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NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
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    They should’ve increased the role of Nomi in this film. Maybe then the box office of the USA would be higher.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    It’s insanely overlong for a Bond film.

    A long Bond film is what most fans wanted. But then alot of cinema goers aren't likely to follow Bond as closely as we do.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    Posts: 727
    Americans nowadays don’t watch anything unless there is a prominent black woman in it.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    @Benjamin_Weekly69 ??????
    Makes no sense.
  • Matt007Matt007
    Posts: 1,314
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    Americans nowadays don’t watch anything unless there is a prominent black woman in it.

    Paranoia much?
  • jobojobo
    edited October 2021 Posts: 7,507
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    Americans nowadays don’t watch anything unless there is a prominent black woman in it.

    If your theory was right, they'd love NTTD as there is a prominent black lady in it.
  • MrsAuralSectsMrsAuralSects
    Posts: 214
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    Americans nowadays don’t watch anything unless there is a prominent black woman in it.

    There wasn't any in Black Widow

  • bondsumbondsum
    edited October 2021 Posts: 3,333
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Opening after Venom hurt it at the US BO. Initial numbers don't look great but not terrible. Venom is not a good movie but is at least entertaining and trim at only 90 minutes. NTTD is way too long to make steady money, as theaters will start taking away showings as time goes along without big numbers to justify its place in line.

    With the competition coming up I doubt it will reach much more than 120 domestically. Will it hit 500 elsewhere? Maybe. A grand total of around 600 seems possible but not not likely.
    I'm not sure Venom hurt NTTD's opening weekend. It's certainly shown that people are willing to go back into the cinema again even if the movie isn't that good, so the pandemic can't really be used as an excuse for the movie coming in at the low end of expectations. I think it's the Hollywood Reporter that says the US audience is mostly fueled by older adults, so it's not like those who fear Covid are staying away.
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    It’s insanely overlong for a Bond film.
    The long runtime and Bond's 8-X probably has more to do with why NTTD is not meeting industry expectations.
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
    Posts: 1,092
    bondsum wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Opening after Venom hurt it at the US BO. Initial numbers don't look great but not terrible. Venom is not a good movie but is at least entertaining and trim at only 90 minutes. NTTD is way too long to make steady money, as theaters will start taking away showings as time goes along without big numbers to justify its place in line.

    With the competition coming up I doubt it will reach much more than 120 domestically. Will it hit 500 elsewhere? Maybe. A grand total of around 600 seems possible but not not likely.
    I'm not sure Venom hurt NTTD's opening weekend. It's certainly shown that people are willing to go back into the cinema again even if the movie isn't that good, so the pandemic can't really be used as an excuse for the movie coming in at the low end of expectations. I think it's the Hollywood Reporter that says the US audience is mostly fueled by older adults, so it's not like those who fear Covid are staying away.
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    It’s insanely overlong for a Bond film.
    The long runtime and Bond's 8-X probably has more to do with why NTTD is not meeting industry expectations.

    It hurt in that Venom is competition and takes away not only movie-goers but total theaters. Many people walk in not knowing what they want to watch and just choose whatever is there. Venom is a shorter, easier to follow action film and a lot of normies don't really see the difference; they are both the same thing.

    Seriously, without Venom taking 32 million, that's money that might have gone to NTTD if it had otherwise not been option for these folks.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Venom clearly did some damage to Bond. And in two weeks Dune comes out as well. It looks like NTTD’s domestic run will be just extremely disappointing.
  • bondsumbondsum
    edited October 2021 Posts: 3,333
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    It hurt in that Venom is competition and takes away not only movie-goers but total theaters. Many people walk in not knowing what they want to watch and just choose whatever is there. Venom is a shorter, easier to follow action film and a lot of normies don't really see the difference; they are both the same thing.

    Seriously, without Venom taking 32 million, that's money that might have gone to NTTD if it had otherwise not been option for these folks.
    If you say so. But the critical response is that Venom Carnage isn't that good a movie, certainly not when compared to NTTD. Though US audiences would tend to disagree. I do take your point about Venom being a shorter runtime but I don't think that's the whole picture.
    matt_u wrote: »
    Venom clearly did some damage to Bond. And in two weeks Dune comes out as well. It looks like NTTD’s domestic run will be just extremely disappointing.
    Doesn't Dune have a similar runtime to NTTD? And surely using the same logic, NTTD would hurt Dune's opening weekend.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Venom clearly did some damage to Bond. And in two weeks Dune comes out as well. It looks like NTTD’s domestic run will be just extremely disappointing.

    I could be wrong, but I can’t imagine that movie grabbing audiences. It looks so dull and its lead actor always appears to have a bored expression on his face that makes him less enduring. It wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out to be one of the biggest flops this year.

    But I could be wrong.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    I don't think it's a quality versus quality thing, nor do numbers necessarily indicate quality. Fast 9 is, quite objectively, pretty bad, but it ticks the appropriate boxes for popcorn fare and casual enjoyment.

    On top of that, superhero films outdoing Bond is nothing new. I don't think it's reflective of anything about the film if it doesn't reach Skyfall levels of success.
  • MrsAuralSectsMrsAuralSects
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    Venom did not hurt Bond. A large chunk of Venom's target audience is a different demographic that goes to see MARVEL movies en masse, and they turned out. A lot of Bond fans have not ventured into cinemas even though they want to see the film.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Sadly the cinema was pretty bare when I saw NTTD. Maybe two other couples were present. Far less than when I saw LTK in '89.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I was surprised the very first showing I went to only had 10 or so other people in attendance.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Sadly the cinema was pretty bare when I saw NTTD. Maybe two other couples were present. Far less than when I saw LTK in '89.

    If it's any consolation, the cinema was packed both times I saw it (and then some). Ontario's vaccine requirements do not seem to have deterred cinemagoers, at least locally.
  • bondsumbondsum
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    Ryan wrote: »
    I don't think it's a quality versus quality thing, nor do numbers necessarily indicate quality. Fast 9 is, quite objectively, pretty bad, but it ticks the appropriate boxes for popcorn fare and casual enjoyment.

    On top of that, superhero films outdoing Bond is nothing new. I don't think it's reflective of anything about the film if it doesn't reach Skyfall levels of success.
    I do get where you're coming from, but are you implying that Bond is no longer seen as popcorn fare and casual enjoyment for American audiences? I mean, I've watched quite a few of the recent Fast 9 movies at the cinema and they are dumb entertainment, but they're still very entertaining and tend to end on a superficial high.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    I don't think it's a quality versus quality thing, nor do numbers necessarily indicate quality. Fast 9 is, quite objectively, pretty bad, but it ticks the appropriate boxes for popcorn fare and casual enjoyment.

    On top of that, superhero films outdoing Bond is nothing new. I don't think it's reflective of anything about the film if it doesn't reach Skyfall levels of success.
    I do get where you're coming from, but are you implying that Bond is no longer seen as popcorn fare and casual enjoyment for American audiences? I mean, I've watched quite a few of the recent Fast 9 movies at the cinema and they are dumb entertainment, but they're still very entertaining and tend to end on a superficial high.

    Not at all. I think it's just a different animal these days. Bond this time around is nearly a three hour, story heavy experience with a tragic ending versus a couple of hours of light entertainment.

    I just meant that it slightly underperforming at the North American box office isn't necessarily indicative of its quality. Bond is clearly not as popular with American audiences as the superhero craze is, and that's perfectly okay.
  • bondsumbondsum
    Posts: 3,333
    Ryan wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    I don't think it's a quality versus quality thing, nor do numbers necessarily indicate quality. Fast 9 is, quite objectively, pretty bad, but it ticks the appropriate boxes for popcorn fare and casual enjoyment.

    On top of that, superhero films outdoing Bond is nothing new. I don't think it's reflective of anything about the film if it doesn't reach Skyfall levels of success.
    I do get where you're coming from, but are you implying that Bond is no longer seen as popcorn fare and casual enjoyment for American audiences? I mean, I've watched quite a few of the recent Fast 9 movies at the cinema and they are dumb entertainment, but they're still very entertaining and tend to end on a superficial high.

    Not at all. I think it's just a different animal these days. Bond this time around is nearly a three hour, story heavy experience with a tragic ending versus a couple of hours of light entertainment.

    I just meant that it slightly underperforming at the North American box office isn't necessarily indicative of its quality. Bond is clearly not as popular with American audiences as the superhero craze is, and that's perfectly okay.
    Yes, I take your point about the superhero craze being more popular, even Venom, which isn't really part of the MCU. It does seem like a huge oversight on the part of the studio and the producers if a near 3-hour movie could be seen as detrimental to its important US domestic haul. It's almost the total reverse of QoS, which had a much shorter runtime and that too underperformed. I just want to be clear, it's not me that's saying NTTD has come in on the low end of expectations. It's the Hollywood industry and publications that make these forecasts. Whereas the MI movies have been steadily gaining ticket sales with more frequency, the Bond movies have been shrinking further since its SF peak with fewer movie releases.
  • bondywondybondywondy Uk
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    If killing off Bond was a factor in the lower US box office then Eon and Daniel Craig have to take some of the blame. There was a week of spoilers online before the US release!

    Killing off Bond was a moronic decision. Barbara and MG should have said "no" to Craig. Instead we got a dead Bond that may or may not be alive in three or more years time. The continuity is messed up. Oh well. Just seemed an own goal by Eon. 😏
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    So NTTD looks to be number one at the US box office straight out of the gate.

    Not always the case. Things happen.

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  • RyanRyan Canada
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    I remember that all too well. The "Blonde Bond" getting defeated by penguins on the first weekend. The "Craig Not Bond" brigade sure had a field day with that one.
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
    Posts: 1,329
    "Stop talking about American things and let's watch the best film ever made!"
  • MrsAuralSectsMrsAuralSects
    edited October 2021 Posts: 214
    13 oz popcorn tub available at some cinemas. old date still on it but who cares, it can hold the popcorn

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,904
    Seems it's all a matter of perspective.
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    Mission Completed: James Bond
    Opens #1 At Box Office
    https://www.channelnews.com.au/mission-completed-james-bond-opens-1-at-box-office/
    No Time To Die, the latest film in the James Bond franchise has enjoyed an impressive opening weekend, generating $56 million USD to open as America’s top film in theatres.
    The MGM flick fell well short of the $90 million debut Venom: Let There Be Carnage enjoyed the previous weekend. It also fell short of industry estimates of $84 million.

    Still, this is all very good news for the flailing cinema industry, and proof that the big blockbusters will still draw a theatre audience.
    “This is the first real movie that was served up for the adult audience in quite some time,” Erik Lomis, president of distribution at United Artists Releasing told Bloomberg, explaining how a survey showed that a quarter of the audience were seeing their first film at the cinema since the beginning of the pandemic.

    DCisared wrote: »
    "Stop talking about American things and let's watch the best film ever made!"
    Fair enough, I'll see you there @DCisared!

  • sworddevil1sworddevil1 USA
    Posts: 526
    I’m in the states, and here’s my take from reports here:
    1) Many places (states) are still pandemic weary or in pandemic mode. Cases are down, but it will have an affect on older audiences for sure.
    2) Spoilers. The big one is out, and I assure you, it is NOT helping the US box office. As someone said, you need an international release date (that’s uniform) and go at it.
    Note on 1): I do think that in the coming weeks numbers will be steady, and play out like Casino Royale. Probably very similar numbers.
  • MrsAuralSectsMrsAuralSects
    edited October 2021 Posts: 214
    sworddevil1 wrote:
    Note on 1): I do think that in the coming weeks numbers will be steady, and play out like Casino Royale. Probably very similar numbers.

    Next weekend will be the biggest indicator of that. CR didn't lose much in its second frame. And Bond's biggest competition will be the new Halloween movie. Hoping Bond goes past 100m by this time next week in the US...

  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    edited October 2021 Posts: 727
    bondywondy wrote: »
    If killing off Bond was a factor in the lower US box office then Eon and Daniel Craig have to take some of the blame. There was a week of spoilers online before the US release!

    Killing off Bond was a moronic decision. Barbara and MG should have said "no" to Craig. Instead we got a dead Bond that may or may not be alive in three or more years time. The continuity is messed up. Oh well. Just seemed an own goal by Eon. 😏

    Remember when the death of Ironman deferred the domestic box office of Endgame? Oh wait.
  • MrsAuralSectsMrsAuralSects
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    If killing off Bond was a factor in the lower US box office then Eon and Daniel Craig have to take some of the blame.

    Why would it be a factor in the US and no where else where Bond's BO is doing well?



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