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Will Craig's Third Outing be his Goldfinger?

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2011 Posts: 15,723
    But then there are still idiots out there who thinks that DC is not a very good Bond.
    I'm sorry ? Are you calling me an idiot for hating Craig's Bond ? I am flagging your post.
    IMO you are not welcomed here if you are going to call idiots the members who don't follow your views.
  • craigrulescraigrules
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    i think eon regard all bond fans as idiots
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2011 Posts: 15,723
    i think eon regard all bond fans as idiots
    LeChiffre isn't a Bond fan, he is an insult to Bond fans. What's the point in coming to a Bond fan site, where all you are going to do is insult all the members who don't agree with your opinions ?
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    lol

    As someone who kept their powder dry on this I don't really see why a third episode of anyone's tenure should be especially good or anything, it's surely a coincidence above all else

    Was Connery in 1964 at his best for GF?, not really if you think about it, the general consensus is that it's a rather tedious piece of film that never gets off the ground and drags on for the most part with little action or much to keep the viewers interested, Connery's best feature was From Russia With Love, so no 'third best release' evident here

    Can't include Lazenby is this, so,

    Moore and TSWLM, Yes, we have a case here, Rogers favorite of the seven he made, not my own best, but I can see where many people are coming from when they suggest this as the highlight of Moore's 007 tenure

    Dalton, again, goes by the wayside by means of two movies

    Brosnan, and TWINE. For me Brosnans best Bond adventure, but it's only a number, a third movie, just the way it went down, and there are many who feel that either Goldeneye or TND was better so it only works from this end

    Which brings us to Craig and next years expectations

    All I'll say is that this is the one to swing back in Dan's favor, while Casino Royale was lively and entertaining and a step up from the banality of Die Another Day, QOS was a real damp squib and major letdown for some, so he's had one great review, and one scalding from Joe public for the most part and 2012 will show us which direction the series is heading once again.

    There's a lot of hype and all for next winters release and you know with everything involved and from what we know it should be something to behold next year, so therefore it may well be Craig's best 007 to date, whether anyone wants to drag past Bond 3rd entries into it or otherwise

    After the disappointment of three years ago they can only improve

  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    i think eon regard all bond fans as idiots
    LeChiffre isn't a Bond fan, he is an insult to Bond fans. What's the point in coming to a Bond fan site, where all you are going to do is insult all the members who don't agree with your opinions ?

    Sorry you were offended but I find it completely laughable that there is anyone who a: doesn't like Goldfinger and b: doesn't think that Daniel Craig is the best Bond possible.
    I agree that everyone is entitled their opinion and I,m just expressing mine.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2011 Posts: 15,723
    Sorry you were offended but I find it completely laughable that there is anyone who a: doesn't like Goldfinger and b: doesn't think that Daniel Craig is the best Bond possible.
    I agree that everyone is entitled their opinion and I,m just expressing mine.
    Craig is the worst Bond in the franchise by a fair margin. Don't like my opinion ? I couldn't care less. But don't insult me for disagreeing with it. What is laughable and risible are the Craig fans who can't accept that not everyone like him as Bond.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    Sorry you were offended but I find it completely laughable that there is anyone who a: doesn't like Goldfinger and b: doesn't think that Daniel Craig is the best Bond possible.
    I agree that everyone is entitled their opinion and I,m just expressing mine.
    Craig is the worst Bond in the franchise by a fair margin. Don't like my opinion ? I couldn't care less.





    Really makes sense that your user name partially name checks him then! Unless you really are called Craig Dalton! You;ve just lost the battle there mate. You have to be joking with that last remark. No-one in their right mind can think that!

  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    The other guy must be rolling around the floor in hysterics, as I stated above and not for the first time that Goldfinger is not to everyones tastes, it fact (for the last time), it's pretty damn lifeless, AND, I also think Craig is a long distance off from being the best 007 we ever got to see, and he's only been good for one movie, no disrespect but have you ever seen a Connery or Dalton picture

    Not getting involved in minor disputes, as stated everyone is entitled to their opinion
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Sorry you were offended but I find it completely laughable that there is anyone who a: doesn't like Goldfinger and b: doesn't think that Daniel Craig is the best Bond possible.
    I agree that everyone is entitled their opinion and I,m just expressing mine.
    Craig is the worst Bond in the franchise by a fair margin. Don't like my opinion ? I couldn't care less.





    Really makes sense that your user name partially name checks him then! Unless you really are called Craig Dalton! You;ve just lost the battle there mate. You have to be joking with that last remark. No-one in their right mind can think that!

    I love how he's complaining that you hate people who don't follow your views, and then he starts spouting off how his views are more important than yours. Hypocrites are everywhere these days.

    Listen DaltonCraig007, people are entitled to their opinion. He stated his, you stated yours, now let me state mine: I hate hypocrites.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    The other guy must be rolling around the floor in hysterics, as I stated above and not for the first time that Goldfinger is not to everyones tastes, it fact (for the last time), it's pretty damn lifeless, AND, I also think Craig is a long distance off from being the best 007 we ever got to see, and he's only been good for one movie, no disrespect but have you ever seen a Connery or Dalton
    picture

    Not getting involved in minor disputes, as stated everyone is entitled to their opinion



    Fair enough re:Goldfinger. I wouldn;'t say it's lifeless. Big classy theme tune, great villain, henchman, plot,gadgets etc. I think most still regard it as the template for the perfect Bond film along with From Russia. But each to their own.
    Yes, Connery is still the first and best. Dalton was very faithful to Fleming's version although in America he wasn'r so popular as they preferred Moore's humour. Daniel Craig has channeled Dalton's grittier approach and taken it to whole new level. Who cares if he's not 6ft 2 and blonde. The man can act. FACT. Just a warning to those not happy with him. Sam Worthington screen tested back in 2005. Now there's a scary thought if anyone's seen Avator ( I,m sure there are a few!).
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited November 2011 Posts: 14,680
    Being the worst Bond of the six doesn't mean one is a bad Bond. Personally, I think Craig was superb in CR. He'll bring more to the role, just wait and see.

    Oh, and that's just my opinion by the way... :-D
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    Being the worst Bond of the six doesn't mean one is a bad Bond. Personally, I think Craig was superb in CR. He'll bring more to the role, just wait and see.

    Oh, and that's just my opinion by the way... :-D

    Good points well made. I apologise to all who were upset by my earlier comments. I just think Craig is brilliant in the role, 2nd to Connery (just) but I have to accept that not everyone agrees! Any Bond whose makes me feel quite tearful ie Vesper shower and death scenes in CR and Mathis death in QOS, is a pretty fine actor. Yes Lazenby was very good too at the end of OHMSS. Cant remember feeling the same way about any other Bond performance including Connery.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I'm still trying to figure out DaltonCraig007's dislike of Craig. So he's not either Dalton or the beard-Moore he's got for a pic, he's still a good Bond. He brings different qualities to the role.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    There are some ambiguous loose ends, but it's been explained before so I'll look it up in archives another time

    Any dislikes of any Bond actor are from an individuals perspective and not a collective group. My initial reaction of Craig in Royale, were mixed, there was this one corner where I didn't react well to a blue eyed Blond 007, slightly buff, but all respect and everything, he did a good job of it, went back to the late 1980s in terms of a no nonsense approach and all said the picture was a success, if a little inplausible at times. James Bond 007 DOES NOT leap around from tall buildings like Spiderman and do crazy jumps and race around at breakneck speed leaping off 100ft cranes etc, I know we have to move with the times, but there were clearly audible groans from the audience we were with at time of release when we first saw it, it got a bit out of hand sometimes on screen, BUT, Craig did a good job for the most part and brought some realism back. It's a shame that QOS was a letdown, but he'll have a chance to redeem himself next year with everything they are putting together. Any Craig doubters may be in for a surprise.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Okay, outside the PTS, Pussy Galore, and the laser-table scene, GOLDFINGER is a very poor film. Bond is generally incompetent throughout it, spending most of his time in captivity (and when he's free, he's getting bystanders killed) and he has to rely entirely on somebody else to free him at the end and save him from certain death. Otherwise, the film is filled subplots that come out of nowhere and end before they have a resolution (like Jill Masterson - she serves no point to the story and could be removed entirely without affecting anything) and scenes that serve little purpose other than to pad the running time out (and it's already a short film). Goldfinger himself is completely non-threatening and almost as incompetent as Bond (seriously, who builds a prison cell directly beneath the room where he reveals his master plan, and conveniently includes a way for any prisoner to listen in to his schemes?). But most people overlook the flaws in the film simply because of the "Do you expect me to talk?" / "No, Mister Bond, I expect you to die!" exchange, which - while brilliant - does not make up for the rest of the film.
    Exactly! This is just how I feel on the Goldfinger matter. Just thought I'd say that.

    Anyway, yeah, I understand what @TopGearJB007 is getting at. "Third time's the charm" they say, at least with the moviegoing public. For us Bond fans, we tend to differ a lot from the public who hasn't seen any others outside of the "classics". As for me, I think Skyfall will be the Goldfinger for Craig. From what I've been reading and listening to in interviews, it seems to me like this one is under lock and key for reasons. They seem to have a lot riding on this one, and as the producers claim, it will have a lot more action. So maybe so!
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2011 Posts: 15,723


    I love how he's complaining that you hate people who don't follow your views, and then he starts spouting off how his views are more important than yours. Hypocrites are everywhere these days.

    Listen DaltonCraig007, people are entitled to their opinion. He stated his, you stated yours, now let me state mine: I hate hypocrites.
    I'm sorry ? Where did I say my opinion was more important than LeChiffre's ? I just stated my own opinion, saying I am entitled to mine, even if it is radically different than his. You can take your name calling elsewhere, because all I'm doing is trying to make LeChiffre understand that people may have different views than his, and they are perfectly entitled to have such opinions, which in no way are wrong opinions.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    It was your whole tone, pretty much. A little too self-important for me.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    It was your whole tone, pretty much. A little too self-important for me.
    So calling people idiots for not following your opinion is not 'self important' ?

    Anyway... back on topic...

  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
    edited November 2011 Posts: 1,894
    Alright, certain people in this thread need to back off a little bit and find a little bit of composure, because I get the uncomfortable feeling that the fur is about to start flying - and I know from experience that all that will do is spoil it for the rest of us. It's an internet forum. Get over it.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    I might change my user name to CRAIGISBOND. Bit less ambiguous than DaltonCraig in terms of Bond preference. I agree with alot of what Baltimore_007 said earlier re: QOS etc but still think the construction site free running action sequence is amazing and I believeDOES belong in a Bond movie, albeit not a Roger Moore! All 6 audiences that I saw CR with were defo not groaning but each to their own. Hope I havent trampled over your opinion and just expressed mine. If I was going to live on the proverbial desert island and could only take a 2 or 3 Bond movies with me, CR would most certainly be one of them along with FRWL and Goldfinger.
  • LudsLuds MIA
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    Calm down in here, everybody is entitled for their opinions. One thing is for sure, we don't allow personal insults on the forum. You folks might want to review the rules from time to time.

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/1/community-terms-conditions-of-use
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    Agent007391 wrote:
    I guess I could understand people thinking of Goldfinger (it is a little too beloved for me, but I can put that aside) and The Spy Who Loved Me (a good movie all around, with the most famous henchman in the series), but who thinks of The World is Not Enough for Brosnan? Even when it was new, nobody thought of TWINE.

    I think it's meant to be what it attempts or aspires to be, rather than whether it necessarily succeeds in being so

  • Risico007Risico007
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    I loved Casino Royale.

    I thought Quantum of Solace was just as amazing (i still debate which one is better).


    I have a feeling Skyfall will be even better.


    that said doing a Fleming title for bond 24 would be quite nice.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    Risico007 wrote:
    I thought Quantum of Solace was just as amazing (i still debate which one is better).

    I wouldn't say that, but I do enjoy QoS over many other Bonds. It has a high entertainment value for me. Same with Goldfinger: its slow, but I'm always entertained when I watch it. The same goes for QoS.
  • TracyTracy
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    Successful....yes

    On GF or TB scale in terms of money.....I doubt it.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Y'know, it's kind of amazing how different all our feelings are toward Goldfinger.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited November 2011 Posts: 6,601
    Just in all calmness - ALWAYS wondered, why anybody would choose a name like Dalton CRAIG, when he hates the man. Guess it doesn't make much sense and never did. He was always a hater, which is fine, but one might wonder, what gave him THAT idea @-) It must be dreadful for him here...


    LeChiffre isn't a Bond fan, he is an insult to Bond fans. What's the point in coming to a Bond fan site, where all you are going to do is insult all the members who don't agree with your opinions ?


    I could ask, what is the point of coming here hating on the current Bond? Same thing, yes?..and its not, that YOUR language is terribly respectful either.

    But to be fair, its as over the top to claim, its the most normal thing to put DC down as the best in everybodies mind. Nobody is, not even Connery...
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2011 Posts: 15,723
    Germanlady wrote:
    Just in all calmness - ALWAYS wondered, why anybody would choose a name like Dalton CRAIG, when he hates the man. Guess it doesn't make much sense and never did. He was always a hater, which is fine, but one might wonder, what gave him THAT idea @-) It must be dreadful for him here...

    I defended Craig from the moment he was cast... loved him in Layer Cake, really was excited for CR... But then once the new factor was worn out, I started liking his Bond films less and less...
    Germanlady wrote:
    I could ask, what is the point of coming here hating on the current Bond?

    Rubbish. So because I hate the current Bond I shouldn't come here ? Craig only made 2 films, so I guess hating 2 films out of the 22 means I hate the entire franchise. What about those who hate Moore ? That's 7 films, nearly a third of the franchise that they hate. Should they be banned from coming here ? What a load of pure nonsensical rubbish you've just said. The Craig fanboys just makes me laugh more and more. Why can't you accept that some people may not like him as Bond ? Your arguments are becoming more and more risible and laughable. The mentality of the Craig loverboys is just more and more hilarious. They are at the point that they want to ban anyone who doesn't like Craig... Pathetic.

    People who love 18 out of 22 movies should be banned from Bond forums just because they hate the 2 petty little films of the current Bond ? What nonsense is that ?

    Well then, I say that anyone who doesn't like Roger Moore as Bond should be removed from this site...
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited November 2011 Posts: 6,601
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:

    Bullsh*t. So because I hate the current Bond I shouldn't come here ? Craig only made 2 films, so I guess hating 2 films out of the 22 means I hate the entire franchise. What about those who hate Moore ? That's 7 films, nearly a third of the franchise that they hate. Should they be banned from coming here ? What a load of pure nonsensical rubbish you've just said. .

    Here goes the respect and being nice again. Funny, that YOU felt offended by LeChiffre. But I guess, being polite doesn't go for you, just the others.

    Well then, I say that anyone who doesn't like Roger Moore as Bond should be removed from this site..

    By no means did I say, they SHOULD be banned, I just wondered about the reason for those people, who will not be pleased, never mind what and who never tire of telling the world.
    ..and it must occur to you, that there is a difference in liking or hating a Bond actor long gone.




  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2011 Posts: 15,723
    Germanlady wrote:
    and it must occur to you, that there is a difference in liking or hating a Bond actor long gone.

    There isn't a difference. Being the current doesn't mean everyone should be forced to worship him. There are many members here who hated DAD when Brosnan was the current Bond... should they have been banned as well ? Your 'argument' is just rubbish. Why should anyone be forced to love the current Bond if they don't like him ? The Craig fans are grasping at straws. Is the latest argument that no-one should be allowed to hate the current Bond ?
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