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    I always thought Carver was rather unthreatening, I'm not a big fan of evil businessmen as villains in general, Goldfinger being an exception, however I really find Carver entertaining.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    With the exception of The Departed. I am not a fan of any other Martin Scorsese film.

    I would declare that I'm not a fan of ANY Scorsese film!

    @Mathis1 Mate, that is controversial!

    You mean Taxi Driver and Goodfellas don't float your boat..?!!!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    One Hour Photo, Aladdin, Popeye, Dead Poets Society, Mrs. Doubtfire, Hook, The Fisher King, and Good Will Hunting are my favorites. I do want to see some more, though.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Insomnia..For me probably Robin Williams best performance. Damn he is creepy in that! And holds his own against Al Pacino.

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    chrisisall wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    The extended versions of LOTR are worse than the theatricals. Some of the new scenes add context, but the majority either disrupt the pacing or mess with the tone due to the added humor.

    You have to REALLY love those films the way I love Superman: The Movie.... the extended ABC cut of Superman destroys the pacing, but I mind not at all. Same for the LOTR films for super fans of that....

    I do really love those films and the books, enough to have gone to screenings of the extended editions in theaters, but if I wanted the added lore I'd just re-read Tolkien. Frodo and Sam finding the decapitated statue in Ithilien was a great scene in the book, but I don't think it needed to be in the movie.

    The EE of Fellowship is fine, I like the extra bits with Boromir, but the theatrical version is absolutely perfect, so that's my go-to version. Same with the EE of King; a few good bits but overall not worth the 4-hour runtime, and Saruman's death isn't handled particularly well. The EE of Towers is a disaster, IMO. Most of the movie is a buildup to the Battle of Helm's Deep, and in the TE the pacing is perfect. The EE moves in fits and starts, and I don't think the added humor worked.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    One Hour Photo, Aladdin, Popeye, Dead Poets Society, Mrs. Doubtfire, Hook, The Fisher King, and Good Will Hunting are my favorites. I do want to see some more, though.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Insomnia..For me probably Robin Williams best performance. Damn he is creepy in that! And holds his own against Al Pacino.

    I always thought Robin Williams was more capable as a dramatic actor than a funny one. Yes, yes, the Genie in Aladin, but he truly shines in dramatic roles. Overall I rarely find him funny.
  • edited January 15 Posts: 7,671
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    With the exception of The Departed. I am not a fan of any other Martin Scorsese film.

    I would declare that I'm not a fan of ANY Scorsese film!

    @Mathis1 Mate, that is controversial!

    You mean Taxi Driver and Goodfellas don't float your boat..?!!!

    😅 Sorry mate,But I stand by what I said! He is held in very high esteem, but I just don't enjoy anything g he does. That includes 'Taxi Driver and 'Goodfellas' I have watched quite a few of his films, but it was a case of "seen it, no desire to watch it again!'
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    With the exception of The Departed. I am not a fan of any other Martin Scorsese film.

    I would declare that I'm not a fan of ANY Scorsese film!

    @Mathis1 Mate, that is controversial!

    You mean Taxi Driver and Goodfellas don't float your boat..?!!!

    😅 Sorry mate,But I stand by what I said! He is held in very high esteem, but I just don't enjoy anything g he does. That includes 'Taxi Driver and 'Goodfellas' I have watched quite a few of his films, but it was a case of "seen it, no desire to watch it again!'

    Fair enough! Those two are in my top ten films and i find them hugely re-watchable!
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    To be completely honest, I’m not a fan of Goodfellas either. Really like Taxi Driver but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d say King of Comedy is my favourite Scorsese movie.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    007HallY wrote: »
    To be completely honest, I’m not a fan of Goodfellas either. Really like Taxi Driver but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d say King of Comedy is my favourite Scorsese movie.

    The only Scorsese film i actively dislike is, Cape Fear

    A horrible glorified slasher film. The original with Robert Mitchum and Gregory Peck is far superior.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    To be completely honest, I’m not a fan of Goodfellas either. Really like Taxi Driver but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d say King of Comedy is my favourite Scorsese movie.

    The only Scorsese film i actively dislike is, Cape Fear

    A horrible glorified slasher film. The original with Robert Mitchum and Gregory Peck is far superior.

    At least we agree on that mate! Love the original, and Mitchum was far more scary villain, and he didn't have to be biting lumps out of people to do so!
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I suppose one for me is that I do not care for Nicolas Roeg movies, at least of the ones I’ve tried (Walkabout, Performance, Don’t Look Now). They bore me, unfortunately.

    Not crazy about 'Performance', but I do really like 'Dont Look Now' wonderfully atmospheric thriller, with that knockout ending. Also very fond of 'Walkabout', as it does have Jenny Agutter ❤️ in it, and of course a fabulous score by John Barry!
  • edited January 15 Posts: 7,671
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be completely honest, I’m not a fan of Goodfellas either. Really like Taxi Driver but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d say

    At least we agree on that mate! Love the original, and Mitchum was far more scary villain, and he didn't have to be biting lumps out of people to do so!

    We can blame Spielberg, who persuaded Scorsese to do something more commercial! Horrible film!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    One Hour Photo, Aladdin, Popeye, Dead Poets Society, Mrs. Doubtfire, Hook, The Fisher King, and Good Will Hunting are my favorites. I do want to see some more, though.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Insomnia..For me probably Robin Williams best performance. Damn he is creepy in that! And holds his own against Al Pacino.

    I quite like that one, even though I prefer the 1997 Norwegian original with Stellan Skarsgård.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be completely honest, I’m not a fan of Goodfellas either. Really like Taxi Driver but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d say King of Comedy is my favourite Scorsese movie.

    The only Scorsese film i actively dislike is, Cape Fear

    A horrible glorified slasher film. The original with Robert Mitchum and Gregory Peck is far superior.

    At least we agree on that mate! Love the original, and Mitchum was far more scary villain, and he didn't have to be biting lumps out of people to do so!

    Damn right mate. Mitchum was chilling in the role. As he was in Night of the Hunter
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    007HallY wrote: »
    To be completely honest, I’m not a fan of Goodfellas either. Really like Taxi Driver but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d say King of Comedy is my favourite Scorsese movie.

    The only Scorsese film i actively dislike is, Cape Fear

    A horrible glorified slasher film. The original with Robert Mitchum and Gregory Peck is far superior.

    I actually really like CF to be fair! Definitely not always a comfortable watch in places, but gripping.

    I’m less sold on Shutter Island and even The Aviator (for some reason I don’t find Leonardo DiCaprio to be an engaging lead actor in most things I’ve seen him in. Short of him playing a character so OTT like in Wolf of Wall Street or Django anyway. But that’s just me).
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    I love both versions of Cape Fear, and I would actually choose the newer one if I could only have one of them. I love a lot of Scorsese's work, which of course is not a controversial opinion, though one of his more popular films I did not love was The Wolf of Wall Street.
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be completely honest, I’m not a fan of Goodfellas either. Really like Taxi Driver but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d say King of Comedy is my favourite Scorsese movie.

    The only Scorsese film i actively dislike is, Cape Fear

    A horrible glorified slasher film. The original with Robert Mitchum and Gregory Peck is far superior.

    At least we agree on that mate! Love the original, and Mitchum was far more scary villain, and he didn't have to be biting lumps out of people to do so!

    Damn right mate. Mitchum was chilling in the role. As he was in Night of the Hunter

    Another cracker. Beautifully directed by the great Charles Laughton!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    The extended versions of LOTR are worse than the theatricals. Some of the new scenes add context, but the majority either disrupt the pacing or mess with the tone due to the added humor.

    You have to REALLY love those films the way I love Superman: The Movie.... the extended ABC cut of Superman destroys the pacing, but I mind not at all. Same for the LOTR films for super fans of that....

    I do really love those films and the books, enough to have gone to screenings of the extended editions in theaters, but if I wanted the added lore I'd just re-read Tolkien. Frodo and Sam finding the decapitated statue in Ithilien was a great scene in the book, but I don't think it needed to be in the movie.

    The EE of Fellowship is fine, I like the extra bits with Boromir, but the theatrical version is absolutely perfect, so that's my go-to version. Same with the EE of King; a few good bits but overall not worth the 4-hour runtime, and Saruman's death isn't handled particularly well. The EE of Towers is a disaster, IMO. Most of the movie is a buildup to the Battle of Helm's Deep, and in the TE the pacing is perfect. The EE moves in fits and starts, and I don't think the added humor worked.

    I stand very corrected. One of my friends told me the EEs of LOTR were 'the bomb' (he's a super fan of everything Tolkien). I only own the TEs myself.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Catching up with some of the recent opinions. Forgive me for the long rants and personal opinions.

    For the extended ABC/Salkind Superman cut, @chrisisall Richard Donner hated it. He thought the pacing was slowed down too much. Also, that it was too campy, even by his standards. Apparently, he also wasn't paid royalties for it airing. I'd blame the Salkinds for that. They wanted as much money as possible, so they put a lot of things back into the movie. EXTREMELY GREEDY PEOPLE. All about the money. Not the creativity. Just look at their other movies from the behind the scenes stories with other people. At least Cubby and Harry cared about other things other than money for Bond, despite their flaws. Also, my second favorite Superman movie is honestly MOS. It knows that it wants to be dark. I just think that WB made a big mistake putting Zack Snyder as the head of the DCEU. They should have realized he was too polarizing in his ideas.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    One Hour Photo, Aladdin, Popeye, Dead Poets Society, Mrs. Doubtfire, Hook, The Fisher King, and Good Will Hunting are my favorites. I do want to see some more, though.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Insomnia..For me probably Robin Williams best performance. Damn he is creepy in that! And holds his own against Al Pacino.

    Robin Williams in Insomnia was one of the early examples of Christopher Nolan being able to cast actors against their usual acting type. It is one of his better dramatic performances, without the movie's dramatic messages being shoved in your face (Dead Poet Society and Good Will Hunting being the prime examples of this).
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Controversial- I really like Patch Adams too

    Controversial for critics, maybe not for audiences. Little I saw of it, I hated it.

    Shakespeare In Love is grossly overrated, superficial and undeserving of its Oscar winnings. Nothing Like the Sun by Anthony Burgess is everything SIL failed to be.

    I think most people are realizing that Harvey Weinstein pretty much brought the Oscar for himself that year. Same with Gwyneth Paltrow. Apparently, she stole the script from her "friend" Winona Ryder. When Gwyneth won her Oscar, supposedly, Winona called her and left a message saying "Congratulations on winning your Oscar. Too bad you've lost a friend because of your actions." Maybe that's why Winona shoplifted a few years later. Also, Tom Stoppard did better screenplay work on Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and Star Wars: Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith than SIL. Apparently, the movie sucked until the editing and the reshoots. So, while enjoyable (being a theater nerd myself) SIL proved more than any other time that the Oscars are about who gives the most money or "best campaigning." Also, when Judi Dench won her Oscar, the Bond Producers pushed her version of M WAY TOO MUCH at the forefront of some stories. If she can come back in a reboot, so can other actors who played other parts in James Bond movies.
    007HallY wrote: »
    The Thin Red Line is extremely boring.

    For the life of me, I've never been able to enjoy any of Terrence Malick's films. Even Badlands.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I also struggle with Terrence Malick from the little I’ve seen. Days of Heaven and The Tree of Life were pretty boring for me sadly.

    Days of Heaven is brilliant. The imagery in that film is stunning in addition to recreating images based on famous paintings. Dropping the wine glass in the river is one of my favorite scenes. DOH and Badlands are so similar and so wonderful. I haven't cared for much after those two films.

    The cinematography and imagery were great, but I couldn’t get invested in the characters or the story much. Things only got particularly interesting in the last 25 minutes or so for me. I did want to try Badlands at least eventually, but often times a director’s style just won’t gel with me too well.

    Too call Terrnece Malick a genius is like calling Stanley Kubrick one. There's no reason or excuse to shoot that many takes for people. Malick flat out gets rid of an entire actor's performance. They know cinematography, but starting without a script can really show. Directors should have a better plan than those two do. Malick movies aren't very memorable for me, in general.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The Robin Williams film that didn't really connect with me when releaased was PATCH ADAMS. At the time I felt the emotions were forced and it ddn't moved me whatsoever. That said, who know's? Maybe I'd enjoy it more today?

    Here's a controversial opinion: my favorite Robin Williams movie is POPEYE. Pure nostalgia.

    Another possibly controversial opinion: my favorite STAR WARS movie is STAR WARS (1977). Then JEDI and EMPIRE.
    To date I haven't seen the most recent films.

    I think the best Superman movie is SUPERMAN THE MOVIE, and it's my favorite of the Reeve films and anything that's come after. That's not too controversial..........but this probably is:
    My all time favorite Superman movie is SUPERMAN AND THE MOLE MEN (1951).


    Force Awakens is the only SW sequel worth watching IMO

    Whoa - now that’s a solid controversial opinion! Not even Empire worth it :O

    I liked all 11 SW movies. They all offer a unique viewpoint and visuals. I think ROTS is the OHMSS of all SW movies. Hopefully, Disney/Lucasfilm can truly get some of their movies made. Particularly, Patty Jenkins and Rogue Squadron, and James Mangold Dawn of the Jedi. And I'm happy Rey is getting a few more movies. As long as the writing on her is improved. And keep J.J Abrams away! Those are my controversial opinions on Star Wars. I just hope that The Mandalorian & Grogu doesn't suffer the same fate as Monoa 2: a season of TV jammed into a movie.
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    With the exception of The Departed. I am not a fan of any other Martin Scorsese film.

    I would declare that I'm not a fan of ANY Scorsese film!

    @Mathis1 Mate, that is controversial!

    You mean Taxi Driver and Goodfellas don't float your boat..?!!!

    😅 Sorry mate,But I stand by what I said! He is held in very high esteem, but I just don't enjoy anything g he does. That includes 'Taxi Driver and 'Goodfellas' I have watched quite a few of his films, but it was a case of "seen it, no desire to watch it again!'

    Fair enough! Those two are in my top ten films and i find them hugely re-watchable!
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be completely honest, I’m not a fan of Goodfellas either. Really like Taxi Driver but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d say King of Comedy is my favourite Scorsese movie.

    The only Scorsese film i actively dislike is, Cape Fear

    A horrible glorified slasher film. The original with Robert Mitchum and Gregory Peck is far superior.
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be completely honest, I’m not a fan of Goodfellas either. Really like Taxi Driver but I can see how it’s not for everyone. I’d say King of Comedy is my favourite Scorsese movie.

    The only Scorsese film i actively dislike is, Cape Fear

    A horrible glorified slasher film. The original with Robert Mitchum and Gregory Peck is far superior.

    I actually really like CF to be fair! Definitely not always a comfortable watch in places, but gripping.

    I’m less sold on Shutter Island and even The Aviator (for some reason I don’t find Leonardo DiCaprio to be an engaging lead actor in most things I’ve seen him in. Short of him playing a character so OTT like in Wolf of Wall Street or Django anyway. But that’s just me).
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I love both versions of Cape Fear, and I would actually choose the newer one if I could only have one of them. I love a lot of Scorsese's work, which of course is not a controversial opinion, though one of his more popular films I did not love was The Wolf of Wall Street.

    My controversial takes on Martin Scorsese.

    Taxi Driver for me is possibly the most overrated movie ever made. People on social media and the film industry WAY overpraise it. Nothing happens, really. I feel like anyone could have written a script like that and done better. De Niro has done much better work in other movies NOT by Scorsese. Raging Bull is the one difference to this, as I think De Niro directed that movie as much as Scorsese did. It was a depressing experience at times with that movie.

    Goodfellas is still a top 30 movie for me. It's a rare time that a Scorsese movie has been truly entertaining for me. The only flaws that I have with it is cable TV cutting it up like a dead body from the Mafia and airing nonstop in my country. Namely on TNT and AMC. There are other great classics that don't have to cut up to air you two! The other flaw is Ray Liotta is kind of flat in some of his scenes. Considering who he's acting with, he can't be solely blamed. However, his laughter always feels forced from him. And he didn't put a lot of effort into his narration.

    Cape Fear I liked for what it was. Yes, the original is better. However, the best thing about the remake is The Simpsons episode Cape Feare that spoofs it. One of the best Simpsons episodes ever, and truly rewatchable 30 years later. Also, I'm glad that Scorsese directed it over Spielberg. It's more of a Scorsese movie, and Spielberg directed Schindler's List in return. So, I look at it as a win for everyone, honestly.

    Casino is Scorsese on autopilot. However, it's still a greatly enjoyable movie that doesn't feel like 3 hours. It's kind of an expanded version of Goodfellas in Las Vegas.

    Gangs of New York and Killers of the Flower Moon are too long with a lot of nothing happening. They feel like Scorsese showing off his ego. In the case of KOTFM he has openly admitted it to get people back into theaters. He failed, arguably. You could take a whole hour out of KOTFM and still have the same movie.

    Shutter Island has too much happening. It got a bit hard to follow at certain points. Still, it proved that Scorsese can make movies with both a plot (and a plot twist).

    The King of Comedy, The Color of Money, The Age of Innocence and Hugo are underrated. They prove that Scorsese isn't afraid to try different genres.

    The Departed is also a favorite of mine. Mark Wahlberg actually plays angry all the time very well here. He still can't really act though, in my opinion, apart from being angry and confused. Jack Nicholson has his last truly great role. It's one movie that I wanted to find out what my man-of-few words brother's opinions were. He said he generally liked everything. Another rare actually enjoyable movie (with an actual plot, according to Scorsese) from him.

    The Aviator is great, but not very memorable. My dad thinks Leo should have won the Oscar for Howard Hughes, and I agree with him.

    The Wolf of Wall Street was great, but once again, cable TV overplaying it and people on social media over praising has kind of hurt the movie for me. Still pretty entertaining, for a Scorsese movie.

    I still haven't seen Silence or The Irishman yet. I'd like to, but my schedule is fairly full of many things now, and they are long movies!

    Forgive me for the long rants, but I hope you can enjoy and debate with me!
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I also struggle with Terrence Malick from the little I’ve seen. Days of Heaven and The Tree of Life were pretty boring for me sadly.

    Days of Heaven is brilliant. The imagery in that film is stunning in addition to recreating images based on famous paintings. Dropping the wine glass in the river is one of my favorite scenes. DOH and Badlands are so similar and so wonderful. I haven't cared for much after those two films.

    The cinematography and imagery were great, but I couldn’t get invested in the characters or the story much. Things only got particularly interesting in the last 25 minutes or so for me. I did want to try Badlands at least eventually, but often times a director’s style just won’t gel with me too well.

    The story does keep you at a distance, but it's because the story is told and seen through the eyes of an adolescent. And of course nature doesn't care. Life goes on.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My controversial takes on Martin Scorsese.

    Taxi Driver for me is possibly the most overrated movie ever made. People on social media and the film industry WAY overpraise it. Nothing happens, really. I feel like anyone could have written a script like that and done better. De Niro has done much better work in other movies NOT by Scorsese. Raging Bull is the one difference to this, as I think De Niro directed that movie as much as Scorsese did. It was a depressing experience at times with that movie.

    Taxi Driver may get overpraised, but I find it hard to believe there's nothing happening. For me, it's about a man trapped in a hell on earth in his mind and physically. There are a lot of layers and his finding redemption, becoming what he didn't want to be like to get there and ends up at peace. Or did he? I like that we can interpret the ending in different ways.

    My controversial opinion is Raging Bull is way overpraised. I've just never been able to get into that one despite several viewings and recall being shocked when it was named by a number of critics groups to be the best film of the entire decade of the '80s. It's a really hard watch and there really is no redemption for anyone in the end and nobody really to take sides with. Jake is just a jerk, his brother takes it and keeps coming back for more as does Vickie. I find the legendary critic Pauline Kael to be overrated, but actually agree with her take on Raging Bull.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My controversial takes on Martin Scorsese.

    Taxi Driver for me is possibly the most overrated movie ever made. People on social media and the film industry WAY overpraise it. Nothing happens, really. I feel like anyone could have written a script like that and done better. De Niro has done much better work in other movies NOT by Scorsese. Raging Bull is the one difference to this, as I think De Niro directed that movie as much as Scorsese did. It was a depressing experience at times with that movie.

    Taxi Driver may get overpraised, but I find it hard to believe there's nothing happening. For me, it's about a man trapped in a hell on earth in his mind and physically. There are a lot of layers and his finding redemption, becoming what he didn't want to be like to get there and ends up at peace. Or did he? I like that we can interpret the ending in different ways.

    My controversial opinion is Raging Bull is way overpraised. I've just never been able to get into that one despite several viewings and recall being shocked when it was named by a number of critics groups to be the best film of the entire decade of the '80s. It's a really hard watch and there really is no redemption for anyone in the end and nobody really to take sides with. Jake is just a jerk, his brother takes it and keeps coming back for more as does Vickie. I find the legendary critic Pauline Kael to be overrated, but actually agree with her take on Raging Bull.

    The writing is a mixed bag on Raging Bull. Although, it sounds like a too many cooks in the kitchen deal. Constant onset writes as well. A depressing movie, but worth watching at least once. Taxi Driver just gets so much praise, and the two times I watched it, that overpraise has hurt the movie overall for me.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My controversial takes on Martin Scorsese.

    Taxi Driver for me is possibly the most overrated movie ever made. People on social media and the film industry WAY overpraise it. Nothing happens, really. I feel like anyone could have written a script like that and done better. De Niro has done much better work in other movies NOT by Scorsese. Raging Bull is the one difference to this, as I think De Niro directed that movie as much as Scorsese did. It was a depressing experience at times with that movie.

    Taxi Driver may get overpraised, but I find it hard to believe there's nothing happening. For me, it's about a man trapped in a hell on earth in his mind and physically. There are a lot of layers and his finding redemption, becoming what he didn't want to be like to get there and ends up at peace. Or did he? I like that we can interpret the ending in different ways.

    My controversial opinion is Raging Bull is way overpraised. I've just never been able to get into that one despite several viewings and recall being shocked when it was named by a number of critics groups to be the best film of the entire decade of the '80s. It's a really hard watch and there really is no redemption for anyone in the end and nobody really to take sides with. Jake is just a jerk, his brother takes it and keeps coming back for more as does Vickie. I find the legendary critic Pauline Kael to be overrated, but actually agree with her take on Raging Bull.

    I agree with you on Raging Bull. I cannot see the point of this film. As you say, there's no redemption. All the great acting and photography add up to nothing.

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    Only seen Raging Bull once, although I thought it was wonderfully shot, edited and acted.

    I’m not sure I’d call Taxi Driver overrated either. Again, not for everyone and not an easy watch, but I think there’s a reason why it’s praised so much. I think it’s a very relevant film today (films like Joker obviously got a lot of influence from it in terms of story/filmmaking, and I’d personally say that’s not a film anywhere near as gripping as Taxi Driver).
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    Having just marathoned the films of Terry Gilliam, I can add on here that I find Monty Python and the Holy Grail to be overrated but still good, and The Zero Theorem to be one of Gilliam's best films. I talked more about this on the "Last Movie you Watched" thread, but I know these in particular are fairly unpopular opinions.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Only seen Raging Bull once, although I thought it was wonderfully shot, edited and acted.

    I’m not sure I’d call Taxi Driver overrated either. Again, not for everyone and not an easy watch, but I think there’s a reason why it’s praised so much. I think it’s a very relevant film today (films like Joker obviously got a lot of influence from it in terms of story/filmmaking, and I’d personally say that’s not a film anywhere near as gripping as Taxi Driver).

    I think Taxi Driver is an incredibly powerful portrait of loneliness. Especially in a big city where the character starts to develop dangerous obsessions.

    I love the way the film ends with the media proclaiming Travis a hero, when we know he is actually a severely damaged and potentially dangerous individual.

    One of my favourite films.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Only seen Raging Bull once, although I thought it was wonderfully shot, edited and acted.

    I’m not sure I’d call Taxi Driver overrated either. Again, not for everyone and not an easy watch, but I think there’s a reason why it’s praised so much. I think it’s a very relevant film today (films like Joker obviously got a lot of influence from it in terms of story/filmmaking, and I’d personally say that’s not a film anywhere near as gripping as Taxi Driver).

    I think Taxi Driver is an incredibly powerful portrait of loneliness. Especially in a big city where the character starts to develop dangerous obsessions.

    I love the way the film ends with the media proclaiming Travis a hero, when we know he is actually a severely damaged and potentially dangerous individual.

    One of my favourite films.

    The great thing about the ending is whether we believe it to be 'real' or not (I personally always got the sense it was in his head and he was dying on the floor in the previous scene) there's something to take away. Is there an irony in the media celebrating a severely damaged and dangerous individual, or does it end with Travis in what is effectively Hell? It's a movie I always get so much out of.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Only seen Raging Bull once, although I thought it was wonderfully shot, edited and acted.

    I’m not sure I’d call Taxi Driver overrated either. Again, not for everyone and not an easy watch, but I think there’s a reason why it’s praised so much. I think it’s a very relevant film today (films like Joker obviously got a lot of influence from it in terms of story/filmmaking, and I’d personally say that’s not a film anywhere near as gripping as Taxi Driver).

    I think Taxi Driver is an incredibly powerful portrait of loneliness. Especially in a big city where the character starts to develop dangerous obsessions.

    I love the way the film ends with the media proclaiming Travis a hero, when we know he is actually a severely damaged and potentially dangerous individual.

    One of my favourite films.

    The great thing about the ending is whether we believe it to be 'real' or not (I personally always got the sense it was in his head and he was dying on the floor in the previous scene) there's something to take away. Is there an irony in the media celebrating a severely damaged and dangerous individual, or does it end with Travis in what is effectively Hell? It's a movie I always get so much out of.

    That's an interesting take regarding the ending being in his head. I love that final quick shot as Travis appears to glance at something in his rear view mirror.

    I also always wonder why Iris ran away from her parents in the first place? As she's apparently now 'back at school and studying hard..'

    A film i never get sick of watching.

  • edited January 16 Posts: 4,449
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Only seen Raging Bull once, although I thought it was wonderfully shot, edited and acted.

    I’m not sure I’d call Taxi Driver overrated either. Again, not for everyone and not an easy watch, but I think there’s a reason why it’s praised so much. I think it’s a very relevant film today (films like Joker obviously got a lot of influence from it in terms of story/filmmaking, and I’d personally say that’s not a film anywhere near as gripping as Taxi Driver).

    I think Taxi Driver is an incredibly powerful portrait of loneliness. Especially in a big city where the character starts to develop dangerous obsessions.

    I love the way the film ends with the media proclaiming Travis a hero, when we know he is actually a severely damaged and potentially dangerous individual.

    One of my favourite films.

    The great thing about the ending is whether we believe it to be 'real' or not (I personally always got the sense it was in his head and he was dying on the floor in the previous scene) there's something to take away. Is there an irony in the media celebrating a severely damaged and dangerous individual, or does it end with Travis in what is effectively Hell? It's a movie I always get so much out of.

    That's an interesting take regarding the ending being in his head. I love that final quick shot as Travis appears to glance at something in his rear view mirror.

    I also always wonder why Iris ran away from her parents in the first place? As she's apparently now 'back at school and studying hard..'

    A film i never get sick of watching.

    For me the last scene comes off as so idealised there’s something off about it. Betsy is uncharacteristically interested in Travis, Iris is back at home, and Travis is celebrated as a hero for what is essentially an unhinged massacre. For me it always felt like the very ending with Travis becoming agitated and looking in his mirror etc was a moment of realisation. Could be him realising he’s imagining all this and about to die (the reason why I say it felt like he was in Hell was because of all the red lights washing over his face in the mirror and the fact that his work as a taxi driver is such a big part of his isolation, to the point it’s unusual he would return to that work after). Or maybe it’s a brief moment of realisation that what he’s done isn’t virtuous, and the fact that he’s celebrated for an awful crime makes him little better than the people he’s killed (or tried to in the case of Palantine). As if he’s become part of the horrible city he’s gone against throughout the film.

    It’s a tremendous film in my opinion. I remember reading they tried for a while to get a sequel made. Not sure that would have worked.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,168
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Only seen Raging Bull once, although I thought it was wonderfully shot, edited and acted.

    I’m not sure I’d call Taxi Driver overrated either. Again, not for everyone and not an easy watch, but I think there’s a reason why it’s praised so much. I think it’s a very relevant film today (films like Joker obviously got a lot of influence from it in terms of story/filmmaking, and I’d personally say that’s not a film anywhere near as gripping as Taxi Driver).

    I think Taxi Driver is an incredibly powerful portrait of loneliness. Especially in a big city where the character starts to develop dangerous obsessions.

    I love the way the film ends with the media proclaiming Travis a hero, when we know he is actually a severely damaged and potentially dangerous individual.

    One of my favourite films.

    The great thing about the ending is whether we believe it to be 'real' or not (I personally always got the sense it was in his head and he was dying on the floor in the previous scene) there's something to take away. Is there an irony in the media celebrating a severely damaged and dangerous individual, or does it end with Travis in what is effectively Hell? It's a movie I always get so much out of.

    That's an interesting take regarding the ending being in his head. I love that final quick shot as Travis appears to glance at something in his rear view mirror.

    I also always wonder why Iris ran away from her parents in the first place? As she's apparently now 'back at school and studying hard..'

    A film i never get sick of watching.

    For me the last scene comes off as so idealised there’s something off about it. Betsy is uncharacteristically interested in Travis, Iris is back at home, and Travis is celebrated as a hero for what is essentially an unhinged massacre. For me it always felt like the very ending with Travis becoming agitated and looking in his mirror etc was a moment of realisation. Could be him realising he’s imagining all this and about to die (the reason why I say it felt like he was in Hell was because of all the red lights washing over his face in the mirror and the fact that his work as a taxi driver is such a big part of his isolation, to the point it’s unusual he would return to that work after). Or maybe it’s a brief moment of realisation that what he’s done isn’t virtuous, and the fact that he’s celebrated for an awful crime makes him little better than the people he’s killed (or tried to in the case of Palantine). As if he’s become part of the horrible city he’s gone against throughout the film.

    It’s a tremendous film in my opinion. I remember reading they tried for a while to get a sequel made. Not sure that would have worked.

    A sequel..? God no, it's perfect as it is. Although it's one of those rare films that are so good, they leave you wanting more..
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