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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    I doubt celebrity endorsement have much influence one way or another in any case. They're pretty much preaching to the converts. The last actor who truly was influential in a US election was Ronald Reagan... because he was running for president!

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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited November 2024 Posts: 9,121
    I suppose everyone has had a chance to realize my own position on present political events, but can we please get this thread back to "controversial opinions about other movies", rather than bashing (or commending) actors for their political activities, in one direction or another?
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    I hate "Forrest Gump" and "Love Actually"
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    edited November 2024 Posts: 12,568
    Seve wrote: »
    I hate "Forrest Gump" and "Love Actually"

    I honestly don’t think hating Forrest Gump is unpopular or controversial anymore. I have seen a LOT of backlash against it in the past few years, and know at least as many haters as fans.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,121
    Yes, I think that Forrest Gump, in spite of its technical prowess, is a relatively awful movie, overly sentimental, somewhat nationalistic and also sort of demeaning towards persons with deficiencies. I appreciate Tom Hanks as an actor (although he is always...Tom Hanks), but this one and also The Green Mile (don't get me started on that one) aren't among his greatest achievements.

    I haven't yet watched Love Actually although I just checked my DVD Profiler database and I bought the DVD in...2005. Yes, 2005. Well, I remain open to watching it at some time in the future before the polycarbonate of the disc has started to deteriorate.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Seve wrote: »
    I hate "Forrest Gump" and "Love Actually"

    I hate Forrest Gump too. Love Actually I cannot hate it: I haven't been able to sit through it, I was so bored after five minutes.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited November 2024 Posts: 4,465
    The problem with Love Actually is that there are so many different storylines (9 different ones if I recall correctly) compacted into its runtime that some of them are going to be weaker than others. To be honest even the more famous ones (I'm thinking of the Keira Knightley sections) feel a bit underbaked. The 9/11 reference in Grant's opening speech is a bit odd whenever I inevitably catch this film at Christmas (bit of an odd thing to read for those who haven't seen the film, but oh well). I can't hate it either though, but it's really not one of my go to Christmas films.

    Same with Forrest Gump, but I completely understand the criticisms it gets. I've heard good things about the book and how different it is however.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Love Actually is a disturbingly misogynistic film and treats women as objects, either unattainable objects of beauty or just plain sex objects. It's a creepy old film, along with a lot of Curtis' stuff. Not quite as egregious as his About Time film, which has a sequence where his charming time travelling hero uses his talent to get a woman into bed, basically date raping her.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I only saw LOVE ACTUALLY one time. Didn’t have strong feelings for it.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    007HallY wrote: »
    The problem with Love Actually is that there are so many different storylines (9 different ones if I recall correctly) compacted into its runtime that some of them are going to be weaker than others...

    Same with Forrest Gump, but I completely understand the criticisms it gets. I've heard good things about the book and how different it is however.

    Yes, exactly, this is also my problem with it. The story concepts themselves are fine, but too many of them are underdeveloped, so they exploit the audiences love of familiar pop songs to stimulate an emtional resonance that the script itself has not earned.

    And yes I have the same problem with "Forrest Gump" shallow story telling propped up by classic pop music
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Seve wrote: »
    I hate "Forrest Gump" and "Love Actually"

    I'm with you there, @Seve

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    007HallY wrote: »
    The problem with Love Actually is that there are so many different storylines (9 different ones if I recall correctly) compacted into its runtime that some of them are going to be weaker than others. To be honest even the more famous ones (I'm thinking of the Keira Knightley sections) feel a bit underbaked. The 9/11 reference in Grant's opening speech is a bit odd whenever I inevitably catch this film at Christmas (bit of an odd thing to read for those who haven't seen the film, but oh well). I can't hate it either though, but it's really not one of my go to Christmas films.

    Same with Forrest Gump, but I completely understand the criticisms it gets. I've heard good things about the book and how different it is however.

    I heard the book was wildly different @007HallY Apparently Forrest and Jenny travel into space with a demented Orangutan...!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,760
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    The problem with Love Actually is that there are so many different storylines (9 different ones if I recall correctly) compacted into its runtime that some of them are going to be weaker than others. To be honest even the more famous ones (I'm thinking of the Keira Knightley sections) feel a bit underbaked. The 9/11 reference in Grant's opening speech is a bit odd whenever I inevitably catch this film at Christmas (bit of an odd thing to read for those who haven't seen the film, but oh well). I can't hate it either though, but it's really not one of my go to Christmas films.

    Same with Forrest Gump, but I completely understand the criticisms it gets. I've heard good things about the book and how different it is however.

    I heard the book was wildly different @007HallY Apparently Forrest and Jenny travel into space with a demented Orangutan...!

    It wasn't Jenny, it was another female in the story. Which leads into a situation more weird than anything in both the book or movie! I do recommend the book though. The sequel book (Gump & Co.) is a giant middle finger to the filmmakers. Winston Groom wasn't paid what he should have been thanks to Hollywood Accounting. Apparently, Forrest Gump lost money despite the high box office. Just remember, Jenny is as much of a villain as Grandpa Joe is.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    The problem with Love Actually is that there are so many different storylines (9 different ones if I recall correctly) compacted into its runtime that some of them are going to be weaker than others. To be honest even the more famous ones (I'm thinking of the Keira Knightley sections) feel a bit underbaked. The 9/11 reference in Grant's opening speech is a bit odd whenever I inevitably catch this film at Christmas (bit of an odd thing to read for those who haven't seen the film, but oh well). I can't hate it either though, but it's really not one of my go to Christmas films.

    Same with Forrest Gump, but I completely understand the criticisms it gets. I've heard good things about the book and how different it is however.

    I heard the book was wildly different @007HallY Apparently Forrest and Jenny travel into space with a demented Orangutan...!

    It wasn't Jenny, it was another female in the story. Which leads into a situation more weird than anything in both the book or movie! I do recommend the book though. The sequel book (Gump & Co.) is a giant middle finger to the filmmakers. Winston Groom wasn't paid what he should have been thanks to Hollywood Accounting. Apparently, Forrest Gump lost money despite the high box office. Just remember, Jenny is as much of a villain as Grandpa Joe is.

    Thanks @MaxCasino could well be worth a read..

    This guy does an interesting comparison

  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I think I said it before, but I really don't like Dead Poet Society.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/02/-em-dead-poets-society-em-is-a-terrible-defense-of-the-humanities/283853/

    https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/dead-poets-society-1989
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I've seen DPS once and honestly don't care much for the film. I was promised a film that would "touch" me and show this teacher how teaching is "really done", but neither happened. Oh, captain my captain? Yeah, I'll pass on that.

    If people want to watch a good film about teaching, they should watch Detached with Adrian Brody instead.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    If I really wanted to punish myself, I'd watch a double feature of The Deer Hunter & Steel Magnolias.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    The extended versions of LOTR are worse than the theatricals. Some of the new scenes add context, but the majority either disrupt the pacing or mess with the tone due to the added humor.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    The extended versions of LOTR are worse than the theatricals. Some of the new scenes add context, but the majority either disrupt the pacing or mess with the tone due to the added humor.

    You have to REALLY love those films the way I love Superman: The Movie.... the extended ABC cut of Superman destroys the pacing, but I mind not at all. Same for the LOTR films for super fans of that....
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,330
    I think I said it before, but I really don't like Dead Poet Society.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/02/-em-dead-poets-society-em-is-a-terrible-defense-of-the-humanities/283853/

    https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/dead-poets-society-1989
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I've seen DPS once and honestly don't care much for the film. I was promised a film that would "touch" me and show this teacher how teaching is "really done", but neither happened. Oh, captain my captain? Yeah, I'll pass on that.

    If people want to watch a good film about teaching, they should watch Detached with Adrian Brody instead.

    DPS is manufactured sentimentality. It's soppy and so manipulative.
    I'll watch Detached when I can find it. Whatever happened to Adrian Brody, by the way?
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    Isn't all film emotion and sentiment manufactured?

    In the hands of another actor, DPS might have worked better. I liked Robin Williams, but rarely his films, with the exception of Mrs. Doubtfire. Even then, when he's not Mrs. D. he doesn't play the emotion well. He seems to have to work at the emotion that somehow never feels convincing to me.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    The extended versions of LOTR are worse than the theatricals. Some of the new scenes add context, but the majority either disrupt the pacing or mess with the tone due to the added humor.

    I agree with this. I particularly hate when the fellowship is about to leave on their quest and Frodo asks Gandalf "is Mordor left or right?"

    Completely undercuts the epicness of the moment, and we already know Frodo is out if his depth, we don't need to be reminded of that.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    edited January 11 Posts: 15,330
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Isn't all film emotion and sentiment manufactured?

    In the hands of another actor, DPS might have worked better. I liked Robin Williams, but rarely his films, with the exception of Mrs. Doubtfire. Even then, when he's not Mrs. D. he doesn't play the emotion well. He seems to have to work at the emotion that somehow never feels convincing to me.

    Yes, but there's something disingenuous about DSP. Not sure exactly how to explain, but I really dislike how they hammer the sentimentality.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    The extended versions of LOTR are worse than the theatricals. Some of the new scenes add context, but the majority either disrupt the pacing or mess with the tone due to the added humor.

    I agree with this. I particularly hate when the fellowship is about to leave on their quest and Frodo asks Gandalf "is Mordor left or right?"

    Completely undercuts the epicness of the moment, and we already know Frodo is out if his depth, we don't need to be reminded of that.

    Personally I prefer the extended versions. I like the extra context and some of the added humour. And I just love to spend more time in this world with these characters. Especially since my favourite character has always been Boromir and he gets much more context in the extended versions.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Isn't all film emotion and sentiment manufactured?

    In the hands of another actor, DPS might have worked better. I liked Robin Williams, but rarely his films, with the exception of Mrs. Doubtfire. Even then, when he's not Mrs. D. he doesn't play the emotion well. He seems to have to work at the emotion that somehow never feels convincing to me.

    I'd say that he portrayed emotion well as the Genie in Aladdin. To think, he improvised 16 hours of material for the first movie alone! Keeping with controversial movie opinions, I think Aladdin would still have been a success without Robin. There is a lot of greatness going for it, without him or the Genie. While I love the movie we got, (partially thanks to Robin's performance, which should have been Oscar-nominated), Disney had a true creative power with their movies at that time (The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and The Lion King) as prime examples with Aladdin.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited January 11 Posts: 24,368
    I like Robin Williams overall, especially in his non-comedic roles (although Mrs. Doubtfire is a nostalgic favourite.) The problem I have with DPS is that Weir, whose work I generally appreciate, and the rest of the team didn't create the sort of drama that clicks with me. A teacher myself, I'm probably also a little more difficult to please by school movies, especially when they try to hit emotional notes in hard Hollywood style. School can be emotional, poetic even, but my experiences are different from what DPS shows. Not that any of that matters -- films don't have to be grounded in reality -- but it may explain why I can't get into DPS.

    Ah well, I may as well admit that I don't like The Breakfast Club all that much either. It's not a bad film as such, but the almost religious worshipping some are willing to give it, is a tough one for me.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    With the exception of The Departed. I am not a fan of any other Martin Scorsese film.
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    edited January 11 Posts: 2,089
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I like Robin Williams overall, especially in his non-comedic roles (although Mrs. Doubtfire is a nostalgic favourite.) The problem I have with DPS is that Weir, whose work I generally appreciate, and the rest of the team didn't create the sort of drama that clicks with me. A teacher myself, I'm probably also a little more difficult to please by school movies, especially when they try to hit emotional notes in hard Hollywood style. School can be emotional, poetic even, but my experiences are different from what DPS shows. Not that any of that matters -- films don't have to be grounded in reality -- but it may explain why I can't get into DPS.

    Ah well, I may as well admit that I don't like The Breakfast Club all that much either. It's not a bad film as such, but the almost religious worshipping some are willing to give it, is a tough one for me.

    I too am a teacher. I am in my second year of returning to the classroom after retiring ten years earlier. It has been a good experience, but I'll probably get back to retirement once the school year ends in May. I do like The Breakfast Club, but like all school films I've seen, very little is grounded in reality. If they were, they'd no doubt be quite boring.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    edited January 11 Posts: 7,678
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    With the exception of The Departed. I am not a fan of any other Martin Scorsese film.

    I would declare that I'm not a fan of ANY Scorsese film!
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    The DPS slander disgusts me!
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