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They didn't flesh out the consequences but the plot itself is pretty good I think. Just overshadowed by the foster brother stuff. Blofeld's been organising terrorist attacks to scare the governments into agreeing to Nine Eyes, which will give Spectre access to all their surveillance pretty much making them unstoppable.
I think to make it better, they should have actually shown some of the attacks. And have Bond stop the first one at the last minute in a really tense scene instead of just blowing up an empty building.
Blofeld should have made the consequences clearer too, he could have had a nice little evil monologue about what they can accomplish with that power.
And the last thing is it should have been harder to stop. I actually like the stuff in the ruined MI6 building but I'm not so keen on Spectre's big evil scheme being stopped by Q typing away at his laptop for a couple of minutes.
Okay, so arrest him....
That'd be a short movie
Exactly, something like that. Show his motivation. It is not just about evil plans, of which there still were non, but it is also about the Motivation of the Villain just to show why this one particular person needs to be stopped/killed.
As for Spectres "evil scheme", yes, they did commit terrorist attacks, but there is no clear idea of why they are doing what they are doing. Money? Power? Fame?
Problem is, if they want to Rule the world or whatever, but you don't establish that they are evil and destructive, i might actually consider voting for them in the next election. I kinda liked the stuff that C was saying about democracy and all, and judging by how most of the Governments in europe and the US are doing at the moment, i would gladly give Spectre a chance if they can sort this mess out. They seemed rather motivated. Killing a couple people as collateral demage (only mentioned, not shown) does not make you instantly evil. Shady and moraly very questionable perhaps (kill a few to save many), but not a threat to world peace yet.
Again, i agree. The stopping part was ridiculous. At the same time we don't even know if Spectre is stopped. Blofeld is in custody (could probably buy himself free if he wants) but can Spectre operate without him? Sure, why not. Should be enough people who can and want to be Nr. 1 (they were doing just fine before he entered the Meeting). And as you said, NineEyes was stopped with a laptop, why should they not be able to give it another go in a couple month/weeks?
It was not even a terrorist attack that needed to be stopped by the end, but just the implementation of a software, thats how lame the endgame was :))
Oh yes how could I forget about that.... :-) Wish they made this for all the Bond films :-)
You pretty much hit the nail with this post: the scheme in SP was fine but it was sidetracked.
That's something I totally ignore.
I consider Silva to be an independent villain,in a stand-alone mission/film.
I'm not a big GE fan, but Trevelyan's scheme is one of the better ones in the series (it's MR, really). The Cossack background and the betrayal--and hence the revenge--is rich in detail and thought-through. I would think that many viewers would say that this is the film's greatest strength.
And of course it helps that Sean Bean delivers the lines.
The way it’s written isn’t that consistant though. I agree it’s a great idea but it doesn’t really get a lot of space within the film beyond the statue park scene.
We needed more scenes of Alec brooding by himself and contemplating his plans.
You and me both.
You can add me as well. Silva still works for me as a self motivated villain because he's mentioned in passing once in SP and his image flashes on Q's computer for just a moment. That's it. Plus Bardem sold his revenge angle so well that it's easy for me to ignore the retro SP rubbish.
You and me both.
Precisely. I still view as SF as Craig's GF. Standalone.
I just wonder whether Trevelyan/his plot was rather under-written. Apparently the script went through quite a lot of re-writes so elements may have been lost in that process.
I don't think a little more exposition would have hurt, but still believe it was ok as it was. Everything hinges on that statue park scene, the backgrounder given by Zukovsky, and the slightly teasing personal dynamic established between him and Bond right from the PTS (and reinforced by the conversation with M). If any of those scenes fell flat it wouldn't have worked as well. After the statue park scene Trevalyn does become rather cartoonesque and cliched, but he is redeemed by the final fisticuffs and poetic death imho.
Once again, very well said.
Good post. I don’t know why there were a lot of re-writes but I do remember it being mentioned in The Essenential Bond several years ago.
Indeed. I have said this, too. There was no reason to play poker; instead, enter the game, and at one of the breaks, you abduct LeChiffre. When he doesn't return to the table, he loses his money and is screwed.
I think Le Chiffre would hope that his own unit of men would come and liberate him before he gives into MI6. Mr. White just might let him live at that point since he didn't talk and thus renewed their mutual trust. Whereas once he's officially lost the poker game, and MI6 have him, he'll definitely need to talk or else he's dead.
So essentially MI6's best option is to slowly let Le Chiffre become as desperate and isolated as possible before bringing him in... Hence the need to finish the poker game and give him nowhere else to run.
Just like MI6 is taken over by a new organization bound on global surveillance, all of the villains he encountered are revealed to be part of one organization all along. This cleverly foreshadows that both is in effect one and the same ;) And to hammer this point home the big bad is Bond's long lost Big Brother ;)
If only they followed through with this so that Hinx only tracked Bond via the 'Smart Blood' and Blofeld only ever posed as Bond's brother to get to him and terminate him via secret MI6 intel on Bond's past...
+1
An insultingly bad plot.
Worst plot/story in a movie = GOLDFINGER. This film is nothing but a collection of plot holes held together sheerly by Sean Connery's powerful animal magnetism. Pussy Galore saves the day; all Bond does is mod edit some sense into her.
Well it was Bond's final roll of the dice and thanks to his charms it paid off. There was nothing left for Bond to try.
"Nothing but a collection of plot holes.." Nah.
It's amazing the set pieces work as well as they do.
SP & SF both look good that you really can miss the reality that their plots are woven together with nice pictures but not a real coherent story.
@Eiragorn You know, that is a brilliant idea! That way they can still have the brother angle and there is another practical use of the smart blood. I don't know how long you took to think of that but you should be on the writing committee of the next film.
Plot vs worst films.... DAF's plot is worse than SP's plot, but DAF --as a film-- may be better than SP...
SP's plot is pretty sound (just horribly executed); DAF may be the better film (subjectively)...
Now the plot kind of begs the question of why not just wait until all the diamonds get to Blofeld but then you'd have no suspense...