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This.
All we really need as fans is for it to be successful enough for them to make the next one.
A great Bond film that I love that does big box office. Maybe the best mission ever. And who doesn't enjoy OO7 being #1 for the week.
Best things is that you take what you think is inportent for you or your health.
About QOS there lie a lot. DAD and SF are over rated.
With Spectre writers and eon over looking things and the media too. With now waiting longer then ever, you can quistion why Spectre filming stop is not been delayd and have released the movie in December 2015. Stil i think there can fix brother thing.
Overrated by who?
Good point didn't knew about that. I am still keeping my hopes high for next entry.
Ahahahahahahah :)) QoS was regarded much worse than SPECTRE yet the film after that surpassed the 1 billion mark :))
QOS earned 168 million domestically and that too in 2008/SF earned 304 million/ SP 200 million. Bond25 is releasing 4 years after SP and 8 years after skyfall. Most people underestimate bond's box office domination.Yes this film will have some bad effects from SP but not that much considering it's Craig's last.
What is most likely, based off the last 4 Craig films (bar SF, which was a phenomenon and anomaly), is around 24m viewers (butts on seats) stateside. Whatever that translates into given 2020 average ticket prices is a reasonable starting point estimate for US gross, and is likely what they are targeting. Anything less will probably be seen as a disappointment. There is a cap on what a spy film can achieve in the US.
The foreign gross is trickier to estimate because it will be impacted by currency effects and changes in the marketplace since SP was released (including much increased gross in Asian and Latin American markets vs. Europe). Universal's prowess will come into play here. The foreign gross for B25 should actually be higher than previous entries, because it is a market which is constantly expanding (witness the MI films, which have benefited from this, as has Bond).
I think the this fact alone will likely ensure a gross of around that figure. Potentially throwing in a potential Golden Globe winner as the villain and a cracking PR campaign on top of that, and it's a sure thing.
It's worth keeping in mind how much different this film will likely be perceived by audiences compared to other Bond films - and it has nothing to do with SP. I don't think there's ever been this sort of common knowledge of "this is X's last Bond film" in the series before. Many people won't give a toss about SP.
Just look at Logan. That film had a huge risk attached to it in many different ways. They finally got an R-rating and it wasn't a "save the world" type superhero film. But most people knew it was going to be Jackman's last time in the role, the film played to that and it was a huge success as a result.
If Eon find a way to "big up" that it's Craig's last film without giving off the impression that it's THE LAST BOND FILM, they'll rake it in.
Despite what people on here may say, Craig is still popular as hell as Bond and the four year gap hasn't changed that.
SF was a big player globally. Excluding it’s domestic numbers, it made $804,200,736. That’s almost as much as SP’s entire run.
Bond only needs to net $200m domestically to be considered a success. The real money is in international sales. Especially as China’s audience has increased tenfold since 2015.
Bond 25 should hopefully be able to top Mission Impossible: Fallout’s $570,858,348. If Bond posted this number it would be disappointment, especially since Spectre made $680,600,000 internationally.
I think for Bond 25 to be considered a resounding success it needs to make $700m internationally and £200m domestically for a final tally of $900+ gross. However, if the film only makes $650-750m it would still be successful, but the narrative would be less favourable in entertainment trade circles.
Though if Bond 25 was to underperform it may be beneficial for the franchise reboot for Bond 26. There you’d have a clean slate (new actor, director, studio) and the narrative would be about rejuvenating the brand. Which is always a favourable story to tell and one the public love………
As well as strong initial appraisal from critics, strong word of mouth, and the fact it was a good film.
I do feel on this forum there is a tendency for some people to look for reasons, other than the actual quality of the film, to explain why Skyfall made so much money. Public mood, lack of competition, the Summer Olympics, alignment of stars, a particularly wet autumn causing people to head indoors, a sharp rise in guns held to peoples heads, whatever.
And at the same time try to find every excuse under the sun as to why something like LTK failed to make much of an impact on the box office.
Bad publicity, too much competition, someone forgot to tell the Americans the film had been released, alignment of stars, a very hot Summer driving people outdoors.
Some of this may be true of course, but if Skyfall had been so terrible, then word of mouth would have driven it to ground very quickly.
This is also somewhat of a miss-conception too. The Transformers franchise has shown that widely panned films both by critics and moviegoers alike can cross $1 billion at the box office.
Yes, I always see The Transformers franchise wheeled out as the perfect counter argument to my comment.
Having never seen these films I'm unable to argue against it, but I would guess that a series based on a kids show and toy range would perhaps find a certain audience, regardless of quality? A bit like Pokémon The Movie did perhaps?
Like I say I don't know, but in general I would think that a Bond film panned by critics and panned by movie audiences would still make a profit, but never as much as Skyfall did. Had it been hated it would have lost momentum.
SF was a perfect storm. A confluence of factors. It was the 'Thriller' of the Bond franchise. It would be unwise to expect lightning to strike twice though, and particularly in quick succession (in terms of releases). These sorts of films which hit a high mark with audiences and critics normally stay at the top of the pile for some time. It's almost like they have to burn their way out of the public's (and critic's) consciousness, and that takes a while.
SF was certainly not hated at the time of release. I'd say quite the opposite actually. IT was lauded. It will be interesting to see what the one 'global' release date of Feb 14th will mean for critics, because in the past Bond films have 'basked' in glowing British reviews prior to hitting the US market two weeks later. In the case of SF, the trickle down effect worked wonders, but in the case of SP, the opposite happened (many US critics blasted the film).
SP's success and critical reception really doesn't matter at all. As long as Bond 25 turns out to be a good movie, it'll take in the $$. If it turns out to be a great movie, we can have a serious discussion about it joining the $Billion club. It's Bond for crying out loud. It'll always perform better than MI money wise and if Aquaman can be THIS close to making a Billion, Bond 25 has every chance of doing the same.
At a complete guess I'd put it around 780 - 90, and that's being generous.
I think many around here are putting far to much stock into "Craig's last Bond film" being a box office draw. I really don't think that's a factor because Bond has had many popular incarnations in the past and will do in the future. There has never been anyone who has played Wolverine in a big budget movie before other than Hugh Jackman. The role is iconic to him and only him. Same with Harrison Ford and Indiana Jones. Craig is just another actor to play a popular character. If it weren't for the fact that SF made a billion then there would be no reason to believe that Bond 25 has a chance at 800 million. But people didn't go and see SF in droves because they loved Craig they went because they loved Skyfall. Word of mouth for the movie itself is what made it a phenomenon. It was, as others point out, lightening in a bottle. But now apparently not only is it possible to replicate that success, but we should expect it from a film which we don't even know the cast of yet, or a filming location? I think we're getting ahead of ourselves, because understandable fans of a franchis want the next film to be good, so they start to convince themselves that it will be good, but there is a danger in building expectations too high.
I did exactly the same, which is where I learned lessons. Trouble is now I the same mistakes being made.
I honestly think it will be difficult in China, because the type of film Craig makes doesn't translate well. I think the Brosnan films would have slain it over there had the market been anywhere near the size it is now.
I also think a Brosnan style Bond film would be very popular in the Chinese market today, given their interest in the FF franchise and other more lighter action oriented fare like MI.
I never expected SP to get past SF but I did expected at least 1 Billion and it was before I watched SP nevertheless it was 120 million short,Yes it's too early to say if bond25 could get past SF but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the potential. I am keeping my hopes up because Bond25 can't be worse than SP imho.
Literally nobody who knows what they're talking about will say that.
And I don't think there's "too much stock" being put into it being Craig's last. It's a pretty big hinge that could work wonders if it's used right. And yes, all the Bonds were popular, but nobody really knew when their last film was going to be their last. And that is a fundamental key difference whether you're a fan of Craig or not. The point of "all the Bonds being popular so this won't be any better than those" isn't really relevant at all in general really either, considering how different the box office works now compared to, say, even ten years ago.
In the current climate $750-800million is very feasible. MI managed it. No reason why Bond can't, regardless of the previous films critical reception.
It could all go tits up, for sure. Anything's possible, nothing is for certain. But there's far more reason to believe it'll do well than it won't.