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I think not..too many people just quoting the original silly article by mi6..unfortunately it's affected how many fans see the movie and has been picked up by other websites .
The original article from MI6 HQ that claimed NTTD needs to earn $928m to break even was clickbait too.
Long before that article, they wrote about the films budget and said, "Just because a budget is $200m though, does not mean that $200m was spent to make the film. This is the cost the production would incur if they had to pay for everything. In reality, tax credits and product placements quickly whittle the real number down."
But a few months ago, that story changed and there was no more talk of the quoted budget being whittled down. It was just clickbait.
I think it's quite unfair to call the film a "flop". People are still hesitant about going to the theatre. COVID has simply made it impossible to reach for Avengers money these days. The word "flop" hints at a severe lack of quality, while this film is just another casualty of a worldwide crisis.
Well, yeah. Probably because a few months ago they found out $1 million a month was being paid to keep the film on the shelf until it was deemed safe to distribute. I don't know how one whittles that number down, but whatever.
No, they added that million a month to an unadjusted budget estimate. It was dishonest.
This is all guess work.
The MI6 article. What's your source that it's not the truth?
Quite obviously. Members here have been quoted as saying "if the film tanked, I would be happy!"...
The article you're referring to ("Risky Business") quotes the budget of the film as 199.5 million pounds. They start there, add pandemic-related costs (about 25 million), make some generalizations, and land on a $928m break-even point.
In the very same article, they link back to another of their older articles that says the 199.5 million pound figure is not "the real number". Do you not see any kind of problem here? Do you apply any discernment or skepticism to what you read?
Nobody here is privy to how this film is funded and therefore whether the film is ultimately a flop or not...but because of this original article..they make claims..
Yep. They’re idiots. Plain and simple.
I was just asking for people to present something refuting the MI6 article estimate other than "it's silly" or "it's dishonest."
I already showed you. I quoted a different MI6 article that says 199.5 million pounds is not actually what had to be paid for the film. Then your MI6 article says it is.
But really, it just takes a lick of common sense to see the problems with the "Risky Business" article.
Agreed.
DAD was instrumental in gettin Casino royale. I’ll take that any day
They’re so far down the outrage rabbit hole that they’ve doubled down on it regardless of how logical it is.
1) the film failed to make big $$$ overnight, so it's a flop and therefore a bad film;
2) "I have read most Fleming books and they don't kill Bond, therefore this film sucks."
I got up, shrugged my shoulders, and left the theater. That's been my reaction to the Craig era for the last three movies.
Exactly
I agree with you on this. Flop is probably not the best term. And I apologize for posting about box office on the new thread spoilers; still kinda new at this. On track now. But, I would say that it has underperformed. Wouldn’t that be a fair statement? I don’t see how Venom could outdo Bond. It wasn’t in any of the projections that I saw. I think a lot of people, like myself, are really just disappointed by the ending. Spoilers are all over the place. As I said earlier: the US economy is not great right now ($3.29 average gas, inflation wild), and that may have impacted it too. This film should still do at least $900 million (just to beak even). If it gets to $700, that’s pretty good for Covid. Did it flop in the US? I think the answer is definitely yes. And for the first time since watching Bond, I wasn’t rooting for it to do well at the box office. I do t want it to do poorly, but I don’t care if it does either. Initially, I probably did want it to fail hard. But this film has brought out extreme negativity from a lot of fans. Had to expect that.
Ok here is the difference...
The likes of Venom 2 and Halloween Kills are in profit now.
NTTD is still ( despite the amount it has made right now ) several hundred million in the red.It has not made any net profit yet.
So what?
So what if Venom outperformed NTTD in America and in its opening weekend? You are just looking everywhere for "facts" that may help you build a strong case against NTTD.
But you are sounding like a broken record, @sworddevil1. We know you don't like the ending. We have been treated to the same rants in several threads now. So I'd say duly noted, now please give it a rest. Some of us would like to discuss the film without having to take these silly stabs about what a film makes in the weirdest times since WWII all the time. Either come up with something new, or make a valid point for a change. It's okay to admit you don't like a film. Just don't pretend you can "prove" it's a bad film, because you can't.
And because I like banging on about it, if you think the film is several hundred million in the red, you need to read anonymous online analysis more critically.
This.
But the haters just want to shit all over the BO and says it's a flop. Some will go on youtube and start bitching about woke this and woke that when the truth is, the movie has done well outside the US. If the US prefers Marvel movies, whatever.