjoy Batman 89. As a stand-alone story. Carl Grissom is one of my favorite characters. He shouldn’t be added to the comic books.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Batman 89 rules, undoubtedly. Maggie as Rachel from the start would have been great. I can see what you mean by the names; maybe The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, The Dark Knight Returns would have been better?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 7,546
    Or maybe,
    The Dark Knight Rises
    The Dark Knight Falls
    The Dark Knight Returns

    The Dark Knight: Rise
    The Dark Knight: Fall
    The Dark Knight: Redemption
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,157
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Or maybe,
    The Dark Knight Rises
    The Dark Knight Falls
    The Dark Knight Returns

    The Dark Knight: Rise
    The Dark Knight: Fall
    The Dark Knight: Redemption

    The Dark Knight Returns... if only they made a live-action adaptation of that one!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,599
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Or maybe,
    The Dark Knight Rises
    The Dark Knight Falls
    The Dark Knight Returns

    The Dark Knight: Rise
    The Dark Knight: Fall
    The Dark Knight: Redemption

    The Dark Knight Returns... if only they made a live-action adaptation of that one!

    Yes @DarthDimi, if only they had! Also @NickTwentyTwo, great names!
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,016
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Batman 89 rules, undoubtedly.
    I'm also with you on that. Im even tempted to say that I enjoyed the two Tim Burton Batmans more than those that Nolan made.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Or maybe,
    The Dark Knight Rises
    The Dark Knight Falls
    The Dark Knight Returns

    The Dark Knight: Rise
    The Dark Knight: Fall
    The Dark Knight: Redemption

    The Dark Knight Returns... if only they made a live-action adaptation of that one!

    Truly… what could have been.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,599
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Batman 89 rules, undoubtedly.
    I'm also with you on that. Im even tempted to say that I enjoyed the two Tim Burton Batmans more than those that Nolan made.

    It’s hard for me to get into Batman Returns at times. It is WAY too Tim Burton for it’s own good.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,016
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Batman 89 rules, undoubtedly.
    I'm also with you on that. Im even tempted to say that I enjoyed the two Tim Burton Batmans more than those that Nolan made.
    It’s hard for me to get into Batman Returns at times. It is WAY too Tim Burton for it’s own good.
    In spite of my appreciation of Batman Begins and, yes, TDK, I find that most of Christopher Nolan's films are way too Christopher Nolan for my taste. Oh yes, I like Memento, but that's probably a separate subject. And he irritated me with Inception and lost me completely with Interstellar, which I consider mere pretentious nonsense in spite of its visual qualities. I stopped watching Nolan movies after that so far, though I think I actually have a copy of Dunkirk I haven't tried yet.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 7,546
    Nolan certainly has an extremely "Nolan" style.. don't really know how else to put it... and I think you either buy into it or you don't. I do buy into it, personally, and Interstellar is one of my favourite films of all time. :))

    But of course, it's very easy to appreciate that his films aren't for everyone. And they all definitely do have an extremely similar design language... again, don't really know how to put it.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,148
    Controversial opinoon:
    TDK is my least favorite of the Nolan trilogy. It's still good, but I'm never in the mood for it and it just doesn't stick with me after viewing.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,157
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Batman 89 rules, undoubtedly.
    I'm also with you on that. Im even tempted to say that I enjoyed the two Tim Burton Batmans more than those that Nolan made.

    It’s hard for me to get into Batman Returns at times. It is WAY too Tim Burton for it’s own good.

    Agreed. I actively struggle with that film. I want to like it, and bits and pieces of it are absolutely positively awesome, but it's too "oblique" for its own good, too "Caligari", too "Burton". It's a carnavalesque, surreal experience that punishes the Batman fan in me. For all its craziness, Batman Forever is a more even and, dare I say, more "Batman-y" film than Returns. That is my opinion now. It used to be different. 😉
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