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I think the Brosnan era, after Goldeneye at least, was a little too concerned with box ticking the tropes we have come to associate with the series.
Craig's era has probably, at least for me, gone too far the other way in trying to avoid ticking any of the boxes.
There needs to be a happy medium between the two. This is why I still think Broccoli Jr and Wilson are still a step behind their father when it comes to providing the right direction for Bond.
I'd have loved for NTTD to be a "standalone" or at least for the most part. But okay...
With the next actor they could easily hop back into the standalone format. Love it or hate it, the continuity (messy as it is) is a defining trait of Craig’s run.
Maybe so, but they took it too far with the foster brother thing.
Or maybe they could've made this the "it's personal again" movie and not Spectre.
Make no mistake, Craig's era is great for the most part, but just... why did they do that?
I hate Carver and Graves, which is nothing more than an opinion.
Opinions are what we exchange on forums.
No.
Strangely enough, I liked Renard at the time, but he was like a lovesick puppy by the end of TWINE, which was unfortunate. But I see Elektra as the true villain of that film, anyway.
And quite a, shall we say, charming one. ;)
There is.
I far as I know....all Bond purists hated it!!!
Carver is a totally forgettable wimpy, limp wristed, ‘wet blanket’ of a villain. Tomorrow Never Dies' Elliot Carver was truly a product of his time. He was played by a fantastic actor, yet Jonathan Pryce's villain failed to show any real menace at all in the film. He was a media mogul hellbent on ruling the news world, and it was obvious they loosely based him on Rupert Murdoch. There was also his rather embarrassing Kung-fu display towards the end of the film which is better left forgotten. He is totally unbelievable as Paris Carvers lover....in fact his portrayal seems gay IMO. He’s not as poor as Gustav Graves but he’s up there with the worst in the series.
It's always funny to see people group Renard as a main villain; He is the henchman of the movie a la Jaws and Oddjob, the difference being that they do a lot to characterize him and give context to his relationship with the main villain, Elektra King; Which is why it baffles me when people claim he was underdeveloped, he is the most characterized henchman in the series by a wide margin. I'd argue he is the only henchman with any real value as a character in the entire series.
Absolutely not. What about Red Grant for instance?
Carlyle is a good actor but the Renard role does not have much depth. He's very forgettable and interchangeable.
Red Grant, sure. But my point still stands; They do more to characterize Renard and his relationship to the main villain than any henchman in the series, even when compared to Red Grant.
Would you have accepted him as a main villain?
I think you're meant to up until the reveal during the torture sequence.
No, I meant would you have accepted him as such without Elektra?
That’s because Elektra is the true villain (doubling as the female lead) and Renard is the loyal henchman.
I know, but many others don't see it that way.
Sure; But given his entire plan is dependent on Elektra King, her organization and her ties to MI6, it would change the script quite a bit to remove her from the equation. So much of his character is built around her manipulation; So while I do think he could work as a main villain, it wouldn't work within the script as it is.